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Why did obi-wan let him self die when he was battling against Darth Vader?  

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  1. 1. Why did obi-wan let him self die when he was battling against Darth Vader?

    • To help luke exscape?
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    • To make luke really sad?
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    • no reason just fighting?
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    • Just trying to be dubm?
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Relenzo2 Newbie

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Then Obi-Wan sees (either through deduction or perhaps visions from the force, who can tell with these jedi ;)) that Luke is vital to helping Anakin fulfill his destiny. So Obi-Wan knows that he cannot kill Vader, or he cannot bring balance to the force. Furthermore, as a spirit he will be able to help Luke become a jedi and turn Vader back to the light.

 

That is... brilliant! I did not think of that!

Of course Obi-Wan had to fight Vader to get Luke out of here. After all, Episdode IV is called "A New Hope" After Luke! But who says he let Vader win? He's an old man right now, so Vader could have beat him there fair and square. But it's true he wouldn't be too worried about dying, because he could help Luke plenty. And maybe he thought/knew he couldn't kill Vader. Right before he dies, he's closing his eyes and smiling. I think it's possible he joined the Force the second before Vader would have struck the killing blowl.

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I think Obi-Wan realised there could be no victory against Vader after their first fight. They fought almost to a stalemate at Mustafar, and if he hadn't gotten the high ground, he wouldn't have won.

 

And his death wasn't important by the time of his second duel, because he'd learned how to become a Force Spirit.

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If Obi-Wan hadn't died, then, there are chances Luke could've died. I don't think that Ben could speak telepathically with Luke, so, he couldn't have made the shot that destroyed the Death Star, (iirc) Luke wouldn't have used the Force to get the saber, and probably would've become a Wampa's meal.

But, that all depends on if Obi-Wan could reach out telepathically.

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Since people don't see to care how old this thread is... answer:

 

Then Obi-Wan sees (either through deduction or perhaps visions from the force, who can tell with these jedi ;)) that Luke is vital to helping Anakin fulfill his destiny. So Obi-Wan knows that he cannot kill Vader, or he cannot bring balance to the force. Furthermore, as a spirit he will be able to help Luke become a jedi and turn Vader back to the light.

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Luke and Liea were the only hope to defeat the Emporer, since they had given up on Vader.

 

Luke would have never left if Obi-wan was still alive, by sacrificing himself, Luke no longer had a reason to stay (except revenge), and Kenobi was able to guide him via his spirit to leave.

 

It is true that Obi-wan had become more powerful, because now he could help Luke without being encumbered by his living body.

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In literature, the "mentor figure" passing on is a common theme (It happens to Luke again with Yoda, and it happened to Obi-Wan with Qui-Gon... the fact that it doesn't happen to Anakin until he's Vader in RotJ may be why he isn't redeemed until then).

 

 

Since Lucas draws upon many old stories and themes in the Star Wars movies, I think it's fair to say that Obi-Wan just "had to go."

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One of the Jedi tenants is self sacrifice. Obi-Wan wanted to show Luke that the world was bigger than himself. Using and mastering the force does make you powerful, but it is meaningless without the sense of humility. Luke was only focusing on himself while on Tatooine. Obi-Wan wanted to show him a world in need, and only those who are selfless can overcome darkness and opression.

 

"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"

Obi-Wan knew he would become something more, and the definition of power was not through the force. If he didn't let Vader kill him, Obi-Wan's lessons to Luke would not have made an impact. Obi-Wan embodied the essence of all the Jedi before him, and he ultimately became a symbol in the fight against darkness and evil.

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well put Yar-el, Obi-wan was the embodiment of what it meant to be a Jedi, regardless of the Order he so valiantly followed, he battled insurmountable odds to maintain the Old republic, and planted the seed's of the new, even without the Prequels It always seems in his character to sacrifice himself for the sake of Luke's Training and the Return of the Jedi

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well put Yar-el, Obi-wan was the embodiment of what it meant to be a Jedi, regardless of the Order he so valiantly followed, he battled insurmountable odds to maintain the Old republic, and planted the seed's of the new, even without the Prequels It always seems in his character to sacrifice himself for the sake of Luke's Training and the Return of the Jedi
Yep. Obi-Wan and Yoda took the first steps by hidding Luke and Leia. Obi-Wan started Luke's training, Yoda filled in the blanks, and Luke's experiences helped him become a Jedi Knight. All the hopes and teachings of the Jedi were placed onto one person. Once Yoda and Obi-Wan had passed on, Luke was responsible for reconstituting the Jedi. Obi-Wan gave him an impossible task, but he was able to turn the darkest Sith towards the light. He was going to sacrifice himself to do so, and Obi-Wan planted that seed at the very beginning. (symbolism) Connection to Vader was critical. Obi-Wan knew that only family could overcome the thick cloud of the darkside. Fighting Vader as a Jedi alone would not help. There needed to be a connection. Obi-Wan never gave up on Anikan, but he did give up reasoning with Vader. It showed at the end of Revenge of the The Sith. Obi-Wan saw no hope for Vader, but he did see hope for Anikan. Don't fight against the machine, but fight for the man within.

 

While writting this post, I keep replaying the Knights of the Old Republic theme song. I believe its called Bastilla's theme song. I'm not sure.

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