Naphtali Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 How do you believe he will orchestrate the fall of the jedi, will he use the apathy built against the jedi by the republic. One scenario could be that accuses the Jedi leaders of trying to conspire with the sepratist Leader count Dooku. Coundt Dooku "I can tell you who the sith is, he iss right in your midst, he is". Palpatiene declares the jedi ineffective, weak and now with the army and the accusations declares them enemy of the republic. What scenario do you see being schemed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 I just think that he'll recruit anakin as his new apprentice, and make him kill the Jedi. As for declaring himself emperor, he'll just do it. He wont have a vote for it. With the Clonearmy he wont have any opposition[sp?], and therefore he will become emperor really easy. Thats my thought on this matter. -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 i think the same as clemme, he will just take more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 I agree with you guys. Making the Jedi look like traitors and waging open war on them is good speculation. He might begin the war with a surprise attack by bombing the Jedi temple which would kill a bunch of them including the council. And the rest would be hunted down by Vader and the huge forces of the new Empire. He could also recruit a bunch of dark Jedi to assist Vader in his conquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 I don't think he can recruit a dark jedi. he can only transform them into sith but not Dark Jedi mercenaries no way. They would want no crap with a sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Really? Are you sure? Im pretty sure that Dark Jedi hate the Jedi and would love to get rid of em. They arent Sith but theyd be on the same side dont you think? And if its credits theyre after I know the Empire would give em a **** load of money. I dont know much about relations between Dark Jedi and Sith. Am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deft Aklin Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Most of the Jedi will be dead after the Clone war. He won't have much to get rid of. Doesn't anybody else remember the arena scene? Jedi aren't invincible, and even with such an army, many Jedi will die. If I recall correctly, there will only be a 10% survival ratio, but don't take my word for I cannot remember the source. That would probably translate into less than a hundred Jedi. Assume most of the young Padawans and all of the bear clan never received enough training, so none of them count. I'm just going to ramble now, so I will stop typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Well I don't think Dark Jedi have such a nice relationship with Sith. Basically, they know (the Dark Jedi) that you can't trust a Sith and vice versa. Even with loads of credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 yeah i read what Darth_Sidious said somewhere. after the clone war there isn't many jedi left. and i have a feeling that the jedi academy will be bombed killing off most of the remaining jedi. so vader will only need to kill a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naphtali Posted February 17, 2003 Author Share Posted February 17, 2003 10,000 jedi Knights before the clone wars, do you seriously think their just 10 or 9 left for Vadar to kill, of course, i still think because of the clones, as you seen on geonosis is not like jedi are fighting alone, its more like 1 jedi knigh per squad maybe assissted by their padawan. The jedi will be more exhausted from the war and beaten up. However Anakin will rise among them, betray, and then most likely kill the most significan't ones. others would be left to bounty hunters and clones. Dark Jedi, im not sure on this, I mean from the way the films have indicated, their hasn't been really just a dark jedi, however their are the lost tweenty who left the order, because they felt the jedi were weakened by the corruption. So maybe these negative thoughts led them to assist in their destruction thinking they will bring back a new jedi order, sith have other plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 i think he will find a way to blame the whole war on the Jedi and then arrest them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Originally posted by Darth_Sidious Most of the Jedi will be dead after the Clone war. He won't have much to get rid of. Doesn't anybody else remember the arena scene? Jedi aren't invincible, and even with such an army, many Jedi will die. If I recall correctly, there will only be a 10% survival ratio, but don't take my word for I cannot remember the source. That would probably translate into less than a hundred Jedi. Assume most of the young Padawans and all of the bear clan never received enough training, so none of them count. I'm just going to ramble now, so I will stop typing. 10% survival would still be about a thousand jedi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro The Hutt Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 And I can't see how the public would believe that the people who guarded peace in the republic for over a thousand generations (to quote Obi-Wan) suddenly becoming traitors. If anything Vader had a lot of help in slaughtering the Jedi, either other Dark Jedi/secudec Jedi apprentices or troopers.(even a skilled Jedi wouldn't be up against 100 troopers when he's on his own, so just a matter of getting one apart and creating a numerically way too overwhelming force) And I can't really see bounty hunters doing that since most of them would know to fear a Jedi. (especially when facing them in a one on one fashion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle_KatarnJedi Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Originally posted by Naphtali How do you believe he will orchestrate the fall of the jedi, will he use the apathy built against the jedi by the republic. One scenario could be that accuses the Jedi leaders of trying to conspire with the sepratist Leader count Dooku. Coundt Dooku "I can tell you who the sith is, he iss right in your midst, he is". Palpatiene declares the jedi ineffective, weak and now with the army and the accusations declares them enemy of the republic. What scenario do you see being schemed Interesting, I never quite heard it that way before, seem's possible that it could happen that way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaJango Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 Makes sense to me. But Lucas should give the Jedi another battle sequence. They shouldn't die like whimps. Maybe a space battle with Jedi Starfighters or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naphtali Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by Pedro The Hutt And I can't see how the public would believe that the people who guarded peace in the republic for over a thousand generations (to quote Obi-Wan) suddenly becoming traitors. If anything Vader had a lot of help in slaughtering the Jedi, either other Dark Jedi/secudec Jedi apprentices or troopers.(even a skilled Jedi wouldn't be up against 100 troopers when he's on his own, so just a matter of getting one apart and creating a numerically way too overwhelming force) And I can't really see bounty hunters doing that since most of them would know to fear a Jedi. (especially when facing them in a one on one fashion) Easy, most senators have become corrupted remember, the jedi haven't really provided the republic with what they have now an army that obeys orders. The jedi have apathy built up agai nst them from their lack of action. Now this can easily be twisted by palpatiene into the jedi are traitors in that they can find out who Palpatiene is and go after him leaving Palpatine to manipulate the republic even further to reject the jedi. Another Iv'e thought about that is even more interesting is if Dooku sees his opportunity to give the jedi the full info on Sidious, to destroy him leaving Dooku to have his way. However this would obviously mean that Sidious becomes aware in time of Dooku's full betrayl and intent to replace and rules the order himself. Thus Sidious again challanges Anakin to trust in his powers again(emotion) and uses the guise of "Anakin your the only one who can end this war by destroying Dooku, with the power you had before". Anakin will have something to prove weather Dooku is just trying to get Sidious killed to take his place, or if he's seen the error of his ways and his help is giving him a shot at redemption. Anakin duels Dooku, kill's him which will bring the rage of the other Jedi and Obiwan who now realizes what he must do. An additional possiblity could be the mergence of the lost tweenty here. Make no mistake about bounty hunters will be all over the jedi for the credits they can receive, poison, hand to hand without lightsaber, sniper, barrage of good aimed blast as proven can even take out jedi so if anything their is an immediate disadvantage when compared to long range weaponry especially when used right. This is just of course a possible scenario, but i sincerely think and hope that GL does make it more complex like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 Sidious will just get rid of them, he doesn't need to ask permission now. Remember thanks to the dumd Gungan he has been granted emergency powers therefore he can do what he wants legally. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Dooku's report about the Sith's control of the Senate may have been a calculated move made with the intention of its being the catalist for the Jedi Purge. Here's an exert from the Adventures of Luke Starkiller (George Lucas, 1975): As the Republic spread throughout the galaxy, encompassing over a million worlds, the GREAT SENATE grew to such overwhelming proportions that it no longer responded to the needs of its citizens. After a series of assassinations and elaborately rigged elections, the Great Senate became secretly controlled by the Power and Transport guilds. When the Jedi discovered the conspiracy and attempted to purge the Senate, they were denounced as traitors. Now, replace the "Power and Transport guilds" with "The Sith" and you have the same exact senario, with a different baddie behind it. Dooku revealed the "conspiracy", which results in the Jedi "attempting to purge the senate" which gets the Jedi "denounced as traitors", which results in the Jedi Purge. So what did the Sith gain by revealing their intentions to the Jedi? They got the opportunity to annhilate their greatest enemies, with the galaxy backing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarScream423 Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Palpatine has already been given emergency powers, so he can declare himself Emperor whenever he most pleases. The so called traitorous forces to the republic led by Dooku, I believe, will become the Rebel Alliance(sorry if this is obvious to you all, and already proven, I don't frequent movie forums too often) and the Jedi will soon discover about Palpatine's plot, and then he will find out that they know, and announce that they are traitors of the republic and will exterminate them. The people of the new Empire will be too afraid of the iron fist that Palpatine is waving in their faces. Eventually Anakin will defeat Dooku, and become Sidious' new apprentice(as that is the way of the Sith). The clonetroopers will obviously become the stormtroopers... I believe that Dooku has a separate agenda than that of Sidious, perhaps taking over power himself, but with his death, Mon Mothma, who thought all along this was for peace, will be placed into power, and will lead the Rebels against the Empire. Perhaps the Death Star plans were seized by Anakin as proof of Dooku's death? And proof of his value to Sidious and the Empire? I have a feeling there are many holes in this, as I haven't watched Episode II in a while, since late last year I believe, so I haven't been able to beef up as much as you others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 so then palpatine causes his own fall if he has the rebel alliance created to start the clone war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Palpatine cannot declair himself Emperor just yet. True, he has been granted emergency powers, but if he is seen as overstepping himself (and I think proclaiming himself Emperor would be seen as overstepping himself) then he can still be deposed. The Clone Army is currently under the command of the Jedi Knights (who are also operating out of the justice department, which is under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Chancellor... but we won't get into that whole can of worms just now). What Palpatine needs to do is smear the Order's good reputation, turn the fickle public against them, and take direct control of the Clone Army, lest his own army be led against him. As for any relationship between the Separatist Movement and the Rebel Alliance--I don't believe it exists. The motivation behind the Alliance is to reinstate the Democratic Republic, whereas the Separatists are trying to secede from that Republic. Lucas also makes it very clear in the screenplay (if not in the movie) that the Separatists have a fascist undercurrent: Padme: ...I know of your treaties with the Trade Federation, the Commerce Guilds, and the others, Count. What is happening here is not government that has been bought out by business... It's business becoming government! And in the immortal words of F.D.R., "Fascism is what happens when corporations run the state." The Empire and the Separatists show two sides to fascism: the Empire is a military dictatorship, the Separatists are a corporate dictatorship. I had a longer, better post... but it was munched. Stupid hot-keys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 I think that Palpatine will tell the senate that Dooku's army is growing and that the only wat to stop him is to bow to his wishes. He will use his Sith powers to force the seate to agree with him. At the end someone will redesign the Clonetroopers armor and voila! Stormtroopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 yeah i have been wondering how they will change the clone troopers armor to look like stormtroopers that we all know and love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 yeah i have been wondering how they will change the clone troopers armor to look like stormtroopers that we all know and love According to the Art of Attack of the Clones, the Clonetrooper armor is light-weight metal, whereas the Stormtrooper armor is high-impact plastic. The reason for the change in armor is to adopt new technology, which gives them the opportunity to redesign the armor to strike more fear into the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleto4_ryan Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Well....i will not specualate about how emperor shall do it but i will say this. That character is one of the most-clever-fox-one person... He made the whole mess in the first episode just to take the place in the parliament(?).... and he created all this confusion in second just to start taking more powers. He uses anyone.... he shows that he has some plans but truly he just plaies with the minds of both sides and so makes his plans that are totally different from wich they look like... INCRIDIBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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