Combat

[DarkMe]

So Red you really make people think!

[Soogz]

Oh lord, please don't change the combat, I love it how it is, and all I can ask for is maybe better other moves rather than, crit strike, flurry, and power attack. But all in all keep the combat system.

[Vladimir-Vlada]

I want different vehicles to ride across ENTIRE PLANETS, NOT JUST TWO OR THREE MAPS.

I completely agree. Gian terrains, many cities and sites of anicent times and military bases. Maybe exploring the space between systems with a starfighter, which you can either buy, sell, design or upgrade. Also that you can fly across the planet. When you enter the atmosphere, it just says: "Loading" for a few seconds (no blackouts), and *puff* you're in the atmosphere of the planet.

 

ROFL ROFL ROFL... Man, you people are taking this so seriously that that makes me sick. There is no need to worry to much about who knows what RPG is or not; this is about fun, that we participate in the story, not just standing around and telling them: "Attack" and they stand at one spot and do the job for us.

 

The point to discussing all this is because we all want to have fun. KOTOR gave us that great fun, but unless they realise that if they implant many good things from other genres, they could get a lot of money and everyone will celebrate it (too bad that money exists ).

 

We are complaining because we KNOW that they can do better, mixing a lot of combat systems and animations, they might make us content.

 

Now, to imply on some things that RedHawke said:

 

2) Combat cannot be outright leathal to a PC, damage is doled out over time... this comes from one of the first RPG systems a very long time ago and it was worked into the first D&D System, as D20 is an inheritor of this system, combat damage is handled as nicks and cuts, only leathal to the PC over time. This is why there are no insta-kill weapons, or real accurate sabers.

If you are so convinced that RPG can only be in the style you are mentioning, then would you kindly explain me:

How come that in Dungeon Lords, you have:

1. Moves

2. Feats

3. Instant Kill attacks

4. Combo moves

 

But yet still there is levelling up, weapons do limited damage, you hit different body parts, you do different damage; but yet it's still an RPG.

How do you explain that?

 

Also even though you see very little, there is a lot going on in the background during combat, you get dodges and parry's in combat, you just don't have control over them...

That's the problem of why are we complaining damn'it!

 

This is how the D20 system works, and what the Defence rating means, it is a catch all number indicating how hard to hit you are, parts of it come from your armor (Physical Defense), parts come from your Dexterity (Dodge Defense), and parts come from your Shield/Items (Parry Defense). It is because of this that you get no individual Dodge and Parry chances in the game, it all is part of your Defense rating.

But it is better that there is implanted at least some chances that you manually try to avoid it, but if the enemy has a too big level of something you could fail, or maybe you might just avoid it. It might sound complicated but believe me it's more realistic that way.

 

The lack of movement complained about is only a visual thing, there is no movement in RPG combat, it is all up to your dice rolls, defense, and bonuses vs. your opponents dice rolls, defense, and bonuses.

It doesn't mean that it has to be only that. In Dungeon Lords you can try to avoid them.

 

The same applies with Blasters, visually according to RPG rules you stand there in one spot and shoot and shoot until your opponent is dead, moving incurs penalties to your shots, the same would apply to any ranged weaponry, even missile launchers, they would be no different than grenades are now, remember the nicks and cuts RPG combat guideline.

Now that's where you are wrong. Ranged combat, no matter if it was in a RPG or FPS has to be a least a bit realistic. In Deus Ex even the last bullet in your pistol can mean a difference when trying to kill a completely healthy enemy. You run towards another cover but you turn to him and try to aim and shoot him in the head. Now if your skill with pistols is high enough the better are the chances that you'll hit him in the head, but if it isn't enough you'll have to be as accurate as possible. Now you can hit him in the head and if the pistol does enough damage, he's dead. But if you hit him in the torso, he'll just moan and try to shoot you too, and if he has a powerfull gun enough and if he's accurate enough and he has a large enough level, he might shoot you in the head, and you're dead. So ranged combat can be like in Deus Ex and still remain an RPG, no matter how you look at it.

 

RPG combat is not supposed to be a test of manual dexterity, it is supposed to be a test for the brain and a little luck of the die!

No, RedHawke... It is supposed to be all three things.

 

New animations have to be included. I'm tired of seeing the same thing over and over again.

Yeah!

 

The most important thing for the KOTOR 3 should be "Real Time Physics" or something like that.

Agreed.

 

Oh and another thing:

MORE ENEMIES!!!

[stingerhs]

I completely agree. Gian terrains, many cities and sites of anicent times and military bases. Maybe exploring the space between systems with a starfighter, which you can either buy, sell, design or upgrade. Also that you can fly across the planet. When you enter the atmosphere, it just says: "Loading" for a few seconds (no blackouts), and *puff* you're in the atmosphere of the planet.

and add make it so that we have to fly around and target other enemies a la Rogue Squadron?? not in Kotor. i'd be fine with it in a game like Rogue Squadron, but not Kotor. it just doesn't fit the context of the gameplay.

ROFL ROFL ROFL... Man, you people are taking this so seriously that that makes me sick. There is no need to worry to much about who knows what RPG is or not; this is about fun, that we participate in the story, not just standing around and telling them: "Attack" and they stand at one spot and do the job for us.

then you are obviously not familier with what the Kotor games have already established. if you want an action-based RPG set in the Star Wars universe, that's fine by me. however, the Kotor games thus far have not been action based, they've been much more of your traditional story-based RPG's. thus, Kotor 3 should stay within its genre of story-based gameplay. save the action-based Star Wars RPG for another series.

The point to discussing all this is because we all want to have fun. KOTOR gave us that great fun, but unless they realise that if they implant many good things from other genres, they could get a lot of money and everyone will celebrate it (too bad that money exists ).

your point is valid, but LA also stands to lose a lot of money by adding in all those new elements from other genres to a sequal in a series that has already established its own form of gameplay. people don't just buy sequals for the storyline, they also buy sequals because sequals are supposed to offer a very similar style of gameplay as established by its prequels.

We are complaining because we KNOW that they can do better, mixing a lot of combat systems and animations, they might make us content.

correction: changes to the combat might make you content, obviously not everyone in this forum, and especially not everyone in this discussion.

If you are so convinced that RPG can only be in the style you are mentioning, then would you kindly explain me:

How come that in Dungeon Lords, you have:

1. Moves

2. Feats

3. Instant Kill attacks

4. Combo moves

 

But yet still there is levelling up, weapons do limited damage, you hit different body parts, you do different damage; but yet it's still an RPG.

How do you explain that?

easy: Dungeon Lords is a different game from a different series of RPG's. Dungeon Lords has its own set of rules that have been established, and so has the Kotor series. just because Dungeon Lords has a different system that you might prefer doesn't mean that it has to be implemented in an entirely different series.

That's the problem of why are we complaining damn'it!

that problem can be addressed through changes in the animations. calling for a new combat system doesn't necessarily fix the problem unless you turn the game into a hack 'n slash.

But it is better that there is implanted at least some chances that you manually try to avoid it, but if the enemy has a too big level of something you could fail, or maybe you might just avoid it. It might sound complicated but believe me it's more realistic that way.

just because its realistic doesn't mean that it belongs in a combat system like Kotor's. your hand/eye coordination should not have anything to do with a combat system like Kotor. now, perhaps selecting a combat feat that adds to your defense would work well, but not one based on your hand/eye coordination.

It doesn't mean that it has to be only that. In Dungeon Lords you can try to avoid them.

for the last time: Kotor is not Dungeon Lords. quit trying to compare them.

Now that's where you are wrong. Ranged combat, no matter if it was in a RPG or FPS has to be a least a bit realistic. In Deus Ex even the last bullet in your pistol can mean a difference when trying to kill a completely healthy enemy. You run towards another cover but you turn to him and try to aim and shoot him in the head. Now if your skill with pistols is high enough the better are the chances that you'll hit him in the head, but if it isn't enough you'll have to be as accurate as possible. Now you can hit him in the head and if the pistol does enough damage, he's dead. But if you hit him in the torso, he'll just moan and try to shoot you too, and if he has a powerfull gun enough and if he's accurate enough and he has a large enough level, he might shoot you in the head, and you're dead. So ranged combat can be like in Deus Ex and still remain an RPG, no matter how you look at it.

let me slightly reword what i just stated above: Kotor is not Deus Ex. and not only that, Deus Ex is a FPS, not an RPG, so comparisons between the two are automatically invalid.

No, RedHawke... It is supposed to be all three things.

wrong. changing the core combat to be based on hand-eye coordination as well as what already exists is a very bad idea for reasons already mentioned.

[dale03ster]

I have mixed feelings about it, on one hand i hope they update animations, and add a form menu during level up or something, describe different forms, not just lightsaber, but melee, and blasters two, be able to select these and apply them in battle. Thus giving you bonuses with having some eyecandy as well...

 

While on the other hand i wish you had much more control, however it is true that kotor is already bassed on one principal, however just seing the same old attack, sit and do nothing except duck every once and a while routine does get kinda old

[THE MANDALORE]

Ok.

 

In addition to the new posts, I think that we should have "Counter Feats"

 

Counter feats would be made to counter certain attacks.

I.E.- A "Flurry Counter" would allow you to counter flurry attacks by enemies. A "Critical Strike Counter" would let you counter critical stike attacks, etc, etc.

 

Also, more maps need to be included, and the option of throwing people around.

[lukeiamyourdad]

People should normally know what my sentiments about a combat system are, just looking at my post count is enough.

 

I play a lot of FPS and RTS games which, as you all know, require a certain amount of manual dexterity. Manual dexterity is a bitch. As much as I love it, I can't play an FPS for more then an hour and a half, two hours before my aim becomes crap (especially in MMOFPS).

On the other hand, I can play KotOR for countless hours non-stop (that's what I did when I first got K1 ), without being tired. Just a drink to keep me refreshed and I can stay 24 hours (never did that, but I'm sure I can) playing KotOR.

So for me, KotOR represents relaxation. I can just sit back and enjoy the game instead of stressing myself.

 

Before I go, I'm sick and tired of people referring to games where you can level up certain skills as RPGs. When you move using wasd and shoot with your mouse, it's a shooter NOT AN RPG FOR *****'S SAKE!

[RedHawke]

Before I go, I'm sick and tired of people referring to games where you can level up certain skills as RPGs. When you move using wasd and shoot with your mouse, it's a shooter NOT AN RPG FOR *****'S SAKE!

Word! It seems many of the Playstation generation are the most confused about this RPG subject, and think that adrenaline pumping, button mashing action is the only way to be entertained... I find this to be a little sad.

 

@ Vlad, It is obvious from your, for lack of a better word, 'uneducated' statements that you have never played a Paper and Pencil RPG, the ones that you actually have to use real dice and your imagination to play ... if you had played one, you would have never posted most of your rebuttal statements.

 

There is no need to worry to much about who knows what RPG is or not; this is about fun,

Yes there is Vlad, while I agree it is about fun, you also need to know what an RPG actually is before suggesting combat features for it. Combat features better suited to other game genres.

 

that we participate in the story, not just standing around and telling them: "Attack" and they stand at one spot and do the job for us.

That is what RPG's are all about, and that is what combat will be in an RPG, if you do not like this fact then RPG's seem to not be your cup of tea.

 

To make the base combat be any different and more FPS-like removes the game as playable from a ton of it's audience. Like LIAYD stated many of us cannot play a FPS game for many hours straight, and RPG's are meant to be played for long hours using your mind, while being physically relaxing, so the combat system as it is today is quite suited to this fact.

 

The point to discussing all this is because we all want to have fun. KOTOR gave us that great fun, but unless they realise that if they implant many good things from other genres, they could get a lot of money and everyone will celebrate it (too bad that money exists ).

No Vlad, mixing game genres now would be the worst idea in the universe, the third KOTOR game must be the same style and gameplay as the previous two, or else it isn't KOTOR. RPG's are not FPS, or action games, nor should they ever be. You should never have to use manual dexterity to complete an RPG, all you need is your mind.

 

We are complaining because we KNOW that they can do better, mixing a lot of combat systems and animations, they might make us content.

I'm not complaining, no complaints in my posts, I'm rather content with KOTOR combat as-is. The only ones I see complaining seem to be the ones who want an RPG to be something it is not, by design.

 

Now, to imply on some things that RedHawke said:

 

If you are so convinced that RPG can only be in the style you are mentioning, then would you kindly explain me:

How come that in Dungeon Lords, you have:

1. Moves

2. Feats

3. Instant Kill attacks

4. Combo moves

 

But yet still there is levelling up, weapons do limited damage, you hit different body parts, you do different damage; but yet it's still an RPG.

How do you explain that?

Simple... First, that game is not based on a pure PnP RPG system like the game that is the subject of this thread (KOTOR), it likely has it's own electronic game RPG system devised for it, KOTOR is pure D20 so it is limited by those rules. Second, it really isn't a pure RPG as it mixes other game genre elements into it... so in the end there is no comparison to this topic. It is an invalid choice for your argument.

 

That's the problem of why are we complaining damn'it!

That's what I would like to know... it seems that people who have little idea about what RPG's are, want something new for KOTOR III... this will not happen as it would be recieved badly, and some of the features suggested here would compete with Galaxies, and that is something LA would never allow.

 

But it is better that there is implanted at least some chances that you manually try to avoid it, but if the enemy has a too big level of something you could fail, or maybe you might just avoid it. It might sound complicated but believe me it's more realistic that way.

 

It doesn't mean that it has to be only that. In Dungeon Lords you can try to avoid them.

Getting into fights to big for your party happen all the time, and dialogueing your way out of a fight is classic RPG gaming.

 

Now that's where you are wrong. Ranged combat, no matter if it was in a RPG or FPS has to be a least a bit realistic.

No my freind, it is you who are very wrong, you are trying to compare FPS combat with RPG combat, the FPS will always win visually because of the games base designs.

 

FPS, rely on your reflexes and button pushing ability to handle combat, the first on the button and the quickest with the mouse/pointer always wins.

 

RPG's are very different, combat is turn based, handled by die rolls, and was originally designed for table top play so combat will always be lackluster, becuse you are supposed to use your imagination during a fight.

 

Heck, Vlad you really need to be just glad you have the visuals you do in KOTOR, as it is the flashiest computer RPG I have seen... in most of the classics you walked in only 4 directions and combat was a monster or two appearing on the screen in front of you, and the actual combat was not even seen, just numbers on the bottom of the screen until either you or the monster was dead, if you lived you collected the treasure from the dead opponent, nothing was actually seen by the player, just a list of things gotten from the dead opponent. If you can, try to picture this in your head the next time you are playing KOTOR!

 

In Deus Ex even the last bullet in your pistol can mean a difference when trying to kill a completely healthy enemy. (Edited for space) So ranged combat can be like in Deus Ex and still remain an RPG, no matter how you look at it.

Deus Ex is not an RPG so it is really useless to try to compare it to an RPG in any way shape or form! Totally usless for comparison! No matter how you look at it!

 

No, RedHawke... It is supposed to be all three things.

No Vlad, KOTOR is supposed to be an RPG, not what you stated, you seem to want to turn KOTOR into something more like a FPS, and this is not an RPG.

 

Most of the ideas are like yours are, wanting elements included in the game that have no place in the game... some of you are asking for things as bad as for example; making GTA: Vice City II and instead of using the GTA engine making it using the D20 rules and the KOTOR Engine... you would have proverbial rioting in the streets! People would be saying all sorts of negative things, and many would not buy it, your adding FPS elements to KOTOR III suggestions are actually very much akin to this example.

 

While I have no problem with a wishlist of things people want to see in KOTOR III, I originally posted what I did to attempt to educate people on what was likely possible in the current RPG format, not to say their ideas were junk or bad.

 

Personally, I really liked some of the ideas here, there need to be some new combat animations like ED was saying, most definately! there were new ones in TSL from K1, there will have to be some new ones in K3.

 

But combat will never be an impressive saber duel like we see in the movies, or massive moving fights like those in the FPS games, it will still be, at it's most basic level, stationary combat handled by dice rolls.

[FiEND_138]

I really hope they don't change the combat system. It's supposed to be a RPG, if I want a FPS, I'll play Jedi Knight.

What ^^^ said. New animations would be welcomed though.

[Vladimir-Vlada]

@ Vlad, It is obvious from your, for lack of a better word, 'uneducated' statements that you have never played a Paper and Pencil RPG, the ones that you actually have to use real dice and your imagination to play ... if you had played one, you would have never posted most of your rebuttal statements.

You know, you don't be polite to be honest. And to use a better term of the 'uneducated' title for me would be: IGNORANT JERK

Yes, I haven't played a Paper and Pencil RPG, but I sure do have an imagination. Now, you have to know, that Pencil and Paper RPGs aren't sold anywhere in our country, so I'm sorry for the bad things going on there and for not knowing how to play Pencil and Paper RPGs.

 

Yes there is Vlad, while I agree it is about fun, you also need to know what an RPG actually is before suggesting combat features for it. Combat features better suited to other game genres.

OK... I'm going to ask everyone a simple question:

 

AM I OR AM I NOT MAKING ANY RPG OR ANY GAME AT ALL?

 

*Silence... *

 

Exatcly! I'm not.

 

That is what RPG's are all about, and that is what combat will be in an RPG, if you do not like this fact then RPG's seem to not be your cup of tea.

Hey, if I wanted to play dice and use my imagination with Knights, Ladies and Mages I would have gone and bought a Paper and Pencil RPG box, but since there aren't any sold in our country. TOUGH S*IT! :embarassed:

 

To make the base combat be any different and more FPS-like removes the game as playable from a ton of it's audience. Like LIAYD stated many of us cannot play a FPS game for many hours straight, and RPG's are meant to be played for long hours using your mind, while being physically relaxing, so the combat system as it is today is quite suited to this fact.

So what's wrong in inserting the ability to participate in large battles... Where there are acctuel ARMIES?

 

No Vlad, mixing game genres now would be the worst idea in the universe, the third KOTOR game must be the same style and gameplay as the previous two, or else it isn't KOTOR. RPG's are not FPS, or action games, nor should they ever be. You should never have to use manual dexterity to complete an RPG, all you need is your mind.

Yeah... And some luck, that your Computer pulls out the bigger number.

 

That's what I would like to know... it seems that people who have little idea about what RPG's are, want something new for KOTOR III...

Mandalore's sugestions are good also, don't mind me. But what about him?

 

this will not happen as it would be recieved badly, and some of the features suggested here would compete with Galaxies, and that is something LA would never allow.

But we're NOT LA, and we're NOT the game developers now are we?

 

Heck, Vlad you really need to be just glad you have the visuals you do in KOTOR, as it is the flashiest computer RPG I have seen... in most of the classics you walked in only 4 directions and combat was a monster or two appearing on the screen in front of you, and the actual combat was not even seen, just numbers on the bottom of the screen until either you or the monster was dead, if you lived you collected the treasure from the dead opponent, nothing was actually seen by the player, just a list of things gotten from the dead opponent. If you can, try to picture this in your head the next time you are playing KOTOR!

HEH! It's obivous that you've never played Neverwinter Nights or Morrowind.

 

Most of the ideas are like yours are, wanting elements included in the game that have no place in the game... some of you are asking for things as bad as for example; making GTA: Vice City II and instead of using the GTA engine making it using the D20 rules and the KOTOR Engine... you would have proverbial rioting in the streets! People would be saying all sorts of negative things, and many would not buy it, your adding FPS elements to KOTOR III suggestions are actually very much akin to this example.

*Phrp...* What difference does it make what I say? No ones going to mind what I say anyway. They do what the hell they want, so why are you worried about what I say?

 

While I have no problem with a wishlist of things people want to see in KOTOR III, I originally posted what I did to attempt to educate people on what was likely possible in the current RPG format, not to say their ideas were junk or bad.

Isn't it obvious that mine are junk and they are bad. Most of the people know at least something about classic RPG, while I know NOTHING. So why are you wasting your time and energy on a$$holes like me?

 

The fact remains that we are all bratty children when it comes to games of any genre (true fact, proven theory), when they give us something to sweep us of our feet, we ask for more and more and more... And whenever someone expresses they're idea for improving the game, EVERYONE turns offensive to destroy the credibility of that individual, so that he/she won't ruin they're picture of an awsome RPG, FPS, RTS, etc... Some want to follow the rules which apply to what they have been given; some want to break those rules; some want to make new rules; and some want to change those rules.

 

In any case, it's an endless conflict.

 

I will only put up one more argument to confirm at least some of anyones claims. Depending on the opinion you have for the team which made this, will determen will you agree with this. Read the quote below...

 

Originally from the GameSpot Review of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

The combat and the dialogue are the two main elements of Knights of the Old Republic. Other than these activities, you'll find yourself running from place to place, but you'll have little interaction with the environment other than being able to open footlockers and other objects that contain goodies.

 

That's my last argument...

 

You can all continue discussing what should change in KOTOR. But since I am an IGNORANT JERK, I will withdraw, and if my sugestions extend further than: "New and more animations, vehicles and strategy"; you have the full right to ban me.

 

Dixie...

 

*Sits on a chair, crosses his arms and turns his head... *

[Vladimir-Vlada]

Announcment:

 

Narrator : Debate won by RedHawkes Classic RPG Conglomerate...

 

*Everyone cheer, RedHawkes group: RedHawke, lukeiamyourdad and stingerhs high five each other and yell: "Who are the rulers?", the narrator also smiles... *

 

Narrator : Debate lost by Vladimir-Vlada's Progressive RPG/FPS/RTS Party...

 

*Everyone yells: "BOO!" and start throwing rocks at him, the narrator stares at him with hate... *

 

*Vladimir-Vlada approaches RedHawke, while all the Moderators and everyone else keeps booing him and throwing rocks at him... He doesn't pay attention to any of them and shakes hands with RedHawke... *

 

-I congratulate you on your victory RedHawke- said with a smile of respect.

 

*RedHawke removes his hand from Vladimir-Vlada's palm and looks at him with hate... *

 

-Beat it! You uneducated piece of S*IT!-

-Right... -

 

*Vladimir-Vlada leaves the room with his head bent down, while the others keep booing him and throwing rocks at him... *

[tsunamipunk]

In KOTOR 3, should combat change?

 

No. This is a RPG. The combat should reflect this.

 

I would like to see an UNARMED combat system like the one in GTA:SA or Jade Empire. ONLY FOR UNARMED COMBAT.

 

Button mashing gets very repetitive very quickly. While GTA:SA is a rightously fun game, it's combat leaves much to be desired, mainly the unarmed combat.

 

For Lightsaber fights, I want a new system (D20 is getting a little old).

 

D20 is essential for the game to feel like KOTOR. A new graphics engine with new and improved combat animations would be real cool, but the combat itself should retain the d20 system.

[jblue789]

Just so you know, I haven't read all the posts (at least, not in detail). Here's my simple little idea for combat:

 

As many others have said, keep the system, but make it more visually nice. It would be nice, if, for whenever you go into combat (or just some of the more important fights or something) it goes into a cinematic-type mode. I'm not talking about actual cinematics that you'll see in games, more like a movie-style camera moving. And the AI would react in ways so that the fights look like movie kinda fights. Of course, you'd still command what your characters do, and their fighting styles. Your characters and such would move in different ways, and, while moving, anyone that shoots or attacks them will obviously get a pretty big penalty to their attack.

 

Basically, it'll just be doing loads of stuff, guided by the D20 system and your commands, moving around, dodging, actually MOVING around in melee fights... and that stuff. If you don't understand anything I had just said, good for you. I'm not sure if I quite understand what I'm saying, but, it works in my head. :/

[THE MANDALORE]

^^^^

 

Thats a good idea.

 

If you get into a fight into a cantina, the other patrons should react and panic.

[jblue789]

@THE MANDALORE =O That's a nice idea too! It's kind of annoying how most NPCs don't react at all except sometimes standing there and crying. *imagines a riot against Republic soldiers in some random city... for some reason*

[RedHawke]

Vlad, buddy if you think being called uneducated equates to "IGNORANT JERK" then you really have some growing up to do...

 

Also your so called rebuttals, once again fly off into the realms of personal fantasy, your answers tell me you have read nothing I have said, and you say nothing about the actual subject. Other than now attempting to make me out as a bad guy here. "That big bad RedHawke is being a big meanie, and is trying to smash poor Vlad's views of the way KOTOR 3 should be." WTF???

 

While I see you conceeded, I think?

 

Narrator : Debate won by RedHawkes Classic RPG Conglomerate...

 

*Everyone cheer, RedHawkes group: RedHawke, lukeiamyourdad and stingerhs high five each other and yell: "Who are the rulers?", the narrator also smiles... *

 

Narrator : Debate lost by Vladimir-Vlada's Progressive RPG/FPS/RTS Party...

 

*Everyone yells: "BOO!" and start throwing rocks at him, the narrator stares at him with hate... *

 

*Vladimir-Vlada approaches RedHawke, while all the Moderators and everyone else keeps booing him and throwing rocks at him... He doesn't pay attention to any of them and shakes hands with RedHawke... *

 

-I congratulate you on your victory RedHawke- said with a smile of respect.

 

*RedHawke removes his hand from Vladimir-Vlada's palm and looks at him with hate... *

 

-Beat it! You uneducated piece of S*IT!-

-Right... -

 

*Vladimir-Vlada leaves the room with his head bent down, while the others keep booing him and throwing rocks at him... *

Either way you really shouldn't get so worked up about this, after all it is only a game we are talking about here, and people with views differing from yours are not automatically an enemy. Peace!

[Commas]

is ED displaying... compasion?? perhaps i've entered a strange parellel dimension where black is down and up is smurf--!

 

no, no wait, there was a kitten in my eye... please, carry-on

 

anyway, yeah, new animations, same system. i liked ED's idea of the fights being more cinematic, saber locks, moving characters. since all the combat technically happens in the background and what we are actually watching has absolutely no effect on what is happening i don't see why we can't make it look a little nicer. especially since (hopefully) there will be a graphic engine upgrade.

[ChAiNz.2da]

"That big bad RedHawke is being a big meanie..."

that should be your new custom title Red... you big bad poopy-head.. hehehe...

[TheOssusKeeper]

sooo funnny... i agree with chainz, shame on you RedHawke... jk...

Really, i'd like to see a more Jedi Academy style fight/combat system, where you can make your PC do the differ. types of stunts and saber styles... I really don't have much of an opinion about the rest of the game, as long as the story and gameplay stay about the same... I would like to see a more universal (updated) graphics engine also... actually, i'd like to see a little better story (more cohesive, better continuity) also...

[RedHawke]

^^^^

*Picks up both ChAiNz and TOK and hurls them down a nearby main power shaft... hears their screams on the way down and sees the blue flash as the main reactor doesn't seem to agree with them...*

 

Ahh now I feel better!

 

is ED displaying... compasion??

I believe so...

 

*Looks quickly to see if this ED has a goatee...*

[ChAiNz.2da]

*Picks up both ChAiNz and TOK and hurls them down a nearby main power shaft... hears their screams on the way down and sees the blue flash as the main reactor doesn't seem to agree with them...*

 

Ahh now I feel better!

LOL!

 

oh man, and I just did laundry... I'm never going to get these scorch marks out! hehehe...

----------------

 

Anywho... as far as the topic goes what was it again?.. oh yeah!

I'd personally like to keep the combat system the way it is.. I'm in it for the story, not button-mashing. Besides, my wrists can't handle it (damn carpel tunnels & minor arthritis) ...

 

BUT, I can agree with the others about seeing new animations, or even 'specific' animations depending on what style of combat and/or Forms a player decides to use. Yeah, I can hear the devs now cursing my name, but tough..

 

New animations not only would be super-sweet to have.. but it would satisfy (or at least curb) the 'heat' they took from including them with the Jedi Masters, but not the actual player...

 

Seems to me it might also act as an incentive to learn and perhaps even "use" the Forms included. My characters most often times now stay with "Jedi Support" and "Force Channel" all the time. New animations might make me sway to the new forms even if it were just for the "eyecandy" factor

[dryserg]

First of all - Red - I did`nt say the combat system was bad, but

the visuals.

next: I love RPGs and I dont think that it shold be some press- botton combo -moves game -- no!!!!

on contrary I think that the game should stick to some background running engine - no problem with that.

 

what needs to change its the lightsaber combat system and here I explain myself:

 

We all know, what defines a player on RPG: its the stats, level, and items.

 

I think for a starwars game there must be a NEW REVOLUTionary concept

which is --- FIGHTING STYLE -

just think of it - different schools of lightsaber fighting where you learn

along as the game progesses, moves you like and chose to adopt along the way, an all new tree of progress in your lightsaber mastery,

including speed, grace, fury..

all that as a part of creating an RPG character

I think it must be in 2006 RPG game now its time for it,

not just items and numbers - but developing unique combat style.

finaly its time for all thease things to be interconnected:

hi dexterity = athletic shape character formed

hi strength = bulkier character

hi stealth = the character moves are more descrete.

I mean stats change the way the charcter looks - moves - fights - even walks!

(the way we seen in light dark side transition) for every stat actual influence

on the visuals in the game, come on guys!!!

its 2006!!! look at the technology the time of diablo and NWN1 is over!!!

and i didnt say i wanted an FPS no! I want all new looking best graphic engine based best combat engine based RPG!

and forgive for my english.

[Vladimir-Vlada]

Vlad, buddy if you think being called uneducated equates to "IGNORANT JERK" then you really have some growing up to do...

What?! What did I do? I just called myself like that. If this situation occured in my country, I would have recieved this title: "Ignorant Jerk". And yes, such situations occured many times.

 

Also your so called rebuttals, once again fly off into the realms of personal fantasy, your answers tell me you have read nothing I have said, and you say nothing about the actual subject. Other than now attempting to make me out as a bad guy here. "That big bad RedHawke is being a big meanie, and is trying to smash poor Vlad's views of the way KOTOR 3 should be." WTF???

You think that I posted that to make you look like the bad guy? :rofl:

 

HE HE! :gigle1: You people really need to lighten up a little. You're just taking what I said too seriously. Why, if I posted this on the Forums in my country, the users would be LAUGHING their a$$es off for a week. Then they would post coments like: "Get a life..." or "You just made my day!" or maybe even "If I encounter a less known comedian in the street, I'll know that's you." You are really taking that too seriously.

 

So if I insulted you, I apologise...

 

Now back on topic:

 

As many others have said, keep the system, but make it more visually nice. It would be nice, if, for whenever you go into combat (or just some of the more important fights or something) it goes into a cinematic-type mode. I'm not talking about actual cinematics that you'll see in games, more like a movie-style camera moving. And the AI would react in ways so that the fights look like movie kinda fights. Of course, you'd still command what your characters do, and their fighting styles. Your characters and such would move in different ways, and, while moving, anyone that shoots or attacks them will obviously get a pretty big penalty to their attack.

 

Great idea.

[Emperor Devon]

 

I believe so...

 

*Looks quickly to see if this ED has a goatee...*

 

Displaying compassion? Not neccessarily. I've just noticed that when Vladimir loses debates he tends to go into self-inflicted bans. He has created many interesting threads in the past, and if he bans himself, he can't create more of them.

 

RedHawke, you're just a softie! You stated in one thread that you would choose the Light Side over the Dark Side in real life!

 

And no, I don't have a goatee.

 

Say I'm displaying compassion one more time and I'll send a hundred Sith Marauders to burn your home to the ground. You will live out your days on a torure rack in my flagship.

[JediWatchman]

All above should be controlled with both keyboard and mouse (Included jumpping).

 

 

Don't forget about XBOX users like me.