Clone Wars: Degrading the good Mandalorian Name

[Prime]

Mandalorians are supposed to be honorable warriors who follow a code

Before Karen Traviss's rewrite, they were little more than thugs who believed in might makes right.

 

this cult developed by Traviss and others annoys me because it's painting what are the Star Wars Universe's answer to the Klingon Empire as 'nice people' when that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Indeed, if anything that was the major retcon.

 

I love mandalorian armor design. but thats about it. I don't love/hate them, but i lean toward the hate side a little bit - i dislike them.

I loved them back when KOTOR and TSL came out. Great alternate villians that were very different from the standard Sith. I loved that they were nomadic thugs that tried to somewhat sugarcoat their true motives. Canderous is a great character because of it.

 

...thereby stripping anyone who doesn't like his work of the right to say what they don't like about it.

 

Yeah, that makes sense.

It doesn't because that isn't what he said. The point is that saying "hey dummies, mandalorians are code-loving honourable dudes" when the universes creator says "no they aren't" is somehwhat silly, since he is in the exact position to dictate that. Whether you like or dislike that is completely up to you and valid for you to say so (and for others to disagree).

 

If you accept that a beam of colored energy can stop after a few feet and cut through almost anything in the galaxy, why can't you accept that the beam can be colored black?

Because it is stupid.

 

 

 

 

http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1063990p1.html

 

Filoni: The Darksaber. That was a big deal. And again that was an idea that came straight from George. Originally what Pre Vizsla was carrying was something in the EU called a vibroblade; it's kind of an electric sword. George let me get away with it in the early phases of design and in the early shooting, but when the color came back and he was watching the lightsaber we want to have combating this vibroblade, he said there's no way that can happen; there's no way that a non-lightsaber could block a lightsaber.

 

What? (around 2:57)

 

http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/electrostaff/index.html

 

From the Movies

A powered quarterstaff wielded by General Grievous and his bodyguard droids, the electrostaff is an impenetrable pole-arm charged with lethal energy. They are especially effective against clone troopers, sending a deadly jolt through their protective armor. These two-handed weapons are resistant to lightsaber attacks.

 

Behind the Scenes

The staffs were devised by George Lucas as a ways of presenting a threat to the until-now unstoppable Jedi with lightsaber. The dancing energetic charge emitted from the staff was to suggest a built-in shield mechanism that keeps a lightsaber blade from slicing through. When the animation of the energy changed to instead flow from the tips and not across the entire pole, it was decided instead that the pole was made of specialized materials. Phrik actually dates back to theStar Wars: Dark Forces videogame as a substance that was resistant to lightsabers.

 

I call bull**** on Filoni.

[Endorenna]

Because it is stupid.

 

http://tv.ign.com/articles/106/1063990p1.html

 

Filoni: The Darksaber. That was a big deal. And again that was an idea that came straight from George. Originally what Pre Vizsla was carrying was something in the EU called a vibroblade; it's kind of an electric sword. George let me get away with it in the early phases of design and in the early shooting, but when the color came back and he was watching the lightsaber we want to have combating this vibroblade, he said there's no way that can happen; there's no way that a non-lightsaber could block a lightsaber.

 

What? (around 2:57)

 

http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/electrostaff/index.html

 

From the Movies

A powered quarterstaff wielded by General Grievous and his bodyguard droids, the electrostaff is an impenetrable pole-arm charged with lethal energy. They are especially effective against clone troopers, sending a deadly jolt through their protective armor. These two-handed weapons are resistant to lightsaber attacks.

 

Behind the Scenes

The staffs were devised by George Lucas as a ways of presenting a threat to the until-now unstoppable Jedi with lightsaber. The dancing energetic charge emitted from the staff was to suggest a built-in shield mechanism that keeps a lightsaber blade from slicing through. When the animation of the energy changed to instead flow from the tips and not across the entire pole, it was decided instead that the pole was made of specialized materials. Phrik actually dates back to theStar Wars: Dark Forces videogame as a substance that was resistant to lightsabers.

 

I call bull**** on Filoni.

 

(shrug) Whatever. After I read Children of the Jedi, I ceased to care about what made sense, 'cuz if I had, I would never have read past that horrendous book.

 

I agree that the whole thing about "only a lightsaber can block a lightsaber" is rather dumb, though.

[Ztalker]

Let's just face it:

 

When something EPIC which is PG13 (Revenge of the Sith) goes Teletubbie you lose something.

 

I feel this childish crap goes against everything that what made Star Wars great. The original and prequel movies.

 

Boba Fett was a badass bounty hunter in the movie. Not a peace-loving hippie.

Sorry, but I feel Star Wars is going bad...very bad.

 

I hope this 'real action' tv series will do something good

[adamqd]

 

I hope this 'real action' tv series will do something good

 

TBH I dread all Star Wars that has GL's involvment since 05, TCW is BAAADDD, the TV show will probably be far worse, TCW has jaded my love for Star Wars Greatly

[TKA-001]

Before Karen Traviss's rewrite, they were little more than thugs who believed in might makes right.

They actually still are, it's just that Traviss made some very ham-fisted attempts to justify all of their ****.

 

Boba Fett was a badass bounty hunter in the movie. Not a peace-loving hippie.

Boba Fett didn't do anything badass in the movies except look like it, before getting beaten by a blind man with a stick and a hole in the ground.

[Prime]

TCW has jaded my love for Star Wars Greatly

But is that for canon reasons only, or something else? Why does having something like CW that is tailored for the younger set make you love that parts that are more targeted at you (or a wider audience) less? It doesn't change what they are. I never really understood that mentality.

 

For me, I don't love the films less because Yoda Stories or Bombad Racing is in existence. I get some enjoyment from CW, but it is what it is, and I'm not really the target audience. I get that, and I don't hate it for that. "Childish" Star Wars products and series have been around since the 80's. My generation got the Ewok adventures. TCW is by no means a new trend. I still have the KOTOR and Legacy comics and other novels for more adult oriented fair, or the TFU story-wise. It is just that TCW is more in the public eye right now. And kids love it.

 

I know I'll get blasted for it, but I think many people are overreacting when they say the sky is falling because of the TCW.

[Tobias Reiper]

So let's boil this down to simple fact:

The sudden dis-belief of Vibroblade blocking a lightsaber and the Darksaber itself:

Are you really surprised, people? Did you really think they wouldn't do this sooner or later? Especially on a kids show meant for teenagers, and teenagers love black, so why not try to be cool, right?

Don't try to dispute that, neither, because it's true. Why would we claim that about them if it wasn't?

 

 

George is a ****ing idiot who doesn't listen to reason, and it's probable that they didn't even question him or continue the argument after he said that it was impossible for there to be something that blocked a Lightsaber, they need to drag him away from Lucasfilms/arts and start working together without him.

I mean, it's not like the people other than George can't be blamed, like Plinkett AKA RedLetterMedia said in his review, while it is easy to blame George for doing everything wrong, the people who didn't challenge him on his stupid ideas also carry some of the fault.

 

I might as well just say the ugly truth: Star Wars is not for adults anymore. Starting with the Phantom Menace, Star Wars started to turn around and start to aim for the teenage group. If you want a good story that's as good as the OT, don't count on George and his band of merry idiots to deliver, but hey, if you want blind action, they can sure deliver that!

 

The Mandalorians became pacifists, big deal. If anything, that's a positive step.

I mean, is forsaking violence really stupid?

If the entire world did it'd be so much better, and as it's already been stated, it's not impossible for a race of warriors to become peaceful people, such as the Mongolians.

So what if Jango's not a Mando, none of them were. They were pretty much an army rather than a species even in the KotOR era, a group of insane people you joined up with.

 

Basically, this is being blown out of proportion, George needs to get away from Star Wars for the rest of his days, the Mandos are long dead anyway, and I'm hungry for Pizza Rolls.

 

If you ask me, I don't really care about the Mandalorians, and I'd actually enjoy a mod that replaced Canderous with some other character that's got a voice, and hey, if you can't get over the Mando's improving themselves, there is always the Klingons or the Krogans.

[adamqd]

snips

 

yea I should of put "TCW has jaded my Love for Star Wars As an ongoing Franchise"... as in I see nothing but retcons and Cartoon Network in the Future, I obviously still Love the EU, OT and PT, but, some of my Favorite stuff has been canceled or retconed to make way for something I dislike, that pisses me off, hence my opinion, Canon is a slippery slope at the best of Times, and Mandos are as good as the Author makes them. Just my Humble Opinion.

[Ghost]

this is getting into a heated discussion. Mandos in K2 actually seemed Honourable, but in K1, yes you guys are right, they were two-cred thugs. If a reform to the Mandalorian Way be made, let it make more sense than just giving all combat up. Sure, some of the Code was ridiculous, but a reform making the Mandalorians seem more sensible, smarter, and have common sense. The Wookies are warriors, and they seem to follow a certain way, but not fighting for the sake of fighting. If Mandos fought, watched, or learned from directly by Wookies, they would learn a lot. Sure they could still be warriors, but the raiding, kidnapping, stealing and all that **** could be cut out, make the Mandos seem more of a civilization more than a tribe, but still they should have their combat skills, and not throw all that away. What I mean by that is they should use their skills in a more sensible way than in pirating. More like a small empire, coalition, whatever.

 

Here's the thing though. In EAW FOC (not really canon in my opinion, but LA says so) the Mandos were still the same. Raiders, kidnappers, thugs, etc. So somethin must have happened for them to return to their Old Ways.

[True_Avery]

TA, I agreed with pretty much everything you wrote apart from the comparison with Nazi's I think the comparison would be far better with Imperial Japan between 1928-1945. They had a strange skewed sense of honour, and you weren't allowed to surrender, and those who did surrender were treated appallingly (including civilians). The Japanese thought the attack on Pearl Harbour was genius, much like I'm sure the Mandalorians did; indeed it took something similar to Hiroshima (Malachor V) to make the Mandalorians see sense and finally surrender.

 

So for all the Mandalorian kids out there you are usually American, you are basically venerating a society that would attack America and fight in the same way Imperial Japan did.

Ah, yeah, that comparison makes a lot more sense. Now I feel silly for not realizing that sooner.

 

So wait' date=' are we talking about Old Republic era Mandos or the Mandalorians aorund during the Clone Wars and such?[/quote']

To be honest, aside from this pacifist group they've been essentially the same throughout Star Wars.

 

The Old Republic Mandalorians had a twisted and skewed sense of honor' date=' and as such, were easily manipulated by the Sith into going at war with the galaxy (all it took was a suggestion). They were a truly monstrous lot who treated only fellow mando'ade with respect.[/quote']

Like pretty much all Mandalorians.

 

I agree there are individuals within the group that garner some respect, but as a whole their race is pretty atrocious.

 

Later on the Mandos got in a fight with the Jedi and the Republic threw a hissy fit and bombed Manda'yaim. This led to the creation of the New Mandalorians. Most Mandalorians gave up their previous lives and became a bunch of pansies who refused to defend themselves when terrorized by the Death Watch. The New Mandalorians are considered non-Mandalorian as they do not follow Resol'nare.

So, not fighting makes you a pansie?

 

Also, I don't consider it a hissy fit to kick down a race that has attempted to kill all life in the Republic more than a few times.

 

Again, you're not making a good argument for the Mandalorians here. "Honorable" warriors tend to believe that violence is a last resort, even if you're being troubled. This is one of the first lessons almost every martial art teacher will ever try to instill in you.

 

These "pansies" know how to fight, but do not do so because they know the bloodshed their race is capable of. That makes them more "honorable" than any Mandalorian in the Kotor age, and more honorable than the Bloodwatch and the rest of them.

 

Making a group of them Warrior-Monks is a great move.

 

The remaining Mandalorians either went their separate ways' date=' or became True Mandalorians. The True Mandalorians, led by then Mand'alor Jaster Mereel, conformed to a new Supercommando Codex, which abolished the old marauding ways and conformed the Mandalorians to a new code of honor. Most Mandalorians would follow this codex in later years. [/quote']

Except the old Marauding ways were not apart of their previous code. It was just something that they did for fun.

 

Which, again, doesn't make sense because after Clone Wars the remaining Mandos still fought the Republic and still killed and raided. These "true" Mandalorians are as much the savage mercs as they were in the Kotor era. They just lack the numbers and resources.

 

Some that grew tired of Jaster's rule and opposed his codex split off and formed the Death Watch (led by Tor Vizsla), and returned to the old ways (as in Mandalorian Wars ways). The Death Watch essentially wanted to start the Mandalorian Wars over again, so they eliminated Jaster and his followers.

When Jango killed Tor Vizsla the Death Watch was scattered, only to be reformed later on by Pre Vizsla.

Proving my point beautifully.

 

Most Mandalorian fans (including myself) are fans of the True Mandalorians and the Mandos who follow their honor code (Kal Skirata' date=' Walon Vau, Bardan Jusik, etc...). The ones devoted to protecting their families, following Resol'nare, and hating the Death Watch.[/quote']

Which doesn't make sense because you previously stated people who wouldn't fight are pansies. The pacifist group is standing for their honor.

 

Fact is, Mando culture has almost always valued family, tried to follow their code, and so on. They are an honorable group within their own ranks.

 

It is what they do to everyone else, however, that makes them bastards.

 

this is getting into a heated discussion. Mandos in K2 actually seemed Honourable, but in K1, yes you guys are right, they were two-cred thugs. If a reform to the Mandalorian Way be made, let it make more sense than just giving all combat up. Sure, some of the Code was ridiculous, but a reform making the Mandalorians seem more sensible, smarter, and have common sense. The Wookies are warriors, and they seem to follow a certain way, but not fighting for the sake of fighting. If Mandos fought, watched, or learned from directly by Wookies, they would learn a lot. Sure they could still be warriors, but the raiding, kidnapping, stealing and all that **** could be cut out, make the Mandos seem more of a civilization more than a tribe, but still they should have their combat skills, and not throw all that away. What I mean by that is they should use their skills in a more sensible way than in pirating. More like a small empire, coalition, whatever.

Not to pick at hairs, but isn't that -exactly- what the pacifist group is trying to do?

[Astor]

The Wookies are warriors, and they seem to follow a certain way, but not fighting for the sake of fighting.

 

Not all Wookiees are necessarily warriors. They're physically immense, but that's because they evolved to life on their homeworld, and yes, their culture places emphasis on fighting and strength, but that's more out to do with life on Kashyyyk being a constant struggle for survival.

 

make the Mandos seem more of a civilization more than a tribe,

 

As far as I can see, though, the only thing that keeps Mandalorians together is their vaunted code, or resol'nare or whatever it's called.

[Hallucination]

this is getting into a heated discussion. Mandos in K2 actually seemed Honourable, but in K1, yes you guys are right, they were two-cred thugs.

In K2 they weren't more honourable than in K1, they just decided that they needed to take a break and rebuild so they could kill more. And by "rebuild" I mean "invade another planet's space and put bunkers on their space lawn".

[Ghost]

Not to pick at hairs, but isn't that -exactly- what the pacifist group is trying to do?

 

No, because that type of pacifist is against all type of war, what I ment is they could still be a warrior race, but have more common sense. The Mandos in CW became simple citizens

 

In K2 they weren't more honourable than in K1, they just decided that they needed to take a break and rebuild so they could kill more. And by "rebuild" I mean "invade another planet's space and put bunkers on their space lawn".

 

Not exactly, Mandos envisioned by Obsidian had more common sense then that. In K1 all Mandos apparently attacked on sight, but in K2 they didn't. When the Exile met the mandos, they held their fire. In K1, they wouldn't have done that.

[Darth InSidious]

It's a paradox? Dark is the absence of light, so you can't have a dark beam of light, and a beam of a lack of light doesn't sound to be overly powerful.

 

Perhaps it's black light? Or, to put it another way, cheap sci-fi writing?

[Astrotoy7]

Mandalorians, and the Fetts in general have been so drenched in fanspunk, I'm sick of hearing of them. The Taung were cool though, when they existed

 

The TCW episode wasn't that bad, and skirts reasonably within EU lore.

 

Positive Mental Health Tip #72:

If watching The Clone Wars makes you upset, and leads you to futilely dash your fanrage all over a Star Wars related forum, watch something else, something like this will take your mind off it surely...

 

*watches link vid, falls off chair in glee*

 

mtfbwya

[Prime]

George is a ****ing idiot who doesn't listen to reason, and it's probable that they didn't even question him or continue the argument after he said that it was impossible for there to be something that blocked a Lightsaber, they need to drag him away from Lucasfilms/arts and start working together without him.

See, I'm not sure I buy Filoni's comments. Lucas created for the films exactly what Filoni is claiming Lucas said was impossible. I can see Lucas coming up with other arguments for coming up with what they did, but this just doesn't jive.

 

And be careful what you wish for. Even without Lucas involved you can still end up with things like giant green star wars rabbits.

 

I might as well just say the ugly truth: Star Wars is not for adults anymore. Starting with the Phantom Menace, Star Wars started to turn around and start to aim for the teenage group. If you want a good story that's as good as the OT, don't count on George and his band of merry idiots to deliver, but hey, if you want blind action, they can sure deliver that!

Again, saying Star Wars is not targeted at "adults" doesn't hold water, as it is too broad a brush. TCW isn't targeted at adults, but there are tons of Star Wars products that are. TFU, KOR, the many comics and novels are all targeted at older audiences, for example.

 

yea I should of put "TCW has jaded my Love for Star Wars As an ongoing Franchise"

Just to make sure you didn't misunderstand, I wasn't trying to attack your position, just using it as a point for further conversation. Hope it didn't come across that way.

 

I obviously still Love the EU, OT and PT, but, some of my Favorite stuff has been canceled or retconed to make way for something I dislike, that pisses me off, hence my opinion

That has happened to me too, specifically the Republic comic series. But I'm willing to wait and see how they fit it all in.

 

this is getting into a heated discussion.

Isn't it great? It's nice to have some good debates about Star Wars around here again.

 

Mandalorians, and the Fetts in general have been so drenched in fanspunk, I'm sick of hearing of them.

I hear ya. Like I said before, back when KOTOR I liked that fact they were hired goons who added anyone and everyone to their ranks. Now people just try to make them into more than they are.

 

*watches link vid, falls off chair in glee*

That does make me feel better...

[Hallucination]

Not exactly, Mandos envisioned by Obsidian had more common sense then that.

If they had more common sense than that they wouldn't have done it, but they were on the space lawn in every game of K2 I played.

[Astrotoy7]

....you can still end up with things like giant green star wars rabbits.

 

 

whoa... that's some of the creepiest Jar-Jar foreshadowing I've ever seen..

 

I was in the unusual position the other day of recommending to someone who hadn't watched SW before, what order to watch it in. I went for canon chronology rather than the order it was filmed in.... Halfway into TPM, he said "I dont think I like SW" I shouldve put on the Phantom Edit Damnit I blame Jar Jar.

 

mtfbwya

[machievelli]

True, you forget Seneca's axiom, 'Those who refuse to accept history are doomed to repeat it'. Let's take your premise that 'Mando;a= Nazi.

 

When I wrote my article, why do you think I ignored the Nazis? It was because unlike the ones I mentioned, the basic attitude of the German people is what made the Nazis strong, not their politics.

 

Being a Nazi in 'Nazi Germany' where members of other parties could end up in jail or a concentration camp at a whim was like being a Communist in the Soviet Union, where 'anti-revolutionary' attitudes could have you sent to Siberia to 'count trees'. The only valid party was the one mentioned, and to effect change, you had to be either a hammer or a nail, and everyone knows who wins in that argument. As much as Patton caught flak for it, being a Nazi in Germany or a Communist in the Soviet Union was little different from being a modern Democrat or Republican.

 

There were atrocities committed by people we label Nazis, but there were atrocities on both side of that war. But only those committed by the losers were ever addressed. Google 'Biscari Sicily Peiper', where the Malmedy Massacre (Which was blamed on the Hitler Jugend Waffen SS Panzer though 33rd Wermacht Panzer was more likely the perpetrators) is compared to the invasion of Sicily where at the POW camp at Biscari American troops 'eased the burden' on the camp by eliminating extra prisoners.

 

Or for that matter read the book about Otto Skorzeny named Kommando, where the leader of Germany's best special ops team was tried for War Crimes. They failed, because a British Special Ops man nicknamed the White Rabbit demanded to be sworn in, and laid out the operations orders he gave, actually more brutal than Skorzeny had ever ordered. Yet that failure did not deter the vengeful Allied Powers. Skorzeny was held for over a year as they frantically tried to find a charge they could use that would stick. Skorzeny eventually escaped and lived out his remaining days in Spain.

 

If we condemn the Nazis what about Hap Arnold (The head of the Army Air Corps, now the Air Force) when he gave Carl Spaatz and Curtis Le May their heads in their operations areas? Spaatz suggested bombing for morale purposes only, and among the cities leveled in his own words 'Terror bombing' was Dresden, which under International law was an Open City, a target not to be attacked for any reason.

 

Le May was stymied by Japan's decentralization of industry. No discrete factories to target, most of Japan's industry was of the cottage industry variety. To fight this, Le May suggested the firebombing of Japanese cities stating that if they destroyed their homes and families, the workers would lose heart and stop. More people were killed in the firestorm that ripped through Tokyo than died at Hiroshima.

 

As much as people like to quote 'I was only obeying orders' from Nurnberg, the most often stated phrase came from the judges when they said, 'We're not on trial, you are'.

 

Both of the ones I chose had an intrinsic strength tied to their status, and both had their dark sides. The Samurai had institutionalized their caste, and like any such decision, it meant people who were self-serving had the chance to gain control. When the only choice the government had was Kwampaku (Supreme military leader, not of the Samurai class) and Shogun, (Same but a Samurai) who do you think ended up in charge?

 

The Spartans had divided their society into three parts, the Spartiate (Warriors and landowners) were supreme. Perioeci (Non landowners and non citizens) and the Helots, who were citizens of the close by cities controlled by Sparta, little more than slaves as they were state owned workers. But to assure the Helots and Perioeci knew their place, some Spartans used tactics not unlike those used by the KKK to convince the Blacks of the Antebellum south to kowtow to their 'betters'.

 

Both of those I chose had their people who committed atrocities, as there would have been among the Mando'a, but the other Mando in the game are closer to ODESSA, the organization that got the worst of the Nazis you describe out of Germany after the War. People that would have been condemned by their own if they returned home.

 

As for becoming Pacifists, I think it was George taking a subtle dig at Japan. After WWII, the US created the modern Japanese Constitution, and demanded that the Japanese sign it. Article 9 states and I quote:

 

'Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. 2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized'.

 

Why do you think their military calls itself a Self Defense Force?

[True_Avery]

Sorry, but I don't recall saying all Nazi and everyone in Germany are and forever will be evil heartless monsters.

 

I called Mandalorians a bunch of bastards whom ran around and rained genocide. The Nazi reference was a passing comment. Would you prefer Early Japanese Warlords? Mongols? Spartans? Humans? Terribly written race of space faring people?

 

My point is, they are cardboard cutouts with the word "bad" written across their chest. They have almost no depth outside "We must kill everyone on this planet for our honor and because battle is really, really fun". Genocide is a game to them, and its a game because that is about as much thought was put into their writing.

 

I'm not trying to deconstruct WW2 and give a political talking point on the moral ground of a world war. I'm calling an entire race of people out for being written as the worst kind of people and why I find it baffling they have a following that considers them honorable.

[Astrotoy7]

Great, so a mild TCW rant thread has become an exploration of the the evils of Nazism and the pitfalls associated with describing the History of the Third Reich.

 

History Cat is unimpressed!

 

mtfbwya

[machievelli]

Sorry, but I don't recall saying all Nazi and everyone in Germany are and forever will be evil heartless monsters.

 

I called Mandalorians a bunch of bastards whom ran around and rained genocide. The Nazi reference was a passing comment. Would you prefer Early Japanese Warlords? Mongols? Spartans? Humans? Terribly written race of space faring people?

 

My point is, they are cardboard cutouts with the word "bad" written across their chest. They have almost no depth outside "We must kill everyone on this planet for our honor and because battle is really, really fun". Genocide is a game to them, and its a game because that is about as much thought was put into their writing.

 

I'm not trying to deconstruct WW2 and give a political talking point on the moral ground of a world war. I'm calling an entire race of people out for being written as the worst kind of people and why I find it baffling they have a following that considers them honorable.

 

The ones shown in the game, with the exception of Canderous, were the gutter scum that still wanted to murder and destroy and call it right. Just like those who ran after the Second World war to try to find a way to ressurect it. Judging their race by their action is like judging the entire 100th Bmbardment group of the same war by those who took their name, Hell's Angels

[True_Avery]

The ones shown in the game, with the exception of Canderous, were the gutter scum that still wanted to murder and destroy and call it right. Just like those who ran after the Second World war to try to find a way to ressurect it. Judging their race by their action is like judging the entire 100th Bmbardment group of the same war by those who took their name, Hell's Angels

I'll continue this conversation when you remove your subtext about me being a History Ignorant Bigot for judging a fictional group of people based on what lore is available.

 

This isn't reality. It is fiction. It is the writers job to help me empathize and see this group' point of view; not mine. If I'm not seeing what you're seeing, then I either missed something in the story or you're adding liberal amounts of your own fluff and supposition to the lore.

[Te Darasuum Mandalor]

I do admit that I do sometimes watch CW with my DB9 and DB5 and spend time with them. It is entertaining. We all came to the conclusion Dutchess Whatsherface is an insult to all Mandalorians. Go Deathwatch!

[True_Avery]

I do admit that I do sometimes watch CW with my DB9 and DB5 and spend time with them. It is entertaining. We all came to the conclusion Dutchess Whatsherface is an insult to all Mandalorians. Go Deathwatch!

The Deathwatch want to try to conquer the Galaxy through war, believe in battle circles, and killed mercilessly as Mercenaries. No ideals of diplomacy, etc. Their beliefs are based around the idea that they should be more like the Mandos of the Kotor Era... you know, the ones that rained genocide opon the Republic and innocent planets.

 

They are a bunch of cut-throat murderers. What is there to like about them other than villain quality?

 

They have no honor.