My Friend's First Amendment Rights Were Violated.

[manoman81]

I'm not sure if someone posted this but I need to say this. Yes, it is true, there are dress codes in every school district. They are there for a reason. Actually 2 reasons. One was already stated that clothing cannot have profanity anywhere on the article. Though I think the "In case of fire shirt" is funny, the word "dumbass" is considered profain and offensive. Sorry, have to change the shirt.

 

As for the band shirts, I don't understand that either. I have no answers for that one.

 

The Bush shirt needed to be changed. Sorry, but I know the reason as to why. We are looking at a big split in our country that, as far as I know, we have not seen in a long time. I'm only 23 and I've never known the country to be so against itself it's scary. (The older people here might know of a worse time.) That shirt could have started a fight at your school.

 

Don't believe me? OK, let put it this way: Let's say that I start a thread titled either "Bush is a lying mother freaker and should die" or "Kerry is a pansy man that couldn't do this country any good if he tried". Now, let me ask you how fast the mods would be all over me, I would be banned, and my thread closed? Well, why would the thread be closed if that is only my opinion? Because of the flamewar that would ensue. The same would happen at your school (that is if your school is/was really huge into politics and being PC like mine was)

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Has your first ammendment right been violated? No. Your schools have the dress code in print, usually in a student handbook. Therefore, rules have been set forward and you should know about them. The school admins do have the right and ability to send you home to change or suspend you. Do these rules suck? Yeah, I agree with you all there. But, all I can really say is deal with it.

[yaebginn]

Originally posted by InsaneSith

noone cares about a stoner like me's rights.

 

geez. You already are breaking the law by smoking weed, now ur complaing about rights? Trying being a lawful citizen and see how far you go then. The truth is, there's alwats going to be smeone in your way about freedom. It all depends on what your direct authority deems appropriate. You cant threaten the president. Even though there's free speech. You can call him a chimp, or whatever, though. You just gotta learn that life isnt exactly fair, and you cant whine and complain about every little time you didnt get to be a smart mouth.

[SeleneRayne]

Seriously, whenever we'd seen the principal, we'd do the Hitler Salute and say, "Sieg Hail." He never knew what the **** it ment. It was hilarious.

[ET Warrior]

Originally posted by yaebginn

You cant threaten the President.

Saying that he isn't your president is hardly THREATENING him, now is it

 

geez. You already are breaking the law by smoking weed,

 

Oh NOES! Teh law has been brokezored

[KBell]

I have songs on my computer from CDs I don't own.

 

COME GET ME COPPERS!!!!!!!!

 

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by yaebginn

You cant threaten the president. Even though there's free speech. You can call him a chimp, or whatever, though. You just gotta learn that life isnt exactly fair, and you cant whine and complain about every little time you didnt get to be a smart mouth.

thanks for the lecture mister I carry a 15 inch hunting knife everywhere I go.

 

For the record, I wasn't complaining. I know life isn't fair. I wasn't threatening the president. And also, can you for once try to not be a prick?

[KBell]

And if you're not careful, the Grammar Police can nab you.............

[swphreak]

Hmmm...

 

In my school's student handbook, which we were supposed to "read" and sign a contract saying we "read" it, it is against the rules to have a cell phone on school grounds unless it is in your locker or car. Also included is the "no profane shirts, ect."

 

I don't feel sorry for any idiot that had a cellphone and got it taken away in my classes. It's not a right to have one, it's a privilege. Here's a story from my 4th period english class:

A student's cell phone went off during class. The teacher wanted the cell phone, but the student denied it was his or that he even had one. The teacher called security (about 15 minutes wasted by now), security comes up and searches him, and for the heck of it, they search the rest of the class (half the people got their cells taken). They didn't find it in his stuff (they can't like... touch him since that's illegal), but they called in one of the police officers to do a full body search (about 50 minutes wasted by now). The cop finds it and he gets written up and loses his cell phone til his parents pick it up. By the time this crap is done with, the class is basically over.

 

See? There's a reason for these rules. They're not created because The Man is against you or someone hates your guts. Cell Phones are disruptive, and there is potential security risked involved with student possession of them.

 

If people would just leave their cells in their cars or lockers, this wouldn't be a big issue. So basically, whoever started this thread is bitching about rules and the loss of their cell phone.

[yaebginn]

Originally posted by ET Warrior

Saying that he isn't your president is hardly THREATENING him, now is it

 

 

I didnt say he did, I used threatening the president as an example, I never said, or implied that InsaneSith threatened Bush. For starters, its not a 15 inch hunting knife. Its a 8 inch hunting knife, relatively small for a hunting knife. (not the blade only, the whole knife is only 8 inches) I'm getting the 15 inch one in a week or so. And I dont/wont carry it everywhere. It's not allowed in public places (wal mart, mall, etc) only on regular walks. and how exactly am I being a prick? for telling you that life isnt fair and that you cant complain about not getting enough rights, when you are breaking the law? cry me a river. stop whining, junkie, everything will be all better when Kerry gets elected, dont worry little buddy.

[El Sitherino]

you're being a prick because you're coming in here spouting crap. I'm not complaining, I was just telling this te27ch guy that what happend to his friend was nothing, and stated what happend to me. Also, It doesn't matter if I smoke pot, I'm still inclined to the same rights as everyone. I'm tired of your assualtive posts, if you can't be a polite, contributing forum member, I suggest you leave.

[yaebginn]

for starters, you have the same rights, but if you are breaking the governments law, the government that grants you those rights, then stop complaing about how a pot smoker is so discriminsted against and cant get a break and no one loves me and I belive you are the one who started name calling.

 

 

 

And also, can you for once try to not be a prick?

 

 

you're being a prick because you're coming in here spouting crap

 

and these are your exact words about your rights.

 

 

 

 

It was the bush shirt that says "not MY president." with a picture of Bush next to it. They told me I was not allowed to wear a shirt like that and if I was to wear it again I'd be suspended again.

 

the cops probably escorted you out, (your first post in this thread) for pot, not for some t shirt.

 

Now I'm leaving this thread. I stated my point, and now ya'll can get back on topic. catch me on AIM if you have anything else to say, lets not clutter this thread anymore. my aim name is yaebginn

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by yaebginn

 

the cops probably escorted you out, (your first post in this thread) for pot, not for some t shirt.

no, it was because of my shirt. I don't take pot to school, I'm not stupid. and I never said you called me names. You came in here to start crap, thus you are a prick.

[Mike Windu]

We couldn't use colored hair gel.

 

We couldn't wear different colored shoelaces.

 

Shirts tucked in.

 

No long necklaces.

 

;_;

 

 

I feel for your friend, but it's not that big a deal. Football was school sponsored(more than likely) so, they could force him out.

 

School still blows

[RoxStar]

Shirts tucked in? What if it was a small shirt?

[Mike Windu]

Well, nobody wore short shirts at that middle school.

 

I come from ze South

[ZBomber]

yae = I wonder reccomend staying out of the Swamp, since you always seem to start a debate about God knows what.

[legameboy]

Bah. Rules are rules, they'll always be there. I've grown to comply with them and I've been to such strict schools that I just don't even care anymore. Just about every rule has a good purpose in mind, but sadly, they also crack down on the people who are innocent and didn't spark the new rule in the first place. Damn all the immature people today. It's a sad thing called "one person suffers, everyone suffers." Think of the jacked up car insurance for teenagers because dumbasses just thought they could go ninety on small, narrow, residential street.

 

Oh, and Insane Sith, ET, and yaebginn, no offense, but please, please stop arguing and bitching at each other, it's really getting annoying. Yaebginn may get on your last nerve, IS and ET, but you all are probobly tugging his to, so let's just kiss and make up and keep it shut up and private.

[Darth Groovy]

One more argument, flame, snap.....whatever, and this thread is history. I will NOT pay anyone the compliment of dumping this in Skinwalker's lap in the Senate this time.

 

News flash....not every thread has to become a debate, and all I see going on here is bickering. It ends now.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by Breton

Disagreed. The freedom of speech is the freedom to say whatever you like. It shouldn't matter if someone feels it's insulting.

 

Hmmm. I see your point. I've always said that, "there are those for whom it is one's duty to offend."

 

So are their limits to what is acceptable insults? Would it be acceptable for instance to have an explicit written description of a sexual act on a t-shirt? I think the majority of the populace would think not, so that creates the question, "where is the line drawn between a mild but acceptable profane insult and a hardcore and explicit one?"

 

I don't know the answer to that one... but I'm sure that schools could best dictate the standards for the students if parents were more involved and more integrated within the school process. The schools I visit through my job have limited visitor parking, so the message is clear the first time you visit your child's school: you're in the way, so make your visit brief."

[Kain]

I feel freedom of speech is just that: Freedom. I don't find what anybody says offensive, degrading, or durogatory. They are, after all, just words. I agree there should be limits (ie: no FIRE in theaters, no 'I wanna kill the prez' ect), but if someone's shirt said 'Democratic supporters are all petty ball lickers who think its cool to bash others', I'd get a chuckle. Of course, I'd come back wearing the shirt that said 'Republicans are morally bankrupt money harboring butthole surfers who get their jollies on bombing countries on fake intellegence, both on paper and in their leader's minds'.

 

Thats my 2 cents anyways. Feel free to pick them apart as you see fit: I'd be hypocritical if I said otherwise:)

 

Oh yea, I just remembered: I don't think its fair that some people can get away with saying things that others cannot (ie: African Americans can say 'nigga' when they talk about their 'homies', but if a white guy says it, he gets shot. Or how teachers in school can cuss until the chickens come home to roast, but if a student mutters damn, even saying it as dam, they get suspended). If we're really to have 'Freedom of Speech', it can't be 'Freedom of Speech - but only if you're an adult and if you're not around reverese-racist zealots and only if its politically correct(you MUST support the President[or applicable leader] or you're WRONG) and as long as it doesn't offend anybody'.

[Darth Groovy]

Originally posted by Kain

I feel freedom of speech is just that: Freedom. I don't find what anybody says offensive, degrading, or durogatory. They are, after all, just words. I agree there should be limits (ie: no FIRE in theaters, no 'I wanna kill the prez' ect), but if someone's shirt said 'Democratic supporters are all petty ball lickers who think its cool to bash others', I'd get a chuckle. Of course, I'd come back wearing the shirt that said 'Republicans are morally bankrupt money harboring butthole surfers who get their jollies on bombing countries on fake intellegence, both on paper and in their leader's minds'.

 

Thats my 2 cents anyways. Feel free to pick them apart as you see fit: I'd be hypocritical if I said otherwise:)

 

Oh yea, I just remembered: I don't think its fair that some people can get away with saying things that others cannot (ie: African Americans can say 'nigga' when they talk about their 'homies', but if a white guy says it, he gets shot. Or how teachers in school can cuss until the chickens come home to roast, but if a student mutters damn, even saying it as dam, they get suspended). If we're really to have 'Freedom of Speech', it can't be 'Freedom of Speech - but only if you're an adult and if you're not around reverese-racist zealots and only if its politically correct(you MUST support the President[or applicable leader] or you're WRONG) and as long as it doesn't offend anybody'.

 

This is not uncommon. It is nice to know that since I graduated in 1992, that not much has changed. High School's like to put a limit on your rights, and they KNOW that your rights as a citizen of whatever country you live in, is subject to a limitation based on your age, therefore they enforce it relentlessly.

 

The thing you have to remember, and I cannot STRESS this enough, is that High School is only one small episode in your expanded life. Once you graduate, and enter the real world, the **** that bothered you so much in High School, becomes that which it is...pure ****. Eventually you can look back at High School and laugh, because the **** that High School preps you to beleive that is so damn important, becomes pure nonsense. Knowing what I know now, I would not have taken High School quite so seriously.

 

Seriously though, long before the Columbine incident, I had very vivid dreams of killing my classmates and teachers with a Vicker's Machine gun in vivid detail, but that was Junior High. I did not act on it, and since Junior High was so terrible for me, High School became a breeze.

 

The problem that parents and socialites never see, is that even the teachers who are exposed to clicks and popularity phases surrounding the High School, become as big a part of all of it, as the students themselves.

 

What SHOULD keep you going Kain, is "what will happen AFTER High School. This is where you really reap the benefits. You watch "Jocks" become trash collectors, you watch "snotty girls" become "single mothers" and you see how the real world makes High School look like the mound of pure **** that it really is.

 

Trust me on this one, I graduated in '92, and saw first hand what became of all my classmates. Once you graduate, the clicks are gone....meaningless, and real life sets in. I saw the Prom Queen who went to Anapolis (High Profile Naval Academy) and wash out, only to wind up working at Champ's Sporting Goods at the local Mall.

 

My only advice to all those in this thread that are still in High School, is to join in some clubs that interest you, and make the most of it, because eventually, you will miss the "simplicity" of life in High School! This is once chance you have at life to make freinds that you will have forever! The more friends and support you have, the better off you are!

 

Summary: it's all a big joke, laugh it all off in private, play the game, and you will be FINE!

[Icemaniax]

Originally posted by SeleneRayne

And you couldn't wear colored shoelaces, SHOELACES!!!

I had red ones in my sophmore year, that came with my shoes. I was told to take them out and not wear them. I wasn't about to buy shoelaces that I didn't need bacause my school is retarted, funny thing was my mom felt the same way.

 

lol I had the same rule at my last HS. but, me being a smart A** went and bought some neon green laces ( yuck, but my goal was to piss them off) I also got black laces & white laces. walking down the hall, one of the teachers stops me. Says to go to the principles office. So I did, when I got there he said to remove the laces and hand them to him. So I did. he then asked if i had spare laces. which I replied, yes I do, in my backpack.

 

So I got out the black ones and started to lace them, he told me to stop, and took them from me as well. Black laces are not allowed. (wtf?!) I just looked at him, and said ok, I have some white ones too, but since WHITE IS A COLOR, am I not allowed to use them either? he laughed. so, I bent down to lace them, and look under his desk. and GUESS who has Black shoelaces?

So being my stupid self. I stood up and with a very serious look and tone said, "I'm sorry sir, but I am going to have to ask you to remove your shoelaces, as they are black in color, which is against school rules."

 

Guess who got detention. well, it wasn't him.

 

yah school sucks, glad I graduated.

[Doomie]

Are a lot of schools that way in the US? glad i live over here...

[Alegis]

Originally posted by SeleneRayne

Seriously, whenever we'd seen the principal, we'd do the Hitler Salute and say, "Sieg Hail." He never knew what the **** it ment. It was hilarious.

first time i hear of someone who doesn't know that...it's sieg heil btw "sieg as in siegfried und roy, and heil as in 'hi-l" [/spelling nazi]

[toms]

In most countries schoolkids have to wear uniforms...

 

Of course, when i was at school i thought this was horribly unfair, but now that i see how schools in the US work i've started to think that uniforms aren't such a bad idea. Not only do they save you lots of arguements, they also help to reduce the cliqueiness of schools (i'm amazed by how cliquy US schools are, i thought it was just a joke for films like the breakfast club), stops you having to have the coolest, most expensive clothes and basically puts everyone on an even footing.

 

Of course, everyone tries to be as individual as they can within the rules they are given... (wearing ties very short or long, thin or fat, etc...) but at least you have everyone starting out on a on even footing.

 

Our headmaster banned us from wearing Doc Martins (even got in the national papers because of it, which you could tell he was really chuffed with)... so we all coloured in the yellow stitching with black markers and then they couldn't tell that they were DMs at all.

 

Of course, if they are going to not have uniforms, then they should allow kids the same rights as anyone else under whatever dress code they have and wearing band or political t-shirts that aren't rude should be allowed.

 

Did you hear about that boy who's school was sponsored by Coca-cola? On the school photo day he wore a pepsi shirt and got suspended.

 

If you read the start of Stupid White Men, Michael Moore describes how he was fed up of stupid censorship in his school looked up the rules on local school disctrict official elections, found out that about 5 people bothered voting.. so he stood himself, got his mates to vote and then WON and sacked his principle.... so, if you feel really stronglt i suggest a trip to the library and a lesson that youth isn't always apathetic...