TiE23 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/moral-kombat/clips-moral-kombat-the-video-game-violence-documentary-225876.php It's basically Bowling for Columbine meets video games. Just see if if you haven't already. Things: - I played my first M-Rated game when I was 8 (Unreal) and I didn't like it, it scared me, not scarred. I remember watching my dad play Hexen, Doom and Blood, scary stuff for me, now it's just funny. - This quote just about wraps-up their argument: "We literally enter into a world that is so realistic, that we forget it is a make believe world. Now, we're not there yet, but we keep getting closer." Wow... yeah, I always thought that carrying around a keyboard and typing ~ god would make me invincible until I jumped off the roof, that hurt. - "Our culture is going to accept a different level of violence, whether it be film, television, or video games." Well, yeah. It's kinda like a naturally violent outlet where we used to kill people we hated, now we just watch movies of people who do. - One point they mention that Microsoft Flight Simulator can be used to fly planes one has never been in before and fly them into buildings. Right... So we should ruin the fun of tens of thousands of people by removing flight simulators cause of some hunch. How about we ban all racing games, people crash them. Is it just me, or are we going to be suffering a Fahrenheit 451 sort of situation with video games... Edit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 These people are retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 You realize who that was saying "we've always recognized violence as a vice, and not as a virtue," right? Yep, that's Jack Thompson. This movie already fails. Oh, and hey Lieberman, it has a ratings system, it's called the ESRB. There's a new show on the Discovery HD channel called "Gamer Generation." I watched the last 10-20 minutes of it last night. It was pretty painful. They had Jack Thompson on there, he was talking about all the school shootings he blames on video games. They also had one of those brain studies. Same story: "These studies show that while playing first-person shooter games, gamers have aggressive brain activity. However, there is no link between aggressive brain activity and aggressive behavior." They also showed games that are more than 5 years old, talking about how realistic they are, like usual. I'll have to see if I can catch the whole thing, see if they completely ignore the negative effects of sports, the ESRB, or the positive effects of video games, like usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Why can't we make the Puritans leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Hm, it looks fairly objective to my eyes. Had it been a message to ban video games the trailer that was linked to would have made that message very clear, as Fahrenheit 911 and bowling for columbine did. Those movie trailers didn't end with, "are school shooting to be blamed on the irresponsibility of gun manufacturers?". No. The trailer told you that it was. Therefore, this seems to be a fairly objective take on the situation. And saying Jack Thompson's mere presence in the movie makes it fail is immature and biased. It is clear to me that both sides of the argument are going to be taken into consideration, hence Lieberman and Thompson as well as some industry members. Oh, and seriously, some video games are really sick and disgusting, no matter how you say that "it doesn't affect me" everything affects everyone good or bad so you can't simply nullify their arguments by saying "bah idiots, they have no idea what they're talking about" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebbers Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 What else is new? Until Thompson, Lieberman, and who ever else on the "Ban Violent Video Games" bandwagon, actuallly succeed in banning them, I'm going to keep on playing my sweet sweet violent games. And just an observation, did you see the size of the Xbox controller the kid was holding? That controller right there should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Hm, it looks fairly objective to my eyes. Had it been a message to ban video games the trailer that was linked to would have made that message very clear, as Fahrenheit 911 and bowling for columbine did. Those movie trailers didn't end with, "are school shooting to be blamed on the irresponsibility of gun manufacturers?". No. The trailer told you that it was. Therefore, this seems to be a fairly objective take on the situation. And saying Jack Thompson's mere presence in the movie makes it fail is immature and biased. It is clear to me that both sides of the argument are going to be taken into consideration, hence Lieberman and Thompson as well as some industry members. Oh, and seriously, some video games are really sick and disgusting, no matter how you say that "it doesn't affect me" everything affects everyone good or bad so you can't simply nullify their arguments by saying "bah idiots, they have no idea what they're talking about" Have you heard the insane things Jack Thompson has said? Even the crap he's done in court? His opinion shouldn't even be included. I don't see how you could say it seems fairly objective after watching that trailer. Tell me, where was the counter-argument? What do you see about that trailer that isn't biased? Oh, and I don't deny there are some sick video games out there. There are some games I don't play just on principle. But I have to disagree with the "everything effects everyone" thing. It might "effect" you but what does that really amount to? If a video game "effects" me I might hit the computer table with my fist or something when I lose, but I won't go out and shoot people. Also, no one ever looks at sports. They hook gamer's heads up to brain scanners and look at the "aggressive" readings in the brain. $10 bucks if you could do the same thing to someone playing football, you'd get higher readings of the same thing. And once again, does the fact that it effects you in some way really matter? Isn't that why we play games in the first place, to do something exciting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 There was no argument, it was simply an advertisement for a film. I didn't say any clear cut side taken and even though Jack Thompson is arguably insane, he and Lieberman and Hillary clinton are the the "head honchos" so to speak of the movement and to not include them would to appear one sided. I didn't mean that every effect of being affected would be a violent response but meant that it was a response, even in the smallest amounts, a good example being your pounding of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 There was no argument, it was simply an advertisement for a film. I didn't say any clear cut side taken and even though Jack Thompson is arguably insane, he and Lieberman and Hillary clinton are the the "head honchos" so to speak of the movement and to not include them would to appear one sided. I didn't mean that every effect of being affected would be a violent response but meant that it was a response, even in the smallest amounts, a good example being your pounding of the table. And once again, why should it matter? Why should we be worried if something effects us? And how can you possibly say there was no argument in that trailer? Every second of that trailer bleeds anti-videogame. "Video games were used to train terrorists" "we forget we're playing a video game because they're so realistic" "we accept a new level of violence" I could pick out argumentative quotes from that trailer all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I'd like to see them try to take down an industry that's grown beyond the movie industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWally Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I'd like to see them try to take down an industry that's grown beyond the movie industry. I laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerd_Annhilator Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I suggest we ban everything. Then nobody can cause harm to anybody. I call for a ban on negative thoughts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I laugh. At...? The movie industry is still virtually unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 There was no argument, it was simply an advertisement for a film. ar·gu·ment /ˈɑrgyəmənt/ [ahr-gyuh-muhnt] –noun - a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: They were deeply involved in an argument about inflation. - an address or composition intended to convince or persuade; persuasive discourse. RoxStar, I'm pretty sure we all know what this movie is about. It's definitely not about how great games are, that's for sure. Also, I'd love to sit down with JT and have him watch me play games. I'd play Twilight Princess, Shadow of the Colossus, Half Life 2, and Oblivion and dare him to say they aren't cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterRoss08 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 SIgh this is plain typical finding the blame game to all the violence that kids,adults etc due in this world. NEver does this guy meantion parents involvment on these kids' descisions to let them play these games(same with movies). No you wont see this guy go after parents will you? Never in his life. All these school shootings and any other violent or whatever these kids get themselves into. Where are the parents or legal guardians I say. If these people go after video games in general what about movies? Movies have been going closer to a century. A century of showing violence . If theres anyone to blame its the parents in my oppinion. There duty to teach there kids right from wrong. A duty to prepare them for society. A duty to make there kids acceptable into society. Plus there parents can simply say no to video games. I admit to playing video games everyday. Most of them have some form of violence. But it doesnt change my attitude of how I should act in society. I am no idiot to be shooting up schools,robbing and other various crimes in are society. And why do I think this way? Because of how my parents have brought me up. I admit that some video games are to violent in my oppinion. Some dont need to have as much violent content in my oppinion but I avoid them in general. Which should be up to the parents on what video games there children play if they alow them to. Going after video games is like going after movies and anything else that depicts violence from books to tv shows etc. Movies and tv have been accepted in are society I cant see why video games cant as well. BUt because of some poeple playing the blame game for all these school shootings on video games are society wont be changing by going after video games. The answer is to educate parents(the ones that need it) Ps no offence to any good parents out there. I am just going after parents that dont care or play careless when it comes to there children. I feel as though parents need to be involved in childrens lives through teaching, example etc (which parents do but some do need some help) Since what is the real answer why some kids are shooting fellow students up at schools or other various forms of crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 I say that kids who shoot-up schools have ****ed-up minds, not just ****ed-up games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermie Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Do notice that they never say "violent video games", just "video games". And every single clip is from one of the violent games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hill987 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Why can't we make the Puritans leave? It isn't a good idea, it was done in Plymouth many years ago, they just made their own country and are now trying to force their beliefs on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterRoss08 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 It isn't a good idea, it was done in Plymouth many years ago, they just made their own country and are now trying to force their beliefs on the world. Hey cant you imagine what this world would be like without america? Home of the free Im pretty much sure these people against video games dont stop to wonder whats the parents involvment in there kids lives since they jsut keep bashing andbashing video games. And not only do children play video games as well adults play video games as well and these games that are rated mature rating are not meant for little kids to be playing. There is a ESRB rating system. A guide for parents for if theres any certain game that they dont want there kids to be playing. But I feel as though some parents dont care about ratings they just let there child play whatever video game (not caring about the rating) to there hearts content. Which could have a detrimental affect on the childs attitude etc. If theres anything these people should be going after its parents in general. THousands of kids play video games everyday. You dont see thousands of school shootings do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I'm so relieved that these old rich men can enlighten the public on the subject of video games. Rarely has mankind been subject to something this evil. I hope they'll reveal the true murderous nature of the cold blooded killers known as "gamers" once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I watched that for about 5 seconds, then I had to turn it off. Complete bull****. -EDIT- @Commander Obi-Wan What was I thinking that day? I wrote minutes when I meant seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Just last night I murdered 20 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I watched that for about 5 minutes, then I had to turn it off. Complete bull****. It's like 2 minutes and 40 seconds. But, I do agree that it is complete bull****. The games haven't effected me. Neither many of the people I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebbers Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 The games haven't effected me. Neither many of the people I know. Games have the opposite effect on me. When I need to relax(at least for me it's relaxing), I just pop in a game I've beaten and put it on the easy setting. This way I make sure I can easily win and it won't make me more stressed. But that's my home remedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 This movie s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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