wassup Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=1&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_re_eu/spain_bombings_5 http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/11/spain.blasts/index.html For the sake of those lost, please stay on topic, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Whoa, you mean Bush's war on terror failed? DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 comiserations to the families of all who were lost ... Despite what GW may want you to think, it is not realistic to think that all terrorism will be eradicated in the world if you could track down the likes of Bin Laden.... as long as there is social and economic inequality in the world, there will always be the potential for such violent acts.... that would be the better way to combat these pronlems, to address these inequalities, rather than throwing 150,000 troops at a middle eastern nation with 90%of the population living in poverty.... dear oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverhoodian Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Yes, I am aware that terrorism is a global problem that must be dealt with. My deepest condolences go to the friends and families of victims from every terrorist attack. However, I don't think we'll ever see a world free from terrorism. If the United States is going to follow George W. Bush's pledge to rid the world of terrorism, we must face the hard fact that the U.S. would have to fight until the sun explodes and earth is utterly deviod of any life. (if mankind even survives that long) It just can't be done. As Astrotoy said, there will always be terrorists in areas of the world that suffer from poverty and strife. There will always be individuals who will oppress others and sow the seeds of discontent and hatred, two primary ingredients for forming terrorist groups. It's hard to accept, but terrorism will always be a problem, and the world can't stop it entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshot Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 They've taken countless innocent lives for too long! There's been news on my personal home page about another possible US threat from those Al-Qaeda bastards. Why don't they just come out of hiding and surrender like the worthless little scumbags they are? They can try their scare tactics and threaten us all they like. Fear only makes us stronger, and strengthens our resolve to capture or kill that soulless mofo Bin Laden. The only 'god' Osama and those other scared losers worship is the devil himself. They prey upon the weak and innocent. They feed upon our fears like flies drinking nuclear waste. They are without mercy. They have no honor. They will pay for the sins they committed. They deserve the ultimate punishment. Terrorism may be a problem that can't be stopped entirely, but there are warriors willing to fight against terrorists in order to defend humanity, justice, and the rights of the innocent to live and walk on this green earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 ....flys eat nuclear waste? Anyways, there will always be terroism. As long as their are victims, their will be terroists. And believe me, there are plenty of innocent people that will become victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshot Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by ZBomber ....flys eat nuclear waste? Anyways, there will always be terroism. As long as their are victims, their will be terroists. And believe me, there are plenty of innocent people that will become victims. As the saying goes:"There can be no good without evil." As for the thing about the flies and the nuclear waste, imagine flies hovering over and nesting in a landfill covered in nothing but 100 billion tons of stinking garbage, and I think you'll get the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by topshot As the saying goes:"There can be no good without evil." As for the thing about the flies and the nuclear waste, imagine flies hovering over and nesting in a landfill covered in nothing but 100 billion tons of stinking garbage, and I think you'll get the picture. And what a fine picture it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshot Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by ZBomber And what a fine picture it is. Yeah. As for the rest of that, fear is the nuclear waste, and terrorists are the flies who feed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 LIBRAL POINTLESS BUSH HATERS! There, i've stated my opinion, I am never posting in this thread again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid_Allanon Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 So what if Osama's caught, really? Think about it, it's been a long time since 9/11, and Osama hasn't even striked at all, at least, not those big terrorism acts. So it makes no difference if Osama's caught. More terrorism leaders will merely surface, and take over Osama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 it's a moral issue for them, osama is for em like..the ideal. If he gets caught they will no longer think they're unstoppable, but what results it could have? Who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 'sfar as I know, Osama is not only causing terrorism in the name of religion, but he is betraying religion itself. Prophet Muhammed had said that a Muslim must spread the his religion all over the world by all means but not by using violence or force. My prediction is that Osama will never be caught. He is a mastermind and knows how to evade US. He has kidney problem or something and might die before being caught and then some Osama II might come, then Osama III and so on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by topshot ...Terrorism may be a problem that can't be stopped entirely, but there are warriors willing to fight against terrorists in order to defend humanity, justice, and the rights of the innocent to live and walk on this green earth.... This is an instance where violence is not the solution to violence.... An important differentiation needs to be made here. You can't face these ppl as 'warriors' as their ultimate aim is not conquest, just disruption. It's not like the Nazi's who wanted to conquer Europe and perhaps the world for their 'liebensraum'(living space)...Terrorists do not want to do this, merely cause chaos for those whom they identify as enemies...... In underdeveloped nations, religious zealots easily capture the hearts and minds of the impoverished. ... Consider their perceptions of life in 'the west' - living in a comfy suburban house, a happy well fed, clothed family, every family has a car, a chance at education, basic medical care..... Now, compare this to if you are living in a slum, in mud and waste, there is poor/if any drinking water, you are constantly hungry and friends and family die because of war, hunger or illness.... it is not difficult therefore for any individual be they a religious or political leader to point the finger at those 'who have' and blame them for the afflictions of the 'have nots'......THIS is how the seed is sown for discontent, hatred and inevitably, violence.... So unless the western nations are prepared to eradicate the third world nations of the world, then you may solve this tragic problem.... I have worked in rehabiltation hospitals in the phillipines and indonesia. I dont take one second of my life for granted because I now that compratively I am very lucky. I want to help, not to hate, and this is the only way you can ever hope to embrace the social, economic and cultural barriers that exist... Neverhoodian bravo man, its nice to hear a voice of reason among the shouts of the angry.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 I can see this coming. In a few years we'll see a US-occupied Spain. j/k;) Seriosly though, my condolences go to the families/friends of those killed in the blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid_Allanon Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 It was also exactly 2 1/2 years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States Osama's work. See how terrifying it can be? Imagine how worse it could get if Osama's captured. Those terrorists will have one more reason to bomb us and result in more casualties. My point is: let it go. He hasn't been caught for a long time, yet he can still plan terrorist attacks. That proves he is both sly and resourceful. What makes you think the US can catch him as time passes? Here they are, wasting resources on tracking him down, and another terrorist attack happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 LIBRAL POINTLESS BUSH HATERS! Now now, that's not very nice. Don't insult others because they have an opinion different than your own. I am not a Liberal, but I don't like Bush either. So watch it. Ever wonder why the terrorists are terrorists? Many say it's just their religion and they believe they will see Allah or whoever they believe in. However, I think it's more to it then just that. I believe that there were many....."hidden"....events that took place to set these people off. Now, I'm not condoning any actions these morons take, because it was all wrong, and killing of innocent life makes you a horrible person. Yet, Jesus died for them too..... All I'm saying is that I know there are several Muslims in America and around the world that do not blow people up. They have no desire to, and they feel shame that their own people are doing it. That's one of the main reasons I think there is more then just religion involved here ans there has to be more going on then the government is telling us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 ....All I'm saying is that I know there are several Muslims in America and around the world that do not blow people up.... several, in your nation of millions ?? my my, aren't we open minded ?? (I'm assuming that was an oversight on your part obi) ...I am a (non-practising) Muslim, and I identify with those murderers no more than any of you do..... ..despite what those madmen say, and how the media presents it to us, it isn't all about religion, far from it.....its all about $ $ $ at the end of the day..and that's the most tragic part of it all..... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 several, in your nation of millions ?? my my, aren't we open minded ?? (I'm assuming that was an oversight on your part obi) Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounded a bit rude..... Anyway..... Yes, several. Here in small towns like were I live, especially. Doesn't your town have convinient stores? No, thats not a stereotype. Every convinient store within a 30 mile radius of here is ran by Muslims. No exageration. I know because I'm friends with (almost) all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightNinja Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Well, im from Madrid and im here now; yes terrorism cant be stoped bcuz there will be always some ****ers wanting to kill for their religion or for anything It was also exactly 2 1/2 years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States Mmm, man, ETA just was trying to explode the bombs since christmas; and then they saw that the M-11 would be a nice day for make people think that Al Qaeda did that just because ETA is almost dissapearing due to the colaboration between Spanish and French police/secret police. They needed to make a "big-bang" in Madrid to make them the center of atention. So they just bought a stupid tape in iraki language (they didnt know what the hell was said in the tape, because why should a terrorist have a tape about teaching Coran?-yeah stupid mistake) to make people think that werent them. But some terrorist of ETA were catched in christmas day and las week with the same kgs of explosive (yes, they have been trying to do that since christmas day) and the police knew that soon or later they will put the bombs anywhere but due to ETA only kills politic people and military for the moment nobody thought they were going to do that. separatist group ETA (from that news link) terrorist group ETA; dont know why english newspapers call them separatist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
•-BLaCKouT-• Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by LightNinja terrorist group ETA; dont know why english newspapers call them separatist. Something to do with remaining impartial apparently BBC world reporters were told recently to refer to Saddam as a 'deposed former president' as opposed to 'dictator'. God forbid we should upset murderers eh? IMHO any 'group' or individual that murders innocent parties on that scale (or any scale for that matter) in the name of getting their message across (be it religious or otherwise) is scum and deserves to be treated as such. [/rant] My sincere condolences to the friends and famlies of those involved in this atrocity. This has been going on for far too long now. B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by Druid Allanon So what if Osama's caught, really? Think about it, it's been a long time since 9/11, and Osama hasn't even striked at all, at least, not those big terrorism acts. So it makes no difference if Osama's caught. More terrorism leaders will merely surface, and take over Osama. ah, so we're just going to let some terrorist mother****er get away with the events that occured on 9/11...sure, more would surface, but that's no excuse to let him get away w/what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 its a real shame. I see people are already jumping to conclusions about it though. People, and even more so governments, should never make knee-jerk decisions when they are in a highly emotional state though. terrorist group ETA; dont know why english newspapers call them separatist. Er, maybe because they are sepreatists. It is certainly a more useful and descriptive term. I suppose they could just call them "scumbags" or something, but that is hardly helpfull. Its a sad world when people get p****d off about the press trying to remain impartial. As far as I am aware terrorism kills, on average, about 500 people a year. Of course, some years are worse and some are better. But that still means it is less of a threat to life than hairdryers. The effects of terrorism rely entirely on the FEAR that these acts create, which is almost always disproportionate to the acts themselves. Unfortunately, when politicians allow this fear and hatred to influence their decisions you end up with knee jerk reactions that completely blow the whole thing out of proportion. The war on terror is a good example. It is out of all proportion, unwinable and actually helps the terrorists by increasing the general fear in the population. The Uk media is talking about terrorism all the time, the government is spending far more money on prevention and removing many long-fought-for civil liberties, however we are in far less danger than we were in the 80s and 90s, when nowhere near as much fuss and fear was created. Spain, like the Uk, has been dealing with acts of terrorism for years... however the only way that the Uk actually managed to halt 100s of years of terrorism/seperatist struggle against them was through dialogue and attempting to find a common ground. Spain, as far as i know (which isn't a lot) hasn't gone down this route yet. No one in the Uk liked doing it though. We still don't. But then i guess we are hardly impartial. The thing about terrorism is that it can never actually win, unless democracies abandon their ideals in an attempt o combat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by toms I suppose they could just call them "scumbags" or something, but that is hardly helpfull. Helpful? No. Funny? Yes. I say we go with the term "scumbags" from now on. You're all a bunch of dirty no good scumbags! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 198 died in these terror actions in Spain. Within the next 30 minutes, there will die 198 children simply due to lack of vaccination. My point is, there are worse problems than terror, problems that are far easier and cheaper to solve. Yet these are completely ignored. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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