The Party Members of KOTOR 3

[JD-Rom]

^^^

Where in K2 is it implied that Jolee is dead?

 

I'm curious, as I've played through K2 many, many times and don't remember that being mentioned.

 

It's purely speculation, as even the wikia stated the uncertainty of whether he survived the Jedi Purge, the Sith Triumvirate Assassins, and/or Nihilus' consuming of all life on Katarr, since there's still no canon form of media about it.

 

I myself prefer to think that since he maintained quite a sense of neutrality, he probably left the Jedi Order again, was able to escape these things undetected, and that he ended up on some uncivilized planet bustling with life, covered in swamp gas, and filled with swamp bog and ended up living in a small, wooden hut for the remainder of his life... I mean, if Yoda and Obi-Wan, strong and practically blindingly bright in the light side of the Force and prominent Jedi, could survive a galaxy-wide Jedi purge AND a formation of a new Galactic Empire being headed by a very powerful Sith Lord who masterminded all of this, then couldn't good--er, neutral ol' Jolee Bindo? He's learned to survive in rather harsh conditions (hostile wildife, dark side energies from the Star Map, etc.) before, and he's been in risky missions (like smuggling) before, so I would say that he would have a very good, if not definite, chance of surviving. [/jolee fan theory]

[Miltiades]

1. It's implied that all Jedi, save Revan and the Jedi you meet in the game, are dead.

In the beginning of TSL, the Exile was considered the only Jedi alive. We now know that's not true. The Jedi Masters also say that other Jedi went into hiding, and left the Jedi way behind. Apparently, Deesra Luur Jada was one of the survivors, implying it's most likely other Jedi we don't hear about in TSL have survived the Jedi Purge.

 

2. As the Disciple says:

 

"...the teachings of Master Arca, the adventures of Jolee Bindo on the Rimward Missions. All of these things are in danger of being lost, forever."

 

If Jolee were alive, why would his adventures be in danger of being lost?

The Disciple was talking about what was being recorded in the Jedi Archives. Whether Jolee Bindo is dead or not, if he's not around to tell them, no one will know. Nothing here implies Jolee Bindo's dead.

[JCarter426]

The Disciple was talking about what was being recorded in the Jedi Archives. Whether Jolee Bindo is dead or not, if he's not around to tell them, no one will know. Nothing here implies Jolee Bindo's dead.

 

Well, why isn't he around to tell them?

 

Oh, and Deesra is in K2, if I recall correctly, so he falls under the category of "the Jedi you meet in the game".

 

Of course, the one person who tells us that there are no other Jedi is Kreia. When she says that all that remains of the Jedi are in the Enclave (and there aren't any there), she's probably speaking metaphorically. As I said, it's never stated in K2 that Jolee is dead. But it is implied.

[Miltiades]

Well, why isn't he around to tell them?

Uh... because he's in hiding, maybe? Or because he's just hard to find? Death isn't the only possible reason, you know.

 

Oh, and Deesra is in K2, if I recall correctly, so he falls under the category of "the Jedi you meet in the game".

I'm pretty sure Deesra's not in TSL. He's in KotOR, however.

[JCarter426]

Uh... because he's in hiding, maybe? Or because he's just hard to find? Death isn't the only possible reason, you know.

 

Yes, I get the point.

 

I'm pretty sure Deesra's not in TSL. He's in KotOR, however.

 

Isn't he the one with the kinrath gland on Dantooine?

[Bee Hoon]

Why does no one want party members of K1/K2 to unite and go tromping around looking for Revan/Exile/both? >:3

 

Would be problematic to implement though, even if I would love Exile as PC again.

[JCarter426]

Why does no one want party members of K1/K2 to unite and go tromping around looking for Revan/Exile/both? >:3

 

Well, I'm not sure if my reasons are the same as everyone else's, but...

 

The main reason I want almost all new party members is that it would be really dull to just have the same party members with the same stories that we've heard before. With K2, the entire crew was new, except for three (HK, T3, and Canderous, of course). But even they had new roles; T3 was obviously hiding something from the Exile, HK was focused on facilitating communication with the HK-50s, and Canderous' new goal was to reunite the clans. So they each had a new story to tell (or not tell).

 

Now, that's all good. And I'm sure the developers of K3 could pull it off too. But it would be much easier to just start with a (mostly) new crew.

[Miltiades]

Isn't he the one with the kinrath gland on Dantooine?

After a quick search, the Twi'lek is called Ahrnell. he was a Mercenary, by the way, so not Deesra.

[JCarter426]

My mistake.

[luckyariot]

Actually, Deestra DID survive, cause there was an entry of his, visiting the remains of the Dantooine enclave and finding the remains of the Jedi Masters, in The Essential Guide to the Force.

 

But I like the idea of a fairly long game with characters that come and go. This leaves room for some old favs, new faces, and gives us a larger number of PMs in total. But I'd prefer a few characters to remain either mentioned only or appear as NPCs, because we do need some space for new characters, but most fans want to know what happened to them.

 

Examples... T3 and HK should be PMs again, but I don't think we need Canderous as much. We should at least SEE Bastila, Carth, and probably Atton, Brianna, Mical, and Visas, 'cause as the romance-options, they are pretty important to the plot.

 

But I'm against the idea of male-PC, and female-PC only characters. It's only for romance options that they do that, and I wanna see the differences in how the characters interact with the PC (romance-option vs. non-romance option). You didn't get that kind of comparison in K2, at least not with Brianna. Besides, why should I not be able to at least have the choice between the Echani warrior and the Jedi-wannabe, or have them both-when we have GOTO in the other slot...

 

[shudder]

[JCarter426]

Having gender specific party members gives me more of an inclination to play as both genders. In K1, it really doesn't matter which gender you pick; the only difference is that you get a difference romance option. In K2, you get two difference "romance options", one of which is an entirely different character. And the dialogue is different in many cases (mainly with Atris, Sion, Mira, and Kreia).

 

But there is one thing I must stress: If there are male/female PC only party members, then the story must make sense even if they aren't in the party!

[adamqd]

Canderous and HK have to Return!

[Jedi Master Aagin]

Two things:

 

1. It's implied that all Jedi, save Revan and the Jedi you meet in the game, are dead.

2. As the Disciple says:

 

"...the teachings of Master Arca, the adventures of Jolee Bindo on the Rimward Missions. All of these things are in danger of being lost, forever."

 

If Jolee were alive, why would his adventures be in danger of being lost?

 

As I said, it's never stated that he is dead; however, it is implied.

i can come up with reasons he isnt dead

1: he never joined the jedi ranks again, as a matter o' fact in K1 he says to you "Just think of me as an any other non-jedi in your party...with a lightsaber... and force powers"

2: nobody wants to hear an old mans tales (except me)! they are all old tales and people do as they do, forget history.

[TKA-001]

That doesn't really explain anything about whether or not he'd be dead after K1.

[JCarter426]

he never joined the jedi ranks again, as a matter o' fact in K1 he says to you "Just think of me as an any other non-jedi in your party...with a lightsaber... and force powers"

 

And later on he admits that he's a Jedi. He also referred to the search for the Star Forge as his last adventure, so even in K1 it's implied that he's not long for the world.

 

That doesn't really explain anything about whether or not he'd be dead after K1.

 

Didn't say it did.

[DarthRevan243]

I would want T3-M4 back! He's (slightly) cute and funny.

[Sgt. Strike]

Personally, I think Jolee Bindo went back to Kashyyk, and moved his hut, to get further away from people. I don't think he did die, just that his records did make it to Dantoonie, by Bastila, or one of the other Jedi who traveled with Revan. Another thing is, is he could come back, as a teacher to the new PC in K3. As well as Bastila, Atton, Brianna, Mical, Juhani, Mira, Visas, and some of the others. Canderous, I think, should be back, but also as a teacher, as well. Depending on your class, I think Canderous should be one of your first teachers, then in the course of the beginning of the game, something happens, you find some new people, and start learning about the Force.

[Scatter]

i'm not overly fussed on how many characters we have. indeed, fewer characters can make for a far more in depth and rewarding story. as long as they pay attention to detail, think it through, and flesh it out, we'll be set.

 

for example, the backstory & sidequest doesn't need change depending on the alignment of an npc, but their reaction to the things you do, does. just one extra line of dialogue per reaction makes all the difference... e.g. a natural LS character like Brianna when you steal money off some beggar still giving a LS reaction when she's completely 100% DS just destroys the feeling of the story. If she was to quip something like "Where's my cut?" as a DSer when she'd ordinarily preach something about how the virtuous Jedi would never do such a thing as a LSer would make having an influence system actually FEEL worthwhile.

 

i'd actually want it to go further than that with non-story critical NPC's. if you're a DSer committing acts of hilarious cruelty with a LS NPC that you don't have a high amount of influence over, then that NPC should leave the party after a while as an act of conscience.

 

it can't be THAT hard - Baldurs Gate II had a very effective influence and alignment system over ten years ago. one that completely put TSL to shame tbh.

[Sgt. Strike]

I still like the idea of using the characters from the first 2 games, the NPCs mainly, as teachers, or something like that. Even Jolee Bindo can be a teacher, of one sort or another. Anyway, I think that having a couple more members, than in KOTOR, in the pool, can be a good thing.

[JinSarigit]

I'm not sure if anything I mention will be "original," since the template for KOTOR crew has been somewhat already set (i.e. mentor figure, droid (s), gunslinging pilot, bounty hunter/merc, etc.)

 

BUT, I think their specific backstories could make the difference

 

*Pilot (no matter who owns the Ebon Hawk, it will always need one)

This time why not have a declarated pilot, someone more like Han Solo who brags about his experience with piloting and working on spacecraft.

 

*Assasin/Spy (not to be confused with Handmaiden or Visas)

Someone like Mara Jade, who could act as a spy either for a Sith Lord, and is spying on the main PC, or is a Republic Spy and spying on the main PC.

 

*And a Psychotic Droid

Maybe like C-3PX, an unstable droid with an overwhelming urge to kill living things

 

That's all I can muster for the moment

[pizza-da-hut]

Personally both droids and canderous/mandalore should be in the new kotor game.

About other characters I think both wookies should be in the game. Perhaps in a show off (zaalbaar light, Hanhaar dark).

Canderous shouldn't be an NPC but instead give a mandalorian in tribute eg. Xarga, Kelborn, Bralor.

Hk 47 should be a character that you can design. eg. his mainframe is in a computer in a droid factory, and T3 should be an introductory character but is blown up by evil villain

Bastilla should make a return as your mentor for this game (If you play the canon version of tsl you see she has survived) and she questions T3 about the whreabouts of Revan before he dies.

Revan and the Exile should be Late in the game Npcs at an extremely high level.

Other characters (such as carth, mission, mical and brianna) should make appearances but shouldn't be main characters for k3.

You should also perhaps find corpses and one with the force people (obi wan in episode6) for Jolee, Juhani and perhaps one of the jedi masters for tsl (lonna vash or Kavar).

[Jvstice]

pizza: I largely agree with that, with a couple of exceptions

I'd rather see Hk-47 ahead of a faction of droids trying to fill the power vacuum left by the destruction of the genoharradan, and to busy to actually come along, but to assign an hk-51 or 52 to help your party with the mission for k3.

At the beginning of the game I'd like to see a choice of ds basilla mentorship, or a ls jolee mentorship with jolee actually still being neutral. The idea of a DS sith force ghost Kreia being a mentor too (like the dragon in Jade empire, even though your actual mentor is Master Li) is one I really like too.

I don't think Juhani or others that chose ls would leave a corpse, because they'd become one with the force and physically dematerialize. So perhaps some other physical sign more directly.

Personally, since Kreia couldn't see Bao Dur's future, and Atris was utterly convinced he was important to telos' and maybe the galaxy's future, I think the implication may be that he could have significant changes on events in K3. Also, Kreia hinted that what Visas saw when she'd return to Katar after tsl would change everything relating to her point of view. I'd still only want one or the other to actually be an NPC, and then only if there were a lot of character growth even then. I would like to know something of the mysteries that were brought up though.

[Corinthian]

There's a chance Jolee is dead - he's pretty old. But I doubt he was killed by Nihilus on Katarr. He never reconciles with the Jedi Order, just a few Jedi. But declaring that he's dead because of all the threats is a little ridiculous - Bastila is also still alive, and she's a lot better known than Jolee.

[Jvstice]

K2 makes a big point that bastilla is pretty attached to Revan and either has followed or is about to follow him because of that attachment. A DS Bastilla in K3, wouldnt' surprise me at all since they'd only have to change a little explanatory text as to why she's on whatever mission she is, and teaching your pc.

[Melly]

Bao-Dur. Seriously, I don't really care about anybody else, but I want my Zabrak back. If not !!!