The Source Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 MS-VISTA: What the ... This past weekend, I purchased a brand-new computer. While in Best Buy, I tested out several machines with Vista. Every computer under 1.5ghtz of RAM was sluggish. It didn't matter if it was an HP, Dell, E-Machine, etc... They were all sluggish and just about inoperational. There is no doubt in my mind that the world is not ready for Vista. I am not sure if I should return the new computer, or if I should replace the OS with XP. I have some thinking to do. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8223184&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat103700050062&id=1166840115685 My Specs: Processor Brand AMD Athlon 64 X2 - Processor 4600+ Processor Speed --- 2.4GHz System Bus --- 2000MHz Cache Memory --- 512KB + 512KB on die Level 2 System Memory (RAM) --- 2GB System Memory (RAM) --- Expandable To 4GB Type of Memory (RAM) --- PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM Hard Drive Type Serial --- ATA (7200 rpm) Hard Drive Size --- 320GB Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE Video Memory 128MB; up to 399MB (allocated by Windows Vista) JPEG Yes Audio High-definition (8-speaker configurable) Modem 56 Kbps* *Capable of receiving 56 Kbps downloads. However, current regulations limit download speed to 53 Kbps. Network Card Built-in 10/100Base-T Ethernet (RJ-45 connector) Recordable DVD Drive Yes, double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Recordable DVD Drive Speeds 8x DVD+R DL; 4x DVD-R DL; 16x8x16 DVD+RW; 16x6x16 DVD-RW; 5x DVD-RAM; 40x32x40 CD-RW LightScribe Compatibility Yes Digital Media Reader or Slots Yes, digital media card reader Total Expansion Bays External: 1 (3.5"), 2 (5.25"); Internal: 1 (3.5") Available Expansion Bays External: 1 (5.25") Total Expansion Slots 3 PCI, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DIMM Available Expansion Slots 2 PCI, 1 PCI-E x16, 2 DIMM USB 2.0 Ports 6 (2 front, 4 rear) IEEE 1394 Ports 2 (1 front, 1 rear) Operating System Windows Vista Home Premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Mac: If I were you I'd return that PC if I could and build my own. You could build your own for roughly the same price with far greater performance-especially in the graphics department. That graphics card is pitiful. Start a thread on this subject in the tech forum and I'll put together some components for you and you can see for yourself. And yeah, stick with XP for now until Vista matures a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTV2 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 do you mean 1.5gb of ram or 1.5GHz CPU? and, every computer i tried at future shop worked fine with Vista. maybe your just a Vista hater and are looking for every excuse to 'dis it. Recommended Specs. # 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor # 1 GB of system memory # 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space # Support for DirectX 9 graphics with: * WDDM Driver * 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum) * Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware * 32 bits per pixel does Vista run sluggishly on your comp.? or have you even tried? and just build your own comp. it's easier to upgrade and cheaper in the long run. and maybe dual-boot with XP since Vista has compatibility problems with alot of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 do you mean 1.5gb of ram or 1.5GHz CPU? and, every computer i tried at future shop worked fine with Vista. maybe your just a Vista hater and are looking for every excuse to 'dis it. Recommended Specs. does Vista run sluggishly on your comp.? or have you even tried? and just build your own comp. it's easier to upgrade and cheaper in the long run. and maybe dual-boot with XP since Vista has compatibility problems with alot of things. Lol... Yeah. 1.5 Gb of RAM. I will be upgrading my graphics card soon. Most likely tonight. The industry standard is 128 MB of RAM, and all of the highend computers had it. So, I took the computer anyway. I think I have the second most powerful computer available in the market by AMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I will be upgrading my graphics card soon. Most likely tonight. Here is the best card I could find on the cheap on short notice. Infinitely better than that 6150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I really have been in need of buying a new system for a while, but I think I'll do what I always do when a new OS comes out - wait at least three months after the release until they've finally ironed all of the worst bugs out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 At this point in the game, I needed a computer about four months ago. I lost my email station in December, but that was a 512MB RAM - WinME type of machine. My production computer is a AMD 3200+, which is running WinXP - 2Gb RAM. My new computer is an AMD 64bit 4600+ Live, which has 2Gb RAM. What is kind of funny is that I am ignoring the new machine, and I am still running the older. Lol... Once I upgrade the system, I will start clicking away again. I think I had the same problem before, and all I needed to do was upgrade the RAM and Graphics Card. Lol... The G.U.I. in Windows Vista is nuts. Microsoft thought it was cute to redesignate certain features. Otherwords, they still work the same, but they have a different name. Grrr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTV2 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 I really have been in need of buying a new system for a while, but I think I'll do what I always do when a new OS comes out - wait at least three months after the release until they've finally ironed all of the worst bugs out... i don't think theres any bugs (but i could be wrong!) i just think its not compatible with alot of things yet. like mp3 players or games and software, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbieZ Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 i don't think theres any bugs (but i could be wrong!) i just think its not compatible with alot of things yet. like mp3 players or games and software, and hard drives etc. Edited. For truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Its really simple to install! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish.Stapler Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Bah, I won't be touching Vista with a ten foot pole for several years. So many things are incompatible with it right now it seems, and so many of these incompatible things are interests of mine there's no need to upgrade. Besides, it seems like it just makes the OS prettier and more noob-friendly. What (useful) features does it have that I can't get with XP or the linux I'm running on my work comp right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Its really simple to install! Oh man he really owned MS by buying a copy of Vista and shredding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Bah, I won't be touching Vista with a ten foot pole for several years. So many things are incompatible with it right now it seems, and so many of these incompatible things are interests of mine there's no need to upgrade. Besides, it seems like it just makes the OS prettier and more noob-friendly. What (useful) features does it have that I can't get with XP or the linux I'm running on my work comp right now? QFT...I have no desire to go anywhere near Vista. I will be upgrading my current computer in the next couple of months and I will be loading Windows XP on it, or possibly Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Oh man he really owned MS by buying a copy of Vista and shredding it.Guess he must have lost the receipt... And I definitely won't be upgrading to vista until I have absolutely no other alternative OS to run my essential digital life on. All reviews I've read say it's such a massive system hog, I'd need to drop a grand just to run it. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Here is the best card I could find on the cheap on short notice. Infinitely better than that 6150. lolz....dont be too harsh Q, thats only on board graphics Only people using basic workstations need such things.... the rest of us 1337 g4M3Rz need a 8950 GX, (or a 7950 GX2 for the time being ) but yes, buying a pc is officially and undeniably for mugs who like to throw away money. The quicker people educate and empower themselves to DIYPC, the more $$$ they'll save, and the more devsatating impact it will have on those scum mega retailers. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTV2 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 it seemed really confusing when i tried it. i didn't know how to do the 3D window flip thing. everything is really different and in different areas. im going to get Leopard when it comes out maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I dont get the vista bashing........ my 2 personal vista rigs and the 6 vista builds ive created for clients are more stable than xp ever was, especially in HDTV and media center apps. once again, I re-iterate: The Golden Rules when contemplating Vista 1. Dont upgrade 'OS Only' unless you want specific functionality(DX10, media center) 2. Check your component manufacturers site for vista driver upgrades. If there isnt vista support dont even bother... If you havent taken these 2 basic, common sense things into consideration and rush out and buy vista to install on your mangy p4 from 2004 - you deserve all the pain and misery coming your way ! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 well, my next compy isn't even going to be finished in the build phase for another 7-8 months on down the road (you can blame finances and my, erm, high requirements for that one, hehe). at any rate, though, i'll be installing Vista Ultimate on that machine to take advantage of the hardware that i'm planning for it (quad core AMD, SLi 8800's, 4GB DDR800, etc). besides, i figure it this way: if i can learn how to use Vista, it'll help me get a job on down the road anyways. don't start thinking that i've abandoned my plan to run Linux on that system: the system is going to have two HD's: one with Vista Ultimate and the other with Linux, probably Ubuntu Linux or Fedora Core. i haven't made up my mind yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Can you have two OS on one PC? How does that work? Is there like a switch to choose which OS to boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arátoeldar Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Can you have two OS on one PC? How does that work? Is there like a switch to choose which OS to boot? Yes You will need at least two partitions. One for each OS. For MS OSs it is very easy. First Install the older OS on your first partition. Second install the newer OS on your second partition. MS will take care of the need for a boot loader for you by doing it this way. IF you want to MS Linux dual boot. Install the MS OS on the first partition. Secondly install the Linux on the second partition. Most of the user friendly Linux will also take care of the boot loader for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTV2 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I dont get the vista bashing........ my 2 personal vista rigs and the 6 vista builds ive created for clients are more stable than xp ever was, especially in HDTV and media center apps. once again, I re-iterate: The Golden Rules when contemplating Vista 1. Dont upgrade 'OS Only' unless you want specific functionality(DX10, media center) 2. Check your component manufacturers site for vista driver upgrades. If there isnt vista support dont even bother... If you havent taken these 2 basic, common sense things into consideration and rush out and buy vista to install on your mangy p4 from 2004 - you deserve all the pain and misery coming your way ! mtfbwya or just dual-boot Vista and XP. Vista is incompatible with some things, it's sortof their fault, but also everyone else. everyone should have been ready for Vista before it came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish.Stapler Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 don't start thinking that i've abandoned my plan to run Linux on that system: the system is going to have two HD's: one with Vista Ultimate and the other with Linux, probably Ubuntu Linux or Fedora Core. i haven't made up my mind yet. I run Fedora Core on a personal work station. I don't like it, I'd switch to Ubuntu if I were you . And anyways, even if Vista is more stable, this PC is for gaming. It's got the powah to run Vista but...why? Astro, what else do you get besides marginal stability? I don't want to sacrifice game compatibility just for a somewhat less finnicky OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I run Fedora Core on a personal work station. I don't like it, I'd switch to Ubuntu if I were you . And anyways, even if Vista is more stable, this PC is for gaming. It's got the powah to run Vista but...why? Astro, what else do you get besides marginal stability? I don't want to sacrifice game compatibility just for a somewhat less finnicky OS. Exactly, unless you've got a top notch DX10 dual core etc. rig, Vista will just suck your system's resources that could be spent on other things...It might be good, but it needs affordable technology to go with it before it will fully go mainstream I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 ^^^^ well, if you didn't catch what i said earlier, i want to run 2x Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX's in SLi. those cards are designed for DX10, so that's one major consideration for me wanting to run Vista. the second reason, as stated earlier, is that i want to have an edge on my resume by being able to say that i know how to operate Vista. it's hard to say that when i don't have Vista on a computer at my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I run Fedora Core on a personal work station. I don't like it, I'd switch to Ubuntu if I were you . If you don't mind the time it takes to install and configure, I'd recommend Gentoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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