C'jais Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 yes, but its a flase link. Not many people are finding it funny, just Wacky, and well yeh, hes wacky. Rhett deleted it. Look at the adress. I'm surprised at you, and disappointed, Cjais... Disappointed? I'm getting disappointed at the strange defination of "spam" in this forum. A thread about Jesus and his apostles recently got locked - The mods feared a flame war. I think this is overreacting - it was obviously meant as good fun. If it was locked, how come my evolution thread wasn't locked too? It's way more "offensive". Aren't we friggin' old enough to handle this kind of topics? To laugh at what's meant to be laughed at, to take serious that which is meant to be taken serious. The mods lock topics left and right because they fear flame wars - yet they tolerate the dozens upon dozens of dubious game threads and blatant no topic threads, and hundreds of jaw-droppingly silly linkage threads are being left alive - because that, that's not spam. If a flame war is raging - let it rage out for heavens sake, and for the sake of good discussion. NO one is going to be emotionally scarred by that, and people are still gonna like each other afterwards, because we are, after all, grown humans. I can handle that my thread got locked because there were some pornographic images on it. I can handle the no swearing code of conduct, because this is a PG rated forum (I think that's how they put it). I cannot handle the defination of "spam" and "flaming" in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 Originally posted by the original Rebel, Cjais Rhett deleted it. Look at the adress. Yes, I found Rhett's comment amusing, not the actual link (which I never saw) Disappointed? I'm getting disappointed at the strange defination of "spam" in this forum. Then why lower yourself to that level, when all that I've seen from you up until now has been quality, and mostly thought-provoking? A thread about Jesus and his apostles recently got locked - The mods feared a flame war. I think this is overreacting - it was obviously meant as good fun. If it was locked, how come my evolution thread wasn't locked too? It's way more "offensive". I disagree. Evolution has some basis, but the other thread had no 'real' reason - thus it was not as tolerable as yours... Aren't we friggin' old enough to handle this kind of topics? To laugh at what's meant to be laughed at, to take serious that which is meant to be taken serious. How can you ask that after seeing what's happened to the Swamp? ...And there are a LOT of people here who would NOT appreciate something like what I understand you posted a link to - even in jest. The mods lock topics left and right because they fear flame wars - yet they tolerate the dozens upon dozens of dubious game threads and blatant no topic threads, and hundreds of jaw-droppingly silly linkage threads are being left alive - because that, that's not spam. I can't argue here, but I will say that the community would die if we did not have these game threads to keep people interested now that the objective of this forum has been accomplished. If a flame war is raging - let it rage out for heavens sake, and for the sake of good discussion. NO one is going to be emotionally scarred by that, and people are still gonna like each other afterwards, because we are, after all, grown humans. Not everyone can cope with things the same way you may be able to; don't assume anything. I can handle that my thread got locked because there were some pornographic images on it. I can handle the no swearing code of conduct, because this is a PG rated forum (I think that's how they put it). I cannot handle the defination of "spam" and "flaming" in this forum. Then leave. I'm sorry if that seems harsh, but that's how it is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<Im Yo Pusha> Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 I agree with Cjais, everyone throws out the term "spam", and while there are a lot of stupid posts...people can say whatever. I dont understand why the mods keep closing Veers' threads, let him do what he wants. There are a lot of what u call "trolls" joining, but its funny....u mods need to calm down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima kake Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 well the swamp was, is and will be a strange place. But a fun one. But I don't get it too why sometimes a thread is locked while others are not. But it makes the swamp diffrent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted December 11, 2002 Author Share Posted December 11, 2002 Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy Then why lower yourself to that level, when all that I've seen from you up until now has been quality, and mostly thought-provoking? Because you cannot be thought-provoking all the time. I found the site hilarious in all of its ridiculousness. It was supposed to be, good earnest fun really. I disagree. Evolution has some basis, but the other thread had no 'real' reason - thus it was not as tolerable as yours... Is the freedom of speech being brutally slaughtered here? Can people not make jokes about Jesus anymore? Threads don't need any reason for discussion, as the swamp is living proof of - it's pathetic IMHO. I say, from now on, every thread must have some basis for good, solid discussion - with several points of views and insightful debates. There. How can you ask that after seeing what's happened to the Swamp? ...And there are a LOT of people here who would NOT appreciate something like what I understand you posted a link to - even in jest. Then they should look away. I'm not going to spoon feed them up to a grade 3 level maturity here - I'm really detesting the bland atmosphere of this place, but hey, don't go locking ridiculous threads on my behalf. That said, I only discovered the nude pictures after it was mentioned - I seriously thought it was only about 4 legged studs. I can't argue here, but I will say that the community would die if we did not have these game threads to keep people interested now that the objective of this forum has been accomplished. Game threads are fine. Ridiculous game threads are fine. 24 ridiculous game threads is bordering on the intolerable. Not everyone can cope with things the same way you may be able to; don't assume anything. Yes, the world is a big nasty place, innit? What's so terrifyingly offensive about loud mouthed discussion? I'm sorry, but I think everyone here are underestimating people's maturity and willingness to take things in good jest, IMHO. Then leave. I'm sorry if that seems harsh, but that's how it is right now. I'm considering it. This is beginning to look like the self-censoring of the 50's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 I can see where you're coming from, and, underneath it all, I agree with you... Our methods are at opposite ends od the spectrum, however... I don't go in for your shock tactics-style, because I believe it better to change things with patience and determination, not with brute force... But perhaps that's that's just me... I'd be sad to see you go, Jais, but you're going to have to accept that this place is very unlikely to change overnight, and understand that it will take time to get it back to something more worthwhile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git_sum_stuka Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Can someone give me a definition of a "flame war" and what's a thread thats locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by git_sum_stuka Can someone give me a definition of a "flame war" and what's a thread thats locked? war of words, unnecessary insults, unconstructive criticism, that sort of thing a locked thread is one you can no longer post in. check out the rules and regs at the top, it's all there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git_sum_stuka Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by Sivy B war of words, unnecessary insults, unconstructive criticism, that sort of thing a locked thread is one you can no longer post in. check out the rules and regs at the top, it's all there thnx dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Sorry, man. I thoguht you just purposely posted a lin ktaht didn't work, which was why I didn't think it was funny. I saw the new link, like ohmygod rhett thing, but I thought YOU put that. so sorry man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 How about, let US do our job. We do it well, and we do it to serve you. If you see something you don't like, don't attack them. Report the post to a mod. Thats what the button is there for. We edit/lock/delete what we think is needed. It is our judgement that keeps the forums in peace. I don't want to give off the impression that I am being unruly, though. I am just stating that we are doing our best to serve you guys. As Rhett once said(or someone said): "We see it so you don't have to." This is a good saying. We take many things that *some* users say, some even go as far as to send us nasty emails. But that is our job, and we do our best at it. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Yeah, flame wars are great. I miss flaming people I don't know for no apparent reason. That's what they pay me the big bucks for. *get tapped on the shoulder* What do you mean I don't get paid to mod? Aahh...you see. This is a full time volunteer job. We get no pay to put up with all of the crap that gets posted up here, and believe me, there's a ton of crap out there. The big chief people tell me to stop potential flame wars from starting, I do it. They trust my discretion and instinct for sensing these things. And when you've been sniffing out these things for 3+ years, you kinda develop a sixth sense about these things. That's why I closed that Jesus thread. Something that's supposed to be good fun rapidly degenerates into cussing and yelling and people getting offended. Then I wouldn't be doing my job right, now would I? Personally, I'd like to lock all the stupid game threads, silly threads or any sort of thread that entails idiocy on some level, and in here, there's plenty of that. But if I did that, people would complain, call me mean and unfair and liken this place to a dictatorship. See, we mods can't win either way. So just sit back and enjoy the Swamp as it is. You always have the option of going elsewhere, as was conveniently pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 I THINK THE MODS JUST NEED TO VACATE THE SWAMP FOR 2 WEEKS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS! seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hekx Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 But can they stay away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHobGoblin Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Good Idea they should do it without telling. Anyhow I'm with Cjais. We all aren't in 4th or 3rd grade. We all make these kinda jokes in our lives. But he doesn't want any problem here I see. So your both right on certain things. So hopefully I solved the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 People just need to learn not to take things so seriously. The doofiest little thing can set someone off. Personally, I think the mods need to accept that some flames are going to happen. Welcome to the internet, the land in which you can insult people without fear of getting clocked in the nose. It sucks, I agree. I can name half a dozen people here I would have socked for outright prick-ishness. But anywhere you go in the net, it's gonna be that way. When you start publicly attracting the unwashed masses, people with either no sense of humor, or no sense of tact, are going to trickle in. Rather than just locking every thread you think "might be offensive," let it go for a little while. Actually see if flames start rising. I didnt really see anything threatening on that Jesus thread, and I've been netsurfing for well over 6 years. I didnt smell smoke. I saw some potential, if it fell way off topic. But if people didnt like it, there was no need for them to respond. Just snort, think nasty things about the person if needs be, and click the back button on your browser. Whoopy... Now I hope this gets through before this topic is (inevitably) closed... You know, mods, it really doesnt look good when threads criticizing your peformance are locked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehomicidalegg Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 these days one MUST be politically correct, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 -Edit- I Take all that back. The Admins and Mods are doing they're best to keep things enjoyable for us... I think if anything they deserve a pat on the back... Might I Say: Thank you Admins and Mods... All of you, for dedicating your time to make our lifes more enjoyable. I Tip my hat to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 You know, mods, it really doesnt look good when threads criticizing your peformance are locked.... Eh. Do we care? Not really. I refer you to this wonderful little piece of legal skullduggery from our own dear matt-windu. Legal Skullwhatsits Anything that don't fit, it don't stay on. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Well I say the Mods and Admins are doing a great job and it is about time everyone stopped moaning and realised that they do this job voluntarily. Imagine for a moment that there were no mods! Yep... not a pretty picture is it. It is up to them what they lock and what they censor. Who cares? It's only a forum, ppl need to stop taking everything so seriously. If you don't like the way this place is run, don't come here, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted December 12, 2002 Author Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy I can see where you're coming from, and, underneath it all, I agree with you... Our methods are at opposite ends od the spectrum, however... I don't go in for your shock tactics-style, because I believe it better to change things with patience and determination, not with brute force... But perhaps that's that's just me... I tried the "slow and patient" approach, but I'm soon running out of non-offensive, good topics. If you see something you don't like, don't attack them. Report the post to a mod. Thats what the button is there for. Thing is, I haven't seen anything offensive in the swamp for ages (except the one, single time I reported a very rude swamper). Maybe it's just me, but I find the discussions going on here very calm and not at all flamy. We edit/lock/delete what we think is needed. It is our judgement that keeps the forums in peace. I don't want to give off the impression that I am being unruly, though. I am just stating that we are doing our best to serve you guys. As Rhett once said(or someone said): "We see it so you don't have to." This is a good saying. We take many things that *some* users say, some even go as far as to send us nasty emails. But that is our job, and we do our best at it. I know you're trying to do your best Obi, and you are doing a good job mostly - I just find your defination of what's flaming and what's spam a bit weird sometimes. I seriously doubt that anything that's ever been said on these forum has hurt anyone, at all. If I see someone calling all Danes rabid pigs, I'm not going to freak out - and even if I did, I doubt someone would find it very offensive, just silly (both me freaking out and the other guy). People are mature enough to handle that, aren't we? Rather than just locking every thread you think "might be offensive," let it go for a little while. Actually see if flames start rising. I didnt really see anything threatening on that Jesus thread, and I've been netsurfing for well over 6 years. I didnt smell smoke. I saw some potential, if it fell way off topic. But if people didnt like it, there was no need for them to respond. Just snort, think nasty things about the person if needs be, and click the back button on your browser. Whoopy... Shock said it. If things start to get heated, don't close it, let it run out. What you find offensive, I find good, interesting discussion - people can just avoid reading it if they're emotionally hurt by doing so. Moderators are here to keep the trolls at bay, and stopping thread spamming, not shutting down what could have been a break from the bland non-discussion going on here. The big chief people tell me to stop potential flame wars from starting, I do it. They trust my discretion and instinct for sensing these things. And when you've been sniffing out these things for 3+ years, you kinda develop a sixth sense about these things. That's why I closed that Jesus thread. Something that's supposed to be good fun rapidly degenerates into cussing and yelling and people getting offended. Then I wouldn't be doing my job right, now would I? The big chief people tell you to stop potential flame wars? I highly doubt most people do that, it's more likely the mods that have agreed it is so. If the thread did evovle into flaming, people can look away and let the participants sort it out - that's the beauty of the internet: You always have the option of going elsewhere, as you pointed out. If people are mature enough to kill hundres of stormtroopers, they're mature enough to handle literal insults without breaking down and crying. And they can always look the other way if they don't like the sight of their own penis. As an example, what was said in the evolution thread between me, ZDawg, WhiteRaider and M54 was good discussion. Do I hate them, think they're bad characters for believing in Christ, hold it against them, refuse to talk to them again? No. I respect them just as much as before, even more so, because they dared open their mouth about "personal" matters. Regarding spam, if the mods can tolerate the current list of threads as of right now, they can tolerate anything. Either enforce a strict spam policy, or none at all. I'm leaning towards the latter - only stop, lock and delete thread spammage, because that is downright irritating. If I see a post saying -"LOL" and nothing else, my eyes aren't going to bleed. If I see an overly long post, I can always use the handy dandy scroll wheel and proceed reading. If you lock this thread, I'm not going to hold it against you - but now, we're for once actually discussing something, with more than one point of view 'n everything. I find Rogue15's reply interesting. Of course we do need the mods for whacking trolls, but I really don't think the swamp would degenerate into some obscure anarchy if you stopped modding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 It'd be a lot more spam filled and you'd be a lot more annoyed, I'll guarantee you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted December 12, 2002 Author Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine Eh. Do we care? Not really. I refer you to this wonderful little piece of legal skullduggery from our own dear matt-windu. Legal Skullwhatsits Anything that don't fit, it don't stay on. Simple. Below rules, I find point 3 very noteworthy, in detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 What is real issue here? Are you trying to say you don't mind SPAM and FLAME WARS? This place is bad enough, you start being more leniant and all hell will break loose. I think the exact opposite should happen. I'm glad idiot flame wars are stopped in their tracks. Truth is, 90% of the ppl in here lack the intelligence to hold a decent argument without it getting personal. I don't want to see personal attacks on ppl go unpunished. And stop calling the game threads SPAM. They are meant for FUN, you know, FUN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted December 12, 2002 Author Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by leXX What is real issue here? Are you trying to say you don't mind SPAM and FLAME WARS? Depends on what is defined as flaming. If the current parameters are used, then yes - I love flame wars. Even if things ran rampant and flaming was tolerated, I highly doubt I'd care enough for the thread to be closed - anything is more exciting than what's going on now. Here's the deal: You see a flame war. What do you do? Do you tear into it and participate? Do you find it boring and proceed to create a better thread, or find somewhere else to post? Do you care? Do you lock it, and stop the "flaming"? Do you lock it before the "flaming" has even begun? I do mind spam, but I'm just so careless when it comes down to it. Look at the swamp right now. Look at it - 95% of all topics lack a topic. Every thread turns into small talk. Do I bitch and moan about the mods blatantly ignoring rule 3? Do I care if this place turns into RSN? Nay. This place is bad enough, you start being more leniant and all hell will break loose. Would it now? Lenient with regards to what? Spam or flaming? Flame wars are way more interesting than the current non-topics (your favourite yadda yadda). All hell has already broken loose with regards to spam, people are just blind enough to not realize it. Show me a thread that has turned into a flame war, and I will show you a thread that has a topic, is interesting to many people, and brings people's opinions out like nothing else. This is what I crave. I'm glad idiot flame wars are stopped in their tracks. Lexx, of all people, why do you care? You're one of the best person I've ever seen to avoid topics you do not like talking about. Why do you want flame wars stopped? Do they bother you? No. I don't think they bother anyone but the mods and people not participating in them. Truth is, 90% of the ppl in here lack the intelligence to hold a decent argument without it getting personal. I don't want to see personal attacks on ppl go unpunished. That, lexx, is a flame with regards to point 1 of the rules. Why do you want to punish people because they're voicing their opinions? Why do you care? This is the internet ffs - these forums are more strict about the freedom of speech than the real world. If you don't like what's being said here, don't go outside your house - because that, that's the world, and it's controlled far less than these forums. Anything can be said outside your front door, and people aren't giving a damn about it. And stop calling the game threads SPAM. They are meant for FUN, you know, FUN. I know. As stated several times before, I can handle the game threads. But I cannot handle everyone's need to create 17 game threads. 3 should be enough, dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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