Nickelstein Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Recently LucasArts has gotten a new president who is interested in LEC old franchises (like Monkey Island). We're back in the Golden Age of Adventure Games. I guess all of you have played the first chapter of TOMI (if not then go get it,NOW). And I'm sure that we're all happy that SOMI:SE and a possible MI2:SE are coming out but have we forgiven LucasArts completely? Did we get over the games they cancelled (Sam and Max 2, Full Throttle 2) and all the Star Wars games they crapped out? I decided to go back in time (looking at old topics from wayyyyy back) and you guys weren't all to happy with LucasArts . I think there was a whole article on the cancellation of Sam and Max 2 called "What The Hell Are You Thinking LucasArts?!" or something like that. Anyway back on topic. Have you completely or sort of forgave LucasArts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven_Q45 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Not so sure! I mean I like the adventure games so much. But now I play almost all adventure games. So, LA is now another company. Nothing can reach the old ones! But I´m looking forward to play new adventure games from LucasArts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 The problem with LucasArts is that they have licenses to some superb adventure games. Just having the license doesn't mean shіt, you need the talented staff to turn it into a great game. Even with a decent team, the game can still be pretty bad (EMI!) so I think that by far the most promising thing LucasArts have done, in possibly the last ten years, is give one of their adventure game licenses to someone who can use it properly. That bodes well for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Mania Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Won't be forgiven until they remake MI2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I happened to like Star Wars, and some of the Star Wars games are also really good, like KotOR and Republic Commando. Yes I can forgive them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyntheticGerbil Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Nah, there's nothing to forgive. The original talented greats at LucasArts have all moved on. LucasArts doesn't *seem* to have anyone as talented employed anymore. If they do, it's probably all lost to decisions made by bad execs and art directors, as well as the typical corporate pipeline junk. The only original team member that maybe requires some forgiveness is Mike Stemmle for certain EMI plot twists, and a general feeling that the guy had not even played any Monkey Islands ever before developing a Monkey Island game. I'm okay with Telltale handling whatever, since there's enough veterans to know what they are doing, but I'm wary of LucasArts doing anything with the old franchises on their own. The stuff that they licensed out or did third party for the last 8 years or so in the Rogue book is pretty bad when held up to some of the stuff earlier in the book from the original teams. It also makes the book end on an extremely sour note, besides the poor writing and factual errors scattered across. Personally, I was happy when both Sam and Max Freelance Police and Full Throttle 2 were canceled. I congratulate whoever put the axe through those. Full Throttle 2 had terrible voices (writing too from what I've heard) as well as bad dated 3D graphics, ugly art, and horribly redesigned characters. It also seemed to have a lack of any idea of what made Full Throttle good in the first place. Freelance Police, while overseen by Purcell, looked like it was going off the rails fast. Yellow talking police cat? What the hell? That's not how Sam and Max works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven_Q45 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I happened to like Star Wars, and some of the Star Wars games are also really good, like KotOR and Republic Commando. Yes I can forgive them. I have KOTOR 1 and 2 and Republic Commando. And all RC novels. KOTOR 1 is great. Really, really great. Didn´t play K 2 yet... 2 Years after the release of KOTOR I wanted to buy one SW game. And that was a good beginning. I don´t buy others. But I fell in love with KOTOR 1. I heard much good things about Kotor. I´m on Dantooine. For the 33th time now. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melancholick Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I have KOTOR 1 and 2 and Republic Commando. And all RC novels. KOTOR 1 is great. Really, really great. Didn´t play K 2 yet... If you approach KOTOR 2 like it's KOTOR 1.35, you'll enjoy it quite a bit. It really is just a shadow cast by a vastly superior developer and a classic title; the non-ending earns its place in the pantheon of reasons why LucasArts still has quite a way to go before they've TRULY earned their forgiveness, but the game itself is a few sheckles' worth of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Nope. I'm not going to forgive them for giving Obsidian the worst development cycle timeline for a cRPG, especially with the amount of talent that they had, and how K2 would've completely trumped K1 in content, if they had been given enough time. There's also the fact that they denied Obsidian an opportunity to restore the missing content, as well as the fact that they decided to create an MMO over a single-player KotOR 3 Canceling Freelance Police and Battlefront 3 also didn't help their reputation, along with putting out a banal TFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tingler Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Forgive them? Oh no, but this does go some way towards that. Only last month Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings came out though. Forgiveness? Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickelstein Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 I have KOTOR 1 and 2 and Republic Commando. And all RC novels. KOTOR 1 is great. Really, really great. Didn´t play K 2 yet... 2 Years after the release of KOTOR I wanted to buy one SW game. And that was a good beginning. I don´t buy others. But I fell in love with KOTOR 1. I heard much good things about Kotor. I´m on Dantooine. For the 33th time now. :D Force Unleashed sucked though ;] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven_Q45 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 If you approach KOTOR 2 like it's KOTOR 1.35, you'll enjoy it quite a bit. It really is just a shadow cast by a vastly superior developer and a classic title; the non-ending earns its place in the pantheon of reasons why LucasArts still has quite a way to go before they've TRULY earned their forgiveness, but the game itself is a few sheckles' worth of fun. Well I started it. But long ago. Not bad but not very good. New things but KOTOR 1 is still greatness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 The SOMI:SE isn't out yet!! But I'd have to offer another option: "Getting there..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Freelance Police, while overseen by Purcell, looked like it was going off the rails fast. Yellow talking police cat? What the hell? That's not how Sam and Max works. What's all this about then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyntheticGerbil Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 What's all this about then? Oh haha, in the trailer for the game, there was a yellow police cat looking grumpy and patrolling the streets outside Sam and Max's apartment complex.. The problem is in the Sam and Max universe there aren't really supposed to be any other anthropomorphic animals in place of where an actual human should be, leaving Sam and Max to stand alone, as some weird rabbit and dog freelance police team. It's surprising how well all Sam and Max stuff has kept to this rule outside of monsters and rats or roaches living on the moon. Even the cartoon didn't go against it besides having Sam's mom appear, but then again Sam and Max's family all appeared in an early Christmas comic as well. So there's no one else besides that to create some kind of weird furry scenario which was surprisingly big in b&w indie comics in the 80s until the internet the stuff insanely widespread. So no alter ego Max with lipstick for Max to fall in love with, no Dave the Tiger auto mechanic malarkey, and definitely no rival animal anthropomorphic animal police force. Sam and Max are supposed to be this weird, crude, mean anomaly that every human in the universe just blindly accepts the existence of. Besides the alien roaches and rats, any other talking animals are in the spots as they would be normally were they not spitting and swearing at you. So yeah, I was pretty offended by that yellow police cat. I wanted that game canceled from that point on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I agree with what many of you have said: They are on the right track. I have tried to remain enthusiastic about LucasArts even while it was looking like they'd never give us what they wanted, so now that there are some upcoming games I am excited about (future ToMI eps, SoMI:SE, SWTOR) things are definitely looking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Graffiti Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Oh haha, in the trailer for the game, there was a yellow police cat looking grumpy and patrolling the streets outside Sam and Max's apartment complex.. Maybe it was a police officer disguised as a cat in an attempt to fool Sam & Max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickelstein Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 Who knows? By the looks of it the story didn't seem too clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udvarnoky Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I definitely forgive LEC, to the extent that forgiveness even applies. The things that made LEC blow were the results of decisions made by management, and key positions in that department seem to get regularly purged. The people running things now are not the people who were running things when Sam & Max got canceled, or even in more recent years. As for the employees, while I doubt LEC has the right personnel to make a graphic adventure themselves (a fact they themselves acknowledge through their praise-worthy partnership with Telltale) a lot of the people who work at LEC are apparently pretty cool and have in fact been waiting for the right stars to align in order for the awesome things they're doing, like MI1:SE and the Steam releases, to be possible. Under the leadership of Rodriguez, I can't think of any real reason to dislike LEC so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickelstein Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 @Jeff Did you vote on the poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickelstein Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 I definitely forgive LEC, to the extent that forgiveness even applies. The things that made LEC blow were the results of decisions made by management, and key positions in that department seem to get regularly purged. The people running things now are not the people who were running things when Sam & Max got canceled, or even in more recent years. As for the employees, while I doubt LEC has the right personnel to make a graphic adventure themselves (a fact they themselves acknowledge through their praise-worthy partnership with Telltale) a lot of the people who work at LEC are apparently pretty cool and have in fact been waiting for the right stars to align in order for the awesome things they're doing, like MI1:SE and the Steam releases, to be possible. Under the leadership of Rodriguez, I can't think of any real reason to dislike LEC so far. So maybe you can vote on the poll? Please? lol:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snugglecakes Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 No not really. Between 1987 and 2000 we got a great game every year. Since 2000 there's been cancellations and one remake. While I'm very excited about the remake of MI1, that's hardly going to right a decade of wrongs. Remember that LEC is a business, seems weird to use the term "forgiveness"! But that just shows how they touched so many people back in the day. There are clearly people at LucasArts now who are pushing for change so lets hope that continues. I'm very excited about Telltale though. I hope they do very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple_tentacle_ Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Won't be forgiven until they remake MI2. Ya same here. I wont forgive them until I own MI2:SE. But I dont hate there guts or I wouldnt be on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickelstein Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 So choose "Not So Sure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple_tentacle_ Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I did. But I am still a little mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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