Protests against Scientology

[Nedak]

I think Jmac has summarized it up pretty well.

The protesters are /b/ards looking for attention. These protests are organized on 4chan and are carried out in V masks and fake Afros.

 

We aren't smacking you for supporting protesters. We are smacking you for supporting the cancer that is killing 4chan.

 

I wasn't really talking about any of that. I was talking about just normal Scientology protesters.

 

I apologize to you Jmac. I thought you were responding to something else...

[Web Rider]

We are smacking you for supporting the cancer that is killing 4chan.

 

And why, pray tell, should anyone give a darn about 4Chan? 4chan is, without question, one of the most prominent piles of poop on the internet. Filled with some of the most mindless garbage that only a horde of pre-teen internet junkies and 42-year-olds who still live in their mother's basements could possibly assemble.

 

Quite frankly, the only reason Anon is killing 4Chan is because they're mostly right-minded people attempting to make a political statement against an organization that is oppressive, violent and an obvious cult/scam. In short, 4chan is so filled with dookie that anything that's not the excrement of the internet is poison in it's veins.

 

So lets get things straight, the net will be healthier, happier, and all around better, without 4chan.

 

You aren't upset with what Anon is doing because you want to "save 4chan", and if you are, then I question your motivation for wanting to save a website that is, without a doubt, only slightly less poisonous to the internet than Scientology is to real life.

 

 

On the subject of the protestors, I'm always glad to see somebody protesting against Scientology, regardless of method, so long as it is not violent. Their tactics are logical and a little humurous, the V masks prevent Scientologists from knowing their identities and attacking them legally/physically, and add some humor to the protest as well. Enough, IMO, so that cops don't assume they're out to riot and loot, as they likly would given they wore pointy white hoods or black ski masks.

 

They have done something the rest of the world has generally been afraid to or unwilling. And have shown that movements on the internet are not limited to the virtual realm, nor are the people on the internet powerless to affect others should they put their minds to it. An act that shows a level of coordination that the internet is not familiar with.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

And why, pray tell, should anyone give a darn about 4Chan? 4chan is, without question, one of the most prominent piles of poop on the internet. Filled with some of the most mindless garbage that only a horde of pre-teen internet junkies and 42-year-olds who still live in their mother's basements could possibly assemble.

 

Quite frankly, the only reason Anon is killing 4Chan is because they're mostly right-minded people attempting to make a political statement against an organization that is oppressive, violent and an obvious cult/scam. In short, 4chan is so filled with dookie that anything that's not the excrement of the internet is poison in it's veins.

 

So lets get things straight, the net will be healthier, happier, and all around better, without 4chan.

 

You aren't upset with what Anon is doing because you want to "save 4chan", and if you are, then I question your motivation for wanting to save a website that is, without a doubt, only slightly less poisonous to the internet than Scientology is to real life.

 

 

On the subject of the protestors, I'm always glad to see somebody protesting against Scientology, regardless of method, so long as it is not violent. Their tactics are logical and a little humurous, the V masks prevent Scientologists from knowing their identities and attacking them legally/physically, and add some humor to the protest as well. Enough, IMO, so that cops don't assume they're out to riot and loot, as they likly would given they wore pointy white hoods or black ski masks.

 

They have done something the rest of the world has generally been afraid to or unwilling. And have shown that movements on the internet are not limited to the virtual realm, nor are the people on the internet powerless to affect others should they put their minds to it. An act that shows a level of coordination that the internet is not familiar with.

this post makes me lol. i'm not even going to try explaining it to you.

[Arcesious]

An act that shows a level of coordination that the internet is not familiar with.

 

One could argue that the intrawebz can pull together quite a bit of power at any given time when people put their minds to it.

[Web Rider]

this post makes me lol. i'm not even going to try explaining it to you.

 

I don't really care what you think to be honest. I simply desired to express my opinion as everyone else has. Besides, I was replying to Avery, not you.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

I don't really care what you think to be honest.

awesome possum thanks for letting me know.

I simply desired to express my opinion as everyone else has.

oh. i thought you were harvesting grain.

[True_Avery]

And why, pray tell, should anyone give a darn about 4Chan? 4chan is, without question, one of the most prominent piles of poop on the internet. Filled with some of the most mindless garbage that only a horde of pre-teen internet junkies and 42-year-olds who still live in their mother's basements could possibly assemble.

That would be your opinion. I happen to find most of its boards hilarious and worth a visit from time to time for a good laugh. I can find information on shows that I like, and talk among like minded individuals.

 

Not every part of 4chan is /b/ you know. The idiots that make the place out to be a garbage hole are the exact people we hate.

 

Quite frankly, the only reason Anon is killing 4Chan is because they're mostly right-minded people attempting to make a political statement against an organization that is oppressive, violent and an obvious cult/scam. In short, 4chan is so filled with dookie that anything that's not the excrement of the internet is poison in it's veins.

The Anons that are protesting are making fools of themselves by going out into public in the first place dressed in V masks and Afros. They make fools of themselves by having vulgar signs and generally making bad scenes.

 

For those that are actually out there to protest scientology, power to them. But a good many of them are /b/ members that want an excuse to dress up and get attention.

 

Also, take in mind that your Anon heroes have done a number of illegal things to the Church of Scientology. They crashed websites, overloaded bandwidth, and caused quite a bill of damage. You can love those "right-minded" Anons all you want. But please, do not make them out to be angels in a sea of p***.

 

So lets get things straight, the net will be healthier, happier, and all around better, without 4chan.

4chan is everything the internet is.

 

4chan has porn boards. Porn is all over the internet.

4chan has trolls. Trolls are on every single forum.

4chan has idiots. Idiots are everywhere.

 

4chan is just a bunch of boards that have easy access to every corner of the internet. Getting rid of 4chan will solve NOTHING, because 4chan is just a place for people to discuss and share what they have found EVERYWHERE.

 

Your logic states that if we got rid of Lucas forums, the internet would be a better place and Star Wars stuff would stop appearing. Lucas forums is a chat site. Whether it exists or not doesn't change the fact that there will be Star Wars stuff on the internet, and there will always be other forums.

 

You aren't upset with what Anon is doing because you want to "save 4chan", and if you are, then I question your motivation for wanting to save a website that is, without a doubt, only slightly less poisonous to the internet than Scientology is to real life.

Like I said above, 4chan is a chat site. A chat site for discussing and sharing everything the internet has to offer.

 

It does not create poison at all. At all. It only brings poison in from every corner of the internet into one place.

 

You get rid of 4chan, that poison just finds a new place to go. Considering there are hundreds of thousands of people that visit 4chan, I think you are better off having them be in 1 place.

 

On the subject of the protestors, I'm always glad to see somebody protesting against Scientology, regardless of method, so long as it is not violent. Their tactics are logical and a little humurous, the V masks prevent Scientologists from knowing their identities and attacking them legally/physically, and add some humor to the protest as well. Enough, IMO, so that cops don't assume they're out to riot and loot, as they likly would given they wore pointy white hoods or black ski masks.

So, 4chan is bad when they do their said "poison", but are a coordinated, honorable movement when they decide to organize and protest a religion?

 

I'm sorry, but in the first half of this thread you bashed 4chan. In the second half, you shook their hand.

 

Do you honestly believe that those protesters go home after protesting and avoid 4chan? No. Hahahahahaha, No. They go on the porn boards. They go onto /b/ to organize the next raid. They post pictures of themselves asking "Am I hot?" They share tentacle porn. They post pedo-bear and slow-poke.

 

They organize internet raids and crash Scientology websites, causing damage that actually costs money to repair.

 

They are the exact people you seem to hate so much, but this time wearing V masks. Just because they support a few of your beliefs on a cult doesn't exempt them from the fact that they are the same pre-teen internet junkies and 42-year-olds you generalized.

 

They have done something the rest of the world has generally been afraid to or unwilling. And have shown that movements on the internet are not limited to the virtual realm, nor are the people on the internet powerless to affect others should they put their minds to it. An act that shows a level of coordination that the internet is not familiar with.

They are 4chaners, no matter how painful it is to say that.

 

They came from 4chan. They organized on 4chan. They protest under the banner of 4chan. Then, when they are done, they go back to 4chan.

 

Most of them go out there because it is a chance to wear a V mask and an Afro with a bunch of other /b/ members. Some go out to protest Scientology.

 

And its real world push and "right-thinking" people that have sucked the humor out of places like /b/. /b/ used to be funny. Now it is full of people that will go out into pubic dressed as memes, post nude pictures of themselves, then spam boards like crazy. It is the public attention towards a place like 4chan that is bad for all of us, because 4chan is a crossroads. The real world starts attacking 4chan, eventually the rest of the internet is going to get a brush ran through it as well. And, for being someone who loves freedom so much, I doubt you want that to happen.

 

Yes, yes, power to them for protesting Scientology. But, Scientology, to be honest, is just another religion. It is in the light because of fools like Tom Cruise. Telling your followers to stay away from things like medication is nothing new, as the Christian and Catholic church's have been doing since their birth. Xenu may be a silly story, but so is the story of a guy creating a woman out of one of his ribs.

 

It is the religion that is fun to pick on right now because it has been pulled into the light. But, you can easily pull any other religion into the same light and mock it just the same. They are not "evil". They are not a "cancer on the world". They are not a "poison".

 

Scientology is just another religion. Just another belief system starting out as a "cult" that could grow into much more.

 

Hell, Christianity was a cult before it become a religion.

[Great Scott!]

Yes, yes, power to them for protesting Scientology. But, Scientology, to be honest, is just another religion. It is in the light because of fools like Tom Cruise. Telling your followers to stay away from things like medication is nothing new, as the Christian and Catholic church's have been doing since their birth. Xenu may be a silly story, but so is the story of a guy creating a woman out of one of his ribs.

 

It is the religion that is fun to pick on right now because it has been pulled into the light. But, you can easily pull any other religion into the same light and mock it just the same. They are not "evil". They are not a "cancer on the world". They are not a "poison".

 

Scientology is just another religion. Just another belief system starting out as a "cult" that could grow into much more.

 

Hell, Christianity was a cult before it become a religion.

Sick of this so-called "point" like mad, so I think I'll copy and paste what I wrote on another forum:

 

This is the most BS argument ever, and I hear it a lot.

 

First off, Christianity was made around the time everybody was believing in God, gods, or goddesses, and after being past down through centuries it stuck with people. In fact, I'm pretty sure the religion started not too long after Jesus was murdered, so at least the whole concept actually comes from something other than a science fiction writer. There's another thing too, if a science fiction writer makes a religion, and it has some guy named "Lord Xenu" who put all the humans here in capsules, I mean, by that point, why would you even consider Scientology? No, you know what, I'm not even going to capitalize that unless it's at the beginning of a sentence, because I refuse to give the impression that I want it to be recognized. Christianity has roots, followings, stories, writings, explanations, all this stuff spanning at least a millennium. Scientology was started by some fat science fiction writer in the '60s and includes many elements of science fiction itself, and when the "church" is consistently trying to get money, that's what really gives it away. No, actually, the whole concept gives it away, some people are just too stupid to realize that.

 

I seriously think people like Tom Cruise who joined were merely bribed into it because they needed celebrities; hell, I bet just about every famous person who's alive was bribed by the church using the money that they scammed people out of at some point or another, and some celebrities are just greedier (and dumber) than others, but most of them continue follow something way more believable, even if not entirely.

 

God, Satan, Heaven, and Hell may be very hard to believe in this day and age when people look to science for all the answers, and that makes sense, in fact, I don't really believe in Christianity anymore. However, at least Christianity actually has evidence of being true, even if it's debatable after all this time, but that's natural when something lasts over, you know, 1,000 years. Scientology is science fiction, started in the mid-'60s, by an author of space fantasies who's sanity was very questionable. If anybody thinks that's even comparable to Christianity, then sign me up for the Jedi Academy, because I've felt like going on a murderous rampage against the Sand People lately.

[True_Avery]

Sick of this argument like mad, so I think I'll copy and paste what I wrote on another forum:

Ok, I'll do the same.

 

In the years following the ascension of the resurrected Jesus to heaven, the Christian church grew rapidly. Christians soon found themselves to be the subjects of persecution by both the Romans and the Jews. In many locales, it became dangerous to be known as a Christian. Thus, when two strangers met and thought maybe they were fellow believers, one of them would draw, on the ground, the upper half of the fish symbol.

Recognizing the symbol, the stranger would add a second curved line and complete the drawing of a fish.

It is a very simple shape to draw - just two curved strokes. It could be drawn quickly, and erased just as quickly if there was no sign of recognition on the part of the stranger.

 

http://www.eureka4you.com/fish/fishsymbol.htm

http://www.albatrus.org/english/reli...ish_symbol.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

 

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The word "Cult" means this:

1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.

3. the object of such devotion.

4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.

6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

7. the members of such a religion or sect.

 

The literal and traditional meaning of the word cult is derived from the Latin cultus meaning "care" or "adoration", which from ancient times meant a traditional practice of religion or the tribal beliefs which preceded formal religions.

 

Since at least the 1920s to 40s, the approach of orthodox, conservative, or fundamentalist Christians was to apply the meaning of cult such that it included those religious groups who used (possibly exclusively) non-standard translations of the Bible, put additional revelation on a similar or higher level than the Bible, or had beliefs and/or practices that were not held by current, mainstream Christianity.

 

By some definition, cult could hold the same meaning as any normal religion. By other definitions, it is something that is not a formal religion, or something that does not follow fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

 

By some of those definitions, Christianity could be considered a cult, or could have started out as a cult. The early Christians had to hide from the Romans, thus making them below what was a formal religion back then. Or, a cult.

 

"Cult" is commonly accepted as a negative belief system, but a cult is simply an unorthodox religion for its time. Christians, as said before, use "cult" to refer to something that is, by some definition, not Christian.

 

In common society today, "cult" is a word given to a group of brainwashers, exploiters, "witchercraft", and other groups that may or may not manipulate people into a belief system. Depending on the situation, the person, and the point of view, nearly any religion (including modern day Christianity) could be considered a cult. The documentary "Jesus Camp" is an example of how Christianity today could fall, under some situations, into the modern day definition for the word "cult". Being raised and taught to be a tight Christian could be considered by some to be a form of brainwashing, manipulation, or indoctrination, thus also putting it into the current day definition of "cult".

 

What I'm trying to say is, the word has been manipulated for so long that it is hard to give it a meaning anymore. It is commonly accepted as a negative, but what it is an unorthodox religion for its time. Brainwashing is unorthodox now, but I'm sure throughout history that was even seen as a social norm once.

 

I'm not calling Christianity a negative in this sense. I'm calling it what it was at the time when the Ichthys (fish) was a sign of secrecy and digression. Today, I'm sure a religion that runs around making fish signs would be persecuted and called a "cult" by some, because that is exactly what it would be.

 

And, A religion that followers a science fiction novel could be considered unorthodox. Thus, by definition, Scientology is a cult, or an informal religion.

 

Christianity was informal and unorthodox once. Thus, a cult.

 

However, at least Christianity actually has evidence of being true, even if it's debatable after all this time, but that's natural when something lasts over, you know, 1,000 years.

Hubbard novel has many real world elements in it, like the Hydrogen bomb and the planes. A thousand years from now, we could have lost much of what we had today. Two thousand years from now, Scientology could be the new accepted Religion of many. His books could be that ages bible.

 

As you said, it is natural when something lasts over 1,000 years.

 

Scientology is science fiction, started in the mid-'60s, by an author of space fantasies who's sanity was very questionable. If anybody thinks that's even comparable to Christianity, then sign me up for the Jedi Academy, because I've felt like going on a murderous rampage against the Sand People lately.

The bible was a bunch of stories thousands of years old. There are stories of a man living in a giant fish. Stories of a man taking one of his ribs and making a woman. There are stories of flaming rain destroying cities.

 

I question the sanity of anybody who believes those stories. Same goes for the people that wrote them. It is the exact same thing, but Scientology just happens to be the new guy.

 

The very fact it has followers proves that it is believable. It has followers, and can thus be considered a cult at worst, and a new religion at best.

 

Thus, comparable to Christianity.

[Great Scott!]

Ehhh, you do make some good points... I have some stuff I'd love to counter with, but I'm really sick of doing that so many times when all it does is continue these conversations and sometimes lead to people getting angry (not me, and I doubt you would either, but someone certainly would), so although I don't agree with you I don't really want to write five-ten paragraphs of a counter-argument that will just be countered again. Take it as a surrender or however you want, I just don't want to waste my time and I'll let myself believe what I believe, not like everyone else has to know or agree with my personal thoughts.

 

I'll just end this saying that I hate scientology and 4chan, and nothing will change my opinion.

[True_Avery]

I'll just end this saying that I hate scientology and 4chan, and nothing will change my opinion.

Fair enough.

[Astor]

Personally, I don't care about the politics of what is, in my opinion a cesspit, but:

 

Also, take in mind that your Anon heroes have done a number of illegal things to the Church of Scientology. They crashed websites, overloaded bandwidth, and caused quite a bill of damage.

 

The C of S is hardly innocent of that either. Throughout their history they have taken part in, and orchestrated a number of illegal activities, not in the least being Operation Snow White.

 

They have a well documented history of criminal activity, so the C of S can hardly play innocent in that regard.

 

They organize internet raids and crash Scientology websites, causing damage that actually costs money to repair.[/Quote]

 

Scientologists organise REAL raids and infiltrate REAL organisations, causing damage that actually costs money to repair.

 

I'm only going to say one thing about 4chan, because I don't know all too much about it:

 

You get rid of 4chan, that poison just finds a new place to go. Considering there are hundreds of thousands of people that visit 4chan, I think you are better off having them be in 1 place.

 

I wouldn't have problem with 4chan if they could restrict the stuff they find to 4chan, such as 'lolcats' or whatever else, as opposed to parading it out at every opportunity like two year olds.

[Q]

Throughout their history they have taken part in, and orchestrated a number of illegal activities, not in the least being Operation Snow White.

I just read up on this. Now I know why they're on the feds' fecal roster. I remember Hubbard's books being advertised while growing up in the 80's, I remember (and wish that I could forget) Battlefield Earth and Tom Cruise being a total jackass as of late, but I honestly had no idea what a subversive group the Scientologists are until now. Thanks for mentioning that, A_K.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

I wouldn't have problem with 4chan if they could restrict the stuff they find to 4chan, such as 'lolcats' or whatever else, as opposed to parading it out at every opportunity like two year olds.

the people who parade it around in real life and the people who spread it around the internet are the same people.

[Astor]

the people who parade it around in real life and the people who spread it around the internet are the same people.

 

Forgive me if i'm confused, but I haven't said that they aren't the same people. All I was saying was that it'd be nice if they realised that other people on the internet maybe don't want to see it.

 

But now we're veering off of the original topic.

[Pho3nix]

Personally, I don't have a problem with the protesting "anons". I find them rather amusing.