rgdelta Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Nope I don't have that problem and I am running XP SP 2 also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 my computer has freaky issues with Perl. trying to use DLGEditor it crashes. I have similar problems with K-Gff. Crashes every time. camedit crashes on saving. FindRefs shows that it's searching for a bit, then crashes. I think KSE is the only one of tk102's tools I have that doesn't give me any trouble. Oh cjt0202 that is easily the worst review I've gotten during my entire times on the forums. (oops I mean: ) Have you had any problems with cchargin's utilities? Do you use KSE or KSEA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjt0202 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Oh cjt0202 that is easily the worst review I've gotten during my entire times on the forums. (oops I mean: ) Sorry! I hated to do it, but the next thing on my list of trying to figure it out myself was descending into DLL Hell. Have you had any problems with cchargin's utilities? Do you use KSE or KSEA?mdlops seems to be OK. I use KSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted February 25, 2006 Author Share Posted February 25, 2006 v2.2.6 released - Added a popup notification that occurs the first time orphan nodes are detected - Added Edit: Delete All Orphans menu item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldflash Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 To erase all orphans in one step is great. To be notify when they appeare ist is SUPER! Thanks tk102 Edit: Tested. It works perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I was wondering about something: When I copy and paste dialogue lines, to create a loop, sometimes the entire section of dialogue gets moved. Was there a way that I can loop dialogue with only copying and moving one line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 You have the option to "paste as new" and "paste as copy". You can also copy a line as text from the white box where you can type in and paste it somewhere else (ctrl+c and ctrl+v). Edit tk102: For this, I use Copy, then Paste as New. I then use Break Link with Parent on the subnodes that I don't want. (Hmm... that can be a little tedious. I might look at simplifying that process.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 You have the option to "paste as new" and "paste as copy". You can also copy a line as text from the white box where you can type in and paste it somewhere else (ctrl+c and ctrl+v). When I am creating dialogue loops, I usually use 'paste as copy'. However, I have tried both, and it doesn't like to play well with others. Let me try to clearify, for I may have not have been clear. Lets just say I create three dialogue trees, and I decided to loop all three back to the main 'Entry' dialogue. I would have to copy and paste the entrys to create a loop. What is intresting is that the first dialogue tree likes to pull the entire second and third dialogue trees with the copied entry. Instead of just taking the 'Entry' dialogue of tree 2 and 3, the entire tree is pulled over. Any suggestion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 For this, I use Copy, then Paste as New. I then use Break Link with Parent on the subnodes that I don't want. (Hmm... that can be a little tedious. I might look at simplifying that process.) Will that allow the dialogue to loop back to the 2nd and 3rd entries, and execute the rest of the dialogue trees? Or, will that just cut the ties with the remaining dialogue in tree 2 and 3? Thanks for both of your help on this matter. Edit: Added: I just tried what you suggested, and I get [End Dialogue]. I am hoping to get [Already Listed]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 Let's say you have a dialog like this: Root |-> Entry 1 |--> Reply 1 | |-> Entry 2 |--> Reply 2 | |-> Entry 3 |--> Reply 3 and you want Reply 3 to loop back to the beginning. In DLGEditor do this: 1. Add a new Entry to the root (it can be empty) Root |-> Entry 1 |--> Reply 1 | |-> Entry 2 |--> Reply 2 | |-> Entry 3 |--> Reply 3 | |-> Entry 4 2. Add a new Reply to that entry (it can be empty also) Root |-> Entry 1 |--> Reply 1 | |-> Entry 2 |--> Reply 2 | |-> Entry 3 |--> Reply 3 | |-> Entry 4 |--> Reply 4 3. Cut Entry 1 Copy Entry 1* and Paste as Copy to Reply 4. Then Cut Entry 1. Do this for Entry 2 and Entry 3 also: Root |-> Entry 4 |--> Reply 4 |---> Entry 1 |----> Reply 1 |---> Entry 2 |----> Reply 2 |---> Entry 3 |----> Reply 3 4. Copy Entry 4 and Paste as Copy to Reply 3. |-> Entry 4 |--> Reply 4 |---> Entry 1 |----> Reply 1 |---> Entry 2 |----> Reply 2 |---> Entry 3 |----> Reply 3 |-----> Entry 4 (already listed) * doing the Copy instead of Cut ensures that you can Paste Node As Copy which is necessary to preserve the conditionals. Also, to remove the original Entry, use Cut instead of Delete or you will create orphans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Oh I get it! I will have to make another tree with a new 'Entry' and 'Reply', and then I can copy & paste the entries from 1, 2, and 3 into the new tree. After all that, I can then copy and paste them at the end of tree 1, 2, or 3. <---That will definatly make a cleaner loop. That is so logical. I can't believe that I didn't see that. Thank you TK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 I just edited the above... make sure you do a Paste as Copy to preserve your Conditionals. Also there seems to be a bug if you try to Break Link with Parent on the original node after you've done the Paste as Copy. Cut node works correctly. Don't use Delete Node Completely in this case though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Unfortulatley, I still get the same results. (Unaltered: Without loops.) NPC-ROOT ---->PC - Entry I ------->NPC - Reply ---------->PC - Reply ------------>NPC - Reply (End Dialogue.) ---->PC - Entry II ------->NPC - Reply ---------->PC - Reply ------------>NPC - Reply (End Dialogue.) ---->PC - Entry III ------->NPC - Reply ---------->PC - Reply ------------>NPC - Reply (End Dialogue.) -------------------------------------------------------- (Altered: With loops. The result I keep getting.) NPC-ROOT ---->PC - Entry I ------->NPC - Reply ---------->PC - Reply ------------>NPC - Reply (End Dialogue.) -------------->PC - Entry II ----------------->NPC - Reply -------------------->PC - Reply ---------------------->NPC - Reply (End Dialogue.) -------------->PC - Entry III ----------------->NPC - Reply -------------------->PC - Reply ---------------------->NPC - Reply (End Dialogue.) ---->PC - Entry II (Already Listed.) ---->PC - Entry III (Already Listed.) -------------------------------------------------------- (What I would like to happen.) NPC-ROOT ---->PC - Entry I ------->NPC - Reply ---------->PC - Reply ------------>NPC - Reply -------------->PC - Entry II (Already Listed.) -------------->PC - Entry III (Already Listed.) ---->PC - Entry II ------->NPC - Reply ---------->PC - Reply I ------------>NPC - Reply -------------->PC - Entry I (Already Listed.) -------------->PC - Entry III (Already Listed.) ---->PC - Entry III ------->NPC - Reply ---------->PC - Reply ------------>NPC - Reply (End Dialogue.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 Be careful with what you call an Entry and what you call a Reply, those terms have specific meanings. An Entry is spoken by the NPC and is selected based on the first true Condition. A Reply is spoken by the PC and its availability is based on its Condition but is ultimately selected by the player. Just remember to build from the top. The (already listed) parts will only appear below the node that is...already listed. It also helps to draw a little box diagram showing how things progress. Follow one branch all the way out until you become self-referential or you reach the end of the dialog. After that, go back up to the last branch point and follow it out. Eventually you'll work back to the branch points that are closest to the root, and hopefully most of them will be (already listed). Root └─Entry 1 (Hi, what do you want?) ├─Reply 1 (What is your name) │ └─Entry 2 (I am tk102. Who are you?) │ └─Reply 2 (I am <PLAYER>) │ └─Entry 3 (Nice to meet you.) │ ├─Reply 3 (What is your favorite equation?) │ │ └─Entry 4 (Hmm, Euler's equation I suppose.) │ │ └─Reply 4 (I prefer the Pythagorean theorem.) │ │ └─Entry 5 (Yeah, that's more handy.) │ │ ├─Reply 1 (What is your name (already listed)) │ │ └─Reply 6 (What is your mother's maiden name?) │ │ └─Entry 6 (Ha, ha, I don't think so.) │ │ └─Reply 6 (It was worth a try.) │ │ └─Entry 7 (No more questions please. (End dialog)) │ └─Reply 6 (What is your mother's maiden name? (already listed)) ├─Reply 3 (What is your favorite equation? (already listed) └─Reply 6 (What is your mother's maiden name? (already listed)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I altered the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 So did I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Just remember to build from the top. The (already listed) parts will only appear below the node that is...already listed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is where I probally got into trouble. I build the dialogue trees top to bottom, but treated each tree seperatly. When I went back to loop the dialogue, I created more problems for myself. Entry = NPC Reply = PC/NPC I must have conffused you. My apology. ├─Reply 3 (What is your favorite equation? (already listed) └─Reply 6 (What is your mother's maiden name? (already listed)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is what I was trying to get rid of. Next time I will use your logic. Thank you for your help, MacLeodCorp Edit tk102: You're quite welcome. I'm sure others have had similar troubles trying to get a dialog to loop. Plus I was found a bug in my code thanks to this excercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 v2.2.7 released Just a small bug fix. - Fixed a bug where right-click "Break Link with Parent" would cause an ARRAY error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 v2.2.7 released Just a small bug fix. - Fixed a bug where right-click "Break Link with Parent" would cause an ARRAY error. DUDE! I swear I was 2 seconds from PM'ing you about this.. you're a lifesaver and saved me a PM hehehe NOW, any way to make it possible to cut-n-paste between 2 different .dlg files? Guess I need to go searching for the requests area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Glad I could help out ChAiNz.2da. NOW, any way to make it possible to cut-n-paste between 2 different .dlg files? That sounds like a minor request doesn't it... I suppose you mean copying entire branches, not just nodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Glad I could help out ChAiNz.2da. That sounds like a minor request doesn't it... I suppose you mean copying entire branches, not just nodes? hermmm.. methinks I have opened the proverbial "can of worms" huh? hehehe uhmmm... yah, entire branches would be peachy.. * goes to hide under a rock and escape tk's wrath * but Hey! No rush bro, I'll be done with my mod probably before you pull all of your hair out doing this request (if possible and you have the desire to). Just something for the "down the road" kinda thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkkender Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 but Hey! No rush bro, I'll be done with my mod probably before you pull all of your hair out doing this request (if possible and you have the desire to). Just something for the "down the road" kinda thing LOL, you think you can finish your mod in the next 4 hours to a day Chainz.2da? As I'm pretty sure Tk will beat you to the punch. In fact I'll fish out a package of cookies for who ever is first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 LOL, you think you can finish your mod in the next 4 hours to a day Chainz.2da? As I'm pretty sure Tk will beat you to the punch. In fact I'll fish out a package of cookies for who ever is first. Oh wow! I thought it would take longer than that seeing as how anytime I mention copy-n-paste something gets thrown at me, hehehe... But if tk was to get this done in 4 hours or a day I'd gladly send you both a box of cookies As for me, not a chance... I'm having "problems" trying to get a custom cutscene to bend to my will damn it all.. sooooo close to being done, why oh why did I want to go that extra mile?! hehehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 As much as I like cookies, those "4 hours" that are required will have to come from a timepool that's a bit farther in the future than I think you're hoping for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 As much as I like cookies, those "4 hours" that are required will have to come from a timepool that's a bit farther in the future than I think you're hoping for. Not a problem man, like I said.. "down the road" hehehe.. funny enough though, the problem I was having I found the answer to.. (rather than having to start over *whew*)... so I'm all kewl & groovy Thank you Search Function & one of Darth333's older posts Edit tk102: Ah, yes in retrospect it is obvious that you were progressing down the same road as she -- I can see similarities in the use of the smiley.* Edit by d3: Erm...what was that supposed to mean? Nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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