Negative Sun Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 It certainly looks better than anything I've seen for JA, and I've tried out a few mods in my day, especially SP ones... The SP campaign on this looks quite promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 @TK: Are you *sure*? If he has their permission...Or if he has recreated their work without reusing their stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 @TK: Are you *sure*? I'm certain. If you look at this mod, most all of the material that appears, if not all of it, has been made by various authors and is already available for download if you search on the major file sites (PCGM, JK3Files, LucasFiles, etc.) If he has their permission... He might has permission for SOME of the stuff... but considering the vast amount of material he is using, it's hard to believe that he would have permission from EVERY author whose material he is using. A lot of pro modders in the JA community think that what this guy is going is unacceptable. Just look at the credits page on his site. Not a single author credited for their material. Or if he has recreated their work without reusing their stuff... That's certainly not what he's doing. I can recognize most all of this stuff just looking at screenshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I'm certain. If you look at this mod, most all of the material that appears, if not all of it, has been made by various authors and is already available for download if you search on the major file sites (PCGM, JK3Files, LucasFiles, etc.) He might has permission for SOME of the stuff... but considering the vast amount of material he is using, it's hard to believe that he would have permission from EVERY author whose material he is using. A lot of pro modders in the JA community think that what this guy is going is unacceptable. Just look at the credits page on his site. Not a single author credited for their material. That's certainly not what he's doing. I can recognize most all of this stuff just looking at screenshots. If you read the page at the back, there's actually not that many people to gain permission from - it seems to be largely drawn from a limited number of people - furthermore, he may well have got permission from everyone - assumptions like that are unhelpful and only spread misinformation. Fact is, you don't know he doesn't have permission, and if he doesn't, I suggest you ask him about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 And so what if he doesn't? What are they gonna do sue him for making a mod that pwns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 What are they gonna do sue him for making a mod that pwns? No, but they will scream at him, for stealing their work. It is highly unethical for someone to steal stuff (mostly because if everyone can steal other people's work, there is no incentive to actually make anything). Even if one can make a point that he didn't make the mod, he just steal from everyone else who made that mod that pwns. Don't worry, I wouldn't be suprised if they DID get premission. And if they didn't, they deserve the screaming, since it would be quite easy to gain premission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Even when this mod was starting off in 2003, there were already concerns over the legality and ethics behind it. A quick Google search of "kotf permission" comes across numerous discussions on different forums regarding the issue. http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=111614 http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=111280 http://forums.filefront.com/showthread.php?t=263974 http://forums.filefront.com/showthread.php?t=285279 Those are just a few of them. Search LF for even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 KOTF : KNIGHTS OF THE FORCE We are asking permission for all authors. There is a support group is ….. We like to se you with us so we can create bigger and more entertaining mode. We have thanked list in the mode. Also author names will be in package such as MAP Creators: Each author name will be wrote right corner on the map as well as in the readme file. Also there name will be appear setup screen in KOTF and credit list will be in KOTF web site. Skin Creators: Author name will be given to each skin. For example: Zam Wesell-NeoMarsl. And of course there name will be appear in setup file and credit list on the web page. Mod and New Level Creators: All authors name will be appeared in KOTF. Screenshot’s ever new section has there own author name on right corner on the scene. Also the author name will be appeared in credit list and readme file. What's that all about then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 That's certainly not what he's doing. I can recognize most all of this stuff just looking at screenshots. Well, if I create a Vader model, and another guy creates a Vader model, I think they'll look somewhat similar. I mean, modelling characters that have already been featured in movies is not like you have to apply your creativity and make up new stuff. There is only Vader after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Guy admitted that he "compiled" all the other mods together to make this uber-mod. My respect for this mod has dropped...very considerbly. If I had JKA, I'll download it, but I will state that it is not HE who made the mod, but rather, the Modding Community. Oh, and here's a quote from someone that adequately explain my position. I don't post here much, but my fellow Massassians brought this to my attention, so I felt that I should post this. TimFX. You can't just take other peoples' work without their permission... let me make an analogy. What you're doing is basically similar to ripping off Shakesphere... anyone in this community can tell you're doing it. Now, the way I see it, you have four options: You can contact each and every one of the authors, asking for explicit permission to use their material in your game. Then, their name should appear in-game somewhere in a credits listing, or near the material they allowed you to use. If an author says "No", (which many might, seeing as you tried to pass off all this as your work in the very first post, and didn't admit it until confronted with the fact), you remove their material from your mod. I suspect from what I already heard you don't want to do this. You remove ALL material not made by yourself, and make something yourself. I suspect you don't want to do this either. Publish this without any changes, permantly losing all respect from anyone who downloads it, and having it immediately removed from all download locations by various people, including gothicX and maybe myself. You would also be permabanned from anywhere you posted it. This SEEMS to be the path you have been on... Drop the whole thing. Somehow I don't think you want this one... The choice is yours. It common sense. If people are allowed to claim other people's intellecutal property, I have no incentive to actually make intellectual property. Growth stagants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 All I know about KotF is that most of the work isn't his own (so, in essence, what's all the hype about?) and the author has actively reaped profits from this mod, which is illegal. Due to such behaviors, I certainly won't be supporting this mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Thanks for the links and the heads-up, TK. It appears that people like yourself have known about the theft of IP for years. Why is this guy still going through with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 And so what if he doesn't? What are they gonna do sue him for making a mod that pwns? No, but it does damage the modding community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 In that case, there is no excuse for what this guy is doing, and while it might take a while longer, I'd rather download the files individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I suppose I would react more strongly as well if I were a mod maker myself...I can see their point, he should at least ask permission and give credit to the original authors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 In that case, there is no excuse for what this guy is doing, and while it might take a while longer, I'd rather download the files individually. I agree, its a shame he didn't just go and get permission really. But I won't download it out of principle especially if hes making a profit out of other mods work, which quite a side from being illegal seems quite un-ethical. Are LA not at all fussed about what hes doing considering he's been making profits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Well, if I create a Vader model, and another guy creates a Vader model, I think they'll look somewhat similar. I mean, modelling characters that have already been featured in movies is not like you have to apply your creativity and make up new stuff. There is only Vader after all. Some models specifically are very distinguished, like HapSlash's Stormtrooper. And maps are also very recognizable, because very rarely is a map almost identical to another author's map. What's that all about then? While it's good to give the credits to the authors in the readme files, very few people read those documents anyway. That's why it's required to get the permission of the author to use their material. Maybe some of you wouldn't mind a skin or a mini-mod that you might make for a game to be used at will by other people, but the thing is, it's really disrespectful to these authors who make absolutely breathtaking pieces of work, like the detailed models and maps that are being used in KotF, to just claim it in your mod as part of your work. Especially when people don't take time to read the credits, and automatically assume that the guy behind KotF must have produced these things. Which would be a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 ^Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAlex Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 If he asked them all for permission, he should list the names on his site. Instead he has given us the impression that he has done all that by himself, which is just plain wrong and mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 If he asked them all for permission, he should list the names on his site. Instead he has given us the impression that he has done all that by himself, which is just plain wrong and mean. There are 2-3 pages of credits. I noticed for 3d models he put in parenthesis' that he edited already existing models. Or that's just my assumption. I looked at the trailer on Youtube and some guy posted that this is a scam that he's dragging out just to make money from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ar4gOrN Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Alright, the copyright issues aside, is the mod any fun? I only have Jedi Academy for the Xbox right now, but this video really makes me want to find a copy for PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Dude there's like a zillion other mods out there that make it worth getting for PC, not to mention the MP version (if you can find a decent server that is), I didn't even know it was out on Xbox lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arátoeldar Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Alright, the copyright issues aside, is the mod any fun? I only have Jedi Academy for the Xbox right now, but this video really makes me want to find a copy for PC. Get some real mods like the Nina Series (JA) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Nina_Mod_15;34242 Main frame 2.0 (JO) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/The_Mainframe;3629 The Dark Alliance (JO) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/The_Dark_Alliance;7844 Vengeance of the Sith (JA) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Vengeance_of_the_Sith;30177 Dark Origins Total Conversion (JA) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Dark_Origins_Total_Conversion;34482 Colosseum Version 1.0 (JO) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Colosseum_Version_10;16736 Syndicate: Initiation (JO) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Syndicate_Initiation;30567 Project Lighthouse (1.2) (JO) http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Project_Lighthouse;19120 Jo to JA conversion http://files.filefront.com/Jedi+Outcast+Academy+conversion+patch+Version+20/;4542636;/fileinfo.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davinq Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Damn. This almost makes me want to start up SW gaming again. I think, after the workload panic is over, I'll crack open my JA CDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSI Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Legal issue is the most important thing around the universe, man. And that's a hassle. And I'm going to download the JKA mod when it comes out. Is it out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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