rfa_vasquez Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Should we go to War with Iraq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfa_vasquez Posted September 11, 2002 Author Share Posted September 11, 2002 IMO war is the answer.I saw we go in and kill them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 I dont know much about the current situation with Iraq(I am trying to be ignorant and have bliss...) so I cant comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 war is never the answer. never. think what it does to the ppl and the country. think about that. cities r bombed, ppl r killed and when the war is over the country has no penny and cant even rebuild itself. think about the economy. to solve the crisis in the middle east i think that first of all the crisis in israel needs to be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorganfloss Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 I say blow their fvcl<ing heads off!Muhahahahahha:mob: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehomicidalegg Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 it aint gonna hurt sadamm but it will create more enemies and potential enemies that will end up continuing this cycle of bloodshed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 yes, why not kill more innocent people ffs! War is never the answer especially nowadays with nuclear armageddon only a button push away. I would like my children to grow up in a peaceful world thank you very much. All you blood thirsty idiots are so narrowminded. How many more innocent lives must be lost before people realise that there is more to this world than us humans. Half of you don't even know the real politics behind all this and you are running your mouths off making yourselves look stupid. Do ANY of you realise that the Afghan jihad was backed with American dollars and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and he received security training from the CIA itself. Bin Laden's associates operate in over forty countries - in Europe and North America, as well as in the Middle East and Asia, he has spys eveywhere. Do you think it will be an easy war? Well I have news for you, it wont! Where will it end, armegedon is where it will end. Alot of you better get your facts straight before you start crying WAR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessliar Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I completely agree, leXX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I wouldnt necessarily say kill them all. But there deffinately needs to be some military action. Lexx made a good point. If piss Iraq off enough, it is quite a posibility they could do something utterly horrible such as detonate nuclear bombs, or other things they have up their sleeves. I think that right now, we really need to think about what we are going to do. Cause if something slips up the consequences will be unbearable. And you cant just rush in there gung ho style. There is a LOT more to war than running up to the enemey and shooting them in the face. There is startegy, you have to antisipate(sp?) consequences for your actions. WAR IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO. All you blood thirsty idiots are so narrowminded. How many more innocent lives must be lost before people realise that there is more to this world than us humans. Half of you don't even know the real politics behind all this and you are running your mouths off making yourselves look stupid. PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!! gee you couldnt have said it better Lexx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by gorganfloss I say blow their fvcl<ing heads off!Muhahahahahha:mob: pardon me, but this statement makes you look like a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by thehomicidalegg it aint gonna hurt sadamm but it will create more enemies and potential enemies that will end up continuing this cycle of bloodshed i agree, war is never EVER the answer, and i'm glad that most of the swampies also see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_101 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 FATTEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by kstar__2 i agree, war is never EVER the answer, and i'm glad that most of the swampies also see that true true, but eventually we will have to do SOMETHING. I am not saying fighting, but eventually something will have to be done such as making compromises or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by XERXES true true, but eventually we will have to do SOMETHING. I am not saying fighting, but eventually something will have to be done such as making compromises or whatever. u are right, but i don't think that iraq is treatning us right now on this moment, or even in this week, month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by rfa_vasquez Should we go to War with Iraq Who is we? Is "We" the USA? Is it the UN? Is it Bob from down the road? If "We" is the USA - No - there is no place for one country to bomb and invade another, without it being sanctioned by a body like NATO or UN, who in the current context, will be more objective than the USA will be. Just remember the country with the largest amount of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is the USA, don't go throwing stones at glass houses................... Don't be the world's bully, it will only upset more people than you could imagine...... especially in the Middle East, the last thing you need is to get any of those countries in anything remotely close to a religious war, as many allies may jump ship along religious lines...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Starblazer Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Well, I'm saying that no, they shouldn't. But also, to people that say war isn't the answer and solves nothing, that's not entirely true. Sometimes, war is necessary, the only possible course of action that can be taken to ensure the safety of innocent people, is to sometimes lose the ones who are willing to fight for said innocent people. There are soldiers that enlist just so they can "blow sh*t up!", but there are also soldiers, fathers, brothers, mothers, etc, that enlist because they, like LeXX, want their children to grow up in a safer world than them. And if the price the of freedom of their children is their own lives, then that's the price they're willing to pay. "And if according to my fate I am to lose my life, please bless with your protecting hand my children and my wife." When someone slaughtered over 6 million innocent people, invadeded other countries, and was trying to take over all of Europe, and perhaps the world, it was time for war. There was no other choice of action, and it brought peace, for a time. But peace is not something that can just be given, by taking away weapons. Peace is something that everyone has to want, has to long for. Peace isn't just the absence of war, it's the willingness to not fight ever again. The problem is, people want to fight, want to kill, they wish revenge for their fallen, which only creates the longing for more revenge. And revenge my friends is sweet at first, but eventually turns to ashes in your mouth. When people can finally put aside their differences, and ask "Why? Why are we fighting?", then there will be peace. Until then, there will always be a time and place when war is neccessary, but this is neither the time, nor the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneCanoli Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I didn't vote for either option here. We don't need to "kill them all." That's freaking ridiculous. But for those of you who say that war is never the answer, let me ask you this: do you think we should've let Hitler's Nazis and the Empire of Japan take over the world in the 1940's? That's basically what you're saying, isn't it? I'm sorry, but I'm very glad I'm not a Nazi - and I would be, today, if people two generations ago didn't do something about it. I would agree on the statement that war is a horrible thing that people can't even contemplate until they've seen it first hand. But I'd also say that it's what we have to do in a last ditch effort, when appeasing and diplomacy are simply no longer working, or never worked from the start. If you want freedom, you must be ready to defend it and fight for it at certain times. Now, as for the question at hand: I believe that Saddam's regime needs to go, and that it needs to be replaced. I would hope that there is some alternative than going to a full-scale-ish war with Iraq to accomplish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by kstar__2 u are right, but i don't think that iraq is treatning us right now on this moment, or even in this week, month yes, true. But Iraq doesnt exactly trust us because last time we inspected their contry our inspectors spied also and found out bomb targets they had...... And yes they arent directly threatening us now, but eventually something will come up and require something to be done. Not necessarily fight, but compromise also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 War isn't the only alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 US intelligence has been digging for a connection between bin Ladin and Saddam Hussein for the last 366 days, now. They've found nothing. That was the first reason that was given to justify war with Iraq, was it not? That Hussein is aiding Al Queda in its holy war against the US? Well, 366 days after that domestic strike on the WTC, there's no link between the two. When the anthrax first showed up, immediately, they jumped on Hussein--it was later proven to be from a domestic source. Now, the administration's reason is that they have nuclear and biological weapons that could be used against us if we don't strike now, NOW, NOW! Well they don't have nuclear weapons--there is no proof whatsoever about that. They've never had nuclear capabilities, and have no technology close to our ICBMs. Even if they did have nukes, they'd have NO WAY of using them against the US. However, Hussein wants to live--he is not like those religious fanatics who walk into a crowded area and blow themselves up. He wants to live and stay in power, and all this talk about a regime change? What do you think that means? That means his death, doesn't it? If Hussein's final hour grows near and he does have nukes (not saying he does, now), then what's to stop him from firing--not on the US, but on Israel? What would that do to the Middle East? That would be complete destabilization and possibly the end of humanity as we know it. I might sound like I'm contradicting myself, here... but I'm just looking at both sides of the issue: Here are our two options: 1) If he doesn't have nukes, he's no threat, period--there would be NO REASON to go after him and this would NOT BE A JUST WAR. 2) He does have nukes, but won't use them because he knows--just like America knows, just like Pakistan knows, just like China and Russia know--that to use a nuke in this day and age means MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION. He won't use them unless his life is over, and logic would state that, in a case like this, YOU DO NOT PUT HIM IN A POSITION WHERE HE KNOWS HE WILL DIE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER! The same goes for his biological and chemical armaments: more likely than not, he won't use them unless he's provoked. Iraq is a secularist country, not a theocracy like Afghanistan under the Taliban. Saddam Hussien's deputy Prime Minister, Tariq Azziz, is a Christian! Christians are not persecuted in Iraq, women are able to go to school. In fact, one could argue that the US is doing more harm in Iraq than Hussein because of the sanctions. Because of our continued pressing of the sanctions, we're denying them vital medicines and supplies which would improve the lives of millions. Why do we punish the people for the blunder of their leader a decade ago? Why? So we could destabilize their government and coerce them into throwing down someone we don't like. Maybe they have no interest in overthrowing Saddam... or maybe Saddam is using the sanctions against us by saying that the US doesn't care about them! America cares about OIL! Saddam's got it--we don't like Saddam... we should just go into Baghdad, raze it to the ground, killing thousands (this is no small city, remember), or resort to street-fighting (against innocent people who have no love for us... they might :gasp: fight to preserve the life of their leader against us!). May God bless America and keep us from going to war with Iraq! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I diden't vote I don't like all the choices, war isen't just to kill people it's to fight for freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalStrike Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Who cares if he is a threat to the US or not. Fact: Saddam is a mad man that has chemical weapons which he has already used on his own people Fact: Saddam has broken every aspect of the peace treaty with him AND has fired on our aircraft. This ALONE is reason to get him out of power Fact: Saddam is a Tyrant and tortures, rapes, muders, and oppresses his own people Fact: Saddam has always said that America is his enemy. Thus he would not turn over terrorist members to us and protecting them is an act of war. So you see while we should want to "kill them all" we should want to remove Saddam. by the way if we don not go to war, people still will die, Saddam will keep killing his own people, and will eventually give someone a toy to kill us with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by FatalStrike by the way if we don not go to war, people still will die, Saddam will keep killing his own people, and will eventually give someone a toy to kill us with. people will die no matter what. The question is how can we achieve our "goal" with the least loss of life. And Iraq has no nuclear weapons, and have no way to use them if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima kake Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 War is for people who don't have the intelligence to listen to each other, and try to understand each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalStrike Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Originally posted by XERXES people will die no matter what. The question is how can we achieve our "goal" with the least loss of life. And Iraq has no nuclear weapons, and have no way to use them if they did. You are right they have no Nukes...YET! The best course of action had alwas been to prevent something from happening. He can use them once he gets them because terrorist would be more then happy to strap them on their backs and kill themselves along with a major US city. If you believe that you couldn't get one in the country then you haven't been paying attention. Illegal aliens get in by the THOUSANDS, but you would have me believe that a guy with a suitcase would have no chance of entering the country? Be real. This guy is a threat to the US, to Israel, to the Middle East, and to his own people. We waited with Hitler, we let him grow, we allowed him to get stronger by saying "he is no threat." The problem is by the time these wackos become threats they cause millions of deaths before you can stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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