Mace MacLeod Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Just a joke, RC...geez...I mean c'mon, if you created an entire galaxy for a species and they wiped themselves out before even making it to the next planet over, wouldn't you be choked? It's like a housewife who spends all day putting together a five-course meal only to watch her husband pop in the door at suppertime, shove a bun in his mouth, and then go tottering back to the pub. Whole lotta work down the drain for nothing... Something people also tend to overlook when ascribing theological aspects to this kind of debate is just how old our species is in relation to the universe. Humans have existed in their present form for, what, 50,000 years give or take? This is going by the fossil record on this planet. Yeah okay, we could have been put here/grown here/beamed down by some alien race, but thus far there's no shred of evidence supporting this. Now, as near as we can figure it, the Universe exploded into being ~14-15 billion years ago. Our species has only existed for one 280,000th of the entire time this Universe stuff has been going on. We're a split-second, blink-and-you-miss-it event in terms of cosmological time. "Greetings, Marklar! I come in Marklar! Oh, Marklar..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSR Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 so what is the general opinion of things atm? Are there more believers here or not? a poll would be helpful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Just a joke, RC...geez...I mean c'mon, if you created an entire galaxy for a species and they wiped themselves out before even making it to the next planet over, wouldn't you be choked? It's like a housewife who spends all day putting together a five-course meal only to watch her husband pop in the door at suppertime, shove a bun in his mouth, and then go tottering back to the pub. Whole lotta work down the drain for nothing... i'd agree with that, and it's highly likely that we wipe ourselves out sometime in the near future too. @ venom: i think a poll would be good. heads up, mods! Nanoo Nanoo ~ ChAiNz.2da Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta_Folee Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Originally Posted by RC 1162 the only reason they have'nt tried to contact us though, must be because either: 1) they heard of Bush That's all I need to hear! I'm convinced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Here's some evidenceWhat are you ****ting me? Please learn to evaluate your sources when you research things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaggles Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 You brought up a good point about there being billions of stars and each one having it's own group of planets (some more and some less than 9). But just a question. I saw some one say there was life on other planets but it wasn't intelligent. What life is this? Just wondering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 NOW what am I going to do for entertainment over the next 20 billions years...?!" Create a new heaven and new earth sorry, just had to make that joke;) We now return you to your regularly scheduled deophobic discussion:) @Yaggles, That would be animals, plants, bacteria, etc. It depends on where you draw the line of "intelligence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 @Yaggles, That would be animals, plants, bacteria, etc. It depends on where you draw the line of "intelligence". Well, wherever the line is drawn, a few of the people who come to our office apparently are way below it. Patient: "Yeah, I've got an eye infection." Me: "How long?" "Oh, about 2 or 3 weeks." "You wearing your contacts right now?" "Yeah, I sleep in them. I ran out of contact lens solution about a month ago. I couldn't afford it because I bought this cool new 200 inch plasma TV." "You have to take it out." "What? I won't be able to see out of my right eye when I go out on Saturday night." "Well, if you don't take it out and treat this nasty infection, you won't be seeing much out of your right eye for the rest of your life." "But glasses make me look ugly!" "Well, I gotta tell you, the stuff that's coming out of your eye right now is not doing anything for your 'look'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Yes I believe life exists out side planet earth however next time try the search funtion http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=157571 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediKnight707 Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 Huh! That's odd. You'd think that I'd remember that thread, seeing as how I was the first to reply to it. And I did search for aliens (I think). My mind exists but what about my body, world around me? How do you know that there are another planets, because someone has told you so! I think it was RJM that made a thread about this awhile ago. The only answer to your question is: We don't know that there are other planets or that we are real or anything like that. I mean, how the hell do I know that I'm not dreaming right now? What if I wake up and I'm four years old, or 98 years old and on my death bed? What are you ****ting me? Please learn to evaluate your sources when you research things. It convinced me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I believe that there is life out there somewhere. I believe that we have been visited in the past, and they ocassionally visit now. However, I think they sit back and watch. I don't believe that they have interfered with mankind in our recent history. When it comes to Roswell and anything past 1947, I think the UFOs that we see as civilians is the U.S. government playing with new toys. I don't think that Aliens have visited us for some time. I do believe that at some point in our history, mankind was not as paranoid as we are now. After we became a paranoid species, I think they may have decided to watch us from a distance. Added: Expanded::: I think the A-Bomb, The Cold War, World War I & II, and War on Terror would scare off any outside species. I think these occurances have changed the mentality of mankind in a way, which any outside force would have to consider when visiting Earth. I do believe that we were visited at some point, and they may have contacted mankind. I personally think that aliens made contact with mankind up until the U.S. started to settle into place. Humanity started to engulf most of the Earth, and we began to dabble into dangerous territory. Weapons became larger and deadlier, paranoia of who we are as a soiciety, conflicts became more intense, and electronic-technology revolution started. Remember, we are not as technologically advanced as we think we are. Only the way we handle information has changed. Not to mention the religious impact that could occur. Imagine an alien species showing up tomorrow. How would religion change? I think any intellegent species would know about these implications. I don't believe in the existance of alians, and I'll tell you why. . . God loved us enough to create a place perfect for us to live. So why is it so hard to believe that he could have created the entire Universe just for us to explore? Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Further on in the first chapter of Genesis, it states all of the things God created. Ailens or life forms beyond are own planet are not amongst them. I am not underestimating God in any way, but I believe that he created the entire galaxy just for us. This is my own belief, and I am in no way forcing it on anyone. There is nothing wrong with believing in a fundamental view of god. I also believe there are fundamentals that are important. However, I don't believe that God made the universe for just us. Gallaleo (sp?) was hung by the Catholic Church for telling everyone that the Earth revolved around the sun. At one point, we believed that the Earth was the center of the galaxy. It was once believed that the world was flat, and it took us time to get over that idea. If anything, sicence has proven the existance of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 If anything, sicence has proven the existance of God. What??? When did it do that??? Tell me, please, I really want to see some hard evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Not only has science found God, He comes in different flavours! See? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'm as skeptical as you, Mace, but if MacLeodGR knows of some scientific evidence, I'd very much like to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 i think MacLeodGR may be referring to Angels and Demons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 ^^^^ I should have used the words. 'Theoretically'. I apologize for the incomplete thought. The Big Bang Theory are similar to Genisus. At some point in the creation of the universe, according to Genisus, God said, "Let there be light." The unexplainable stuff in the Big Bang theory is God's work. Otherwords, scientists have been trying to explain, "How did God do it?" Eventually, we will find a scientific explaination, but there will allways be on piece that we can't solve. I call if the God factor. The String Theory of creation trys to explain the beginning in quantim mechanics. At the smallest mircoscopic level, there is a belief that tiny unseen forces created the universe, and is still in control now. Both theories have not been proven; thus, they are only theories. However, they do have something in common. They try to explain how the universe cam into existance. The Big Bang theory scratches the surface, and the Sting theory trys to explain the mechanics beneath. I think that mankind will finally learn how things were created, but they will allway be searching for one missing element. What made it all come together? God. -------------------------------- I believe that Aliens were created by god as well. It would be nieve to think we are the only species that god has allowed to evolve. Of course this goes against the fundamentalism of religion and science. Remember, the world itsn't flat, and the Earth is not the center of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 @Mace, The Catholic Church makes me look sane:xp: Well, wether life evolves or not, knowledge does increase over time and tecnology grows along with it. So this begs the question...If aliens are more technologically developed than us did they ever use some form of automobile, and do they preserve vintage hot rods, muscle cars, and low riders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Not only has science found God, He comes in different flavours! See? Oh, that's bad. I'm intrigued by the Intelligent Design theory that's come out fairly recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Of course this goes against the fundamentalism of religion and science. i can understand religion, but how science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 The hardest thing to prove is one that doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 in which case, you can make one and prove it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 i can understand religion, but how science? I believe that some scientists try to disregard God's hand in the creation of things. Not all scientist believe in god, but a more extreme nature of scientific facts and theories. There are people who are so fundamental on their beliefs and disbeliefs, which they leave no room for 'infinite coallation'. -------------------------- One thing I just thought about, which I want to clearify. Just because one gains the ability to travel through space, this does not make them intellegent or good. I believe there could be species that move through technological stages, which they have no retrain as to its consequences. This would make them reckless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I have a proof that god cannot exist. God is almighty, isn't he? But if he is almighty, can he create a stone he himself can't lift? If he can, he is not almighty. If he can't he is not almighty either. Or what about that: God cant be almighy, all-knowing and "good". If he is almighty and all knowing he cant be good because he would then permit no crimes. If he he is good and all knowing, he is not almighty. If he is good and almighty he cant be all knowing. I don't want to offend anyone, I myself believe in god, this is just a rather famous paradoxon and it can even be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 ^^^^ I would like to answer your question, but we would be going against the topic of this thread. Your paradox is interesting, but it really is not one. Use your post and open up a new topic. After I see your topic, I will answer your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revans disciple Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 In case it's just simply impossible that there are some walls at the edge of the univese, it means the universe will never end so a better question would be can someone prove there is NOT life outside earth. There has to be. Even if it's randomized that is there life essence in other galaxies and/or planets, there must be a point where there IS life, because there are infinitely many of the chances of life. If there isn't life outside, how could there be life HERE? So my answer is simply: yes. Oh, and what if it's better that there isn't too much population on Earth, (I'm referring to that god isn't good thing). I mean, without crimes there would be more people, less resources, and less space on our planet. Almost like Kreia said: The galaxy needs it's betrayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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