Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 watched the new dvd of Return of the Jedi last night which resurfaced some of my questions aobut the whole darned shindig, firstly, what happens to Vader that is fatal before his mask is taken off? secondly in the celebrations, on Coruscant is the Jedi council building there/added? and if so why? i would have thought Palpatine would have torn it down. and thirdly i know its been asked before by why is Hayden Christensen at the end? as the story of Anakin/Vader goes it makes no sense to present him as the young fool who ended up as Darth Vader rather than the redeemed man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 For the first question, I guess it's because Palpy was throwing down some major for shockings. Question two and three have the same answer: Because Lucas is a crazy old man that needs to stop tinkering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 it was the dark side that kept darth vader alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothiX Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 As for the second question; didn't the emperor leave it there as a sign of his victory? Thought I read that in a EU book.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Leper Messiah what happens to Vader that is fatal before his mask is taken off? when he picks up the emperor his suit gets fried by the force lightning. so all the life-support systems that are built into the suit stop working, so vader knew he wouldn't live long. thats why vader never used force lightning, and if rumours are to be believed... you will see anakin use lightning in ep III. secondly in the celebrations, on Coruscant is the Jedi council building there/added? and if so why? i would have thought Palpatine would have torn it down. obviously he doesn’t, maybe he keeps it as a trophy like thing. and thirdly i know its been asked before by why is Hayden Christensen at the end? as the story of Anakin/Vader goes it makes no sense to present him as the young fool who ended up as Darth Vader rather than the redeemed man.... apparently we will find out in Ep III, but I think its all to do with the way jedi ‘retain their identity’ after death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Sivy apparently we will find out in Ep III, but I think its all to do with the way jedi ‘retain their identity’ after death. well be that as it may, Anakins identity at the end is surely the older man rather than the way he was before Vader..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by GothiX EU book.. EU.......EU.....help me out here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 expanded universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Rogue15 expanded universe. ah right, theyre non canon though arnt they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Leper Messiah ah right, theyre non canon though arnt they? *groan* congratulations. You have asked n00b question of the week[/comic store guy] *what sivy says about the force lightning is as good explanation as any...or maybe anakin/vader was just depressed because his son had a real bad haircut, as opposed to him back in the day with his swingin 70s porn star do *what sivy says about keeping identity after death is taken from what GL said on the ROTJ DVD, and perhaps may be covered in ep3..... *sivy is da man. But I wouldnt hang around him too much. He has spoilerised himself to ruin that is all mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 *groan* congratulations. You have asked n00b question of the week[/comic store guy] they are non canon though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Leper Messiah they are non canon though..... I have fought endless canon debates, and I am too weary to get into one again........ check this thread out : http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129951&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 this thread was started by my fellow EU shadow mod, Keralys and was originally questioning KOTORs place in canon. It ended up being an excellent discussion of what canon actually is mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I just came to add that I feel this thread is the epitome of sucktitude. no offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith I just came to add that I feel this thread is the epitome of sucktitude. no offense. great, you might be made a mod if you keep up the a$$-smoochin , but that still doesnt give you the right to stroll around talkin crap like that Leper is obviously an EU virgin, and I will penetrate him with my Hand of Thrawn Sivy will sit on the motel bed and watch, wearing his Joruus C'Boath style disco robe and medallion mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 great, you might be made a mod if you keep up the a$$-smoochin , but that still doesnt give you the right to stroll around talkin crap like that Leper is obviously an EU virgin, and I will penetrate him with my Hand of Thrawn Sivy will sit on the motel bed and watch, wearing his Joruus C'Boath style disco robe and medallion mtfbwya wally i have read the black fleet crisis, the new rebellion and Vector Prime which thoroughly put me off reading the rest of the (quite extensive) New Jedi Order, i like them but theyre not canon in the same way i like the games but theyre not canon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weiderudare Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 So all a jedi needed was to throw a toaster on Vader? Doesnt make that much sense does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalukai Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 1. Vader took a rather nasty direct hit of Force Lightning that destroyed his life support systems... Knowing he was going to die anyway he took off his helmet which doubled as a breathing apparatus so he could see luke one time with his own eyes. 2. Palpantine's Trophy of the Destruction of the Jedi 3. Lucas changed the ghost to Hayden because of this reason..: The Ghost represent the essence of the Jedi before their time of death. Anakin dies in the lava and is brought back by the dark side of the force... this is when as obi wan says " He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader... since he died 20 years before his Dark Side essence did... His ghost should look like that of before him falling in the lava. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Nalukai 3. Lucas changed the ghost to Hayden because of this reason..: The Ghost represent the essence of the Jedi before their time of death. Anakin dies in the lava and is brought back by the dark side of the force... this is when as obi wan says " He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader... since he died 20 years before his Dark Side essence did... His ghost should look like that of before him falling in the lava. Obi Wan was wrong about Vadar, that was the point. He was Anakin when he died.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by Leper Messiah wally i have read the black fleet crisis, the new rebellion and Vector Prime which thoroughly put me off reading the rest of the (quite extensive) New Jedi Order, i like them but theyre not canon in the same way i like the games but theyre not canon Screw those. Do yourself a favor and take Astros advice. The Thrawn trilogy is awesome. In fact, even though that fat bastard George Lucas says they aren't part of his "vision", I'd say they're superior in every way to his weak, fat "vision". If someone other than that portly sumbitch made a movie of those books, I'd gladly burn my OT, and the new ones, dismissing them as not part of my vision, and put the fire out with my own urine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by CapNColostomy Screw those. Do yourself a favor and take Astros advice. The Thrawn trilogy is awesome. In fact, even though that fat bastard George Lucas says they aren't part of his "vision", I'd say they're superior in every way to his weak, fat "vision". If someone other than that portly sumbitch made a movie of those books, I'd gladly burn my OT, and the new ones, dismissing them as not part of my vision, and put the fire out with my own urine. errrr ok, a little more militant than i was expecting.... i liked the black fleet crisis and the new rebellion was ok, but Vector Prime was HORRIBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
•-BLaCKouT-• Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Well... technically, if it's got a SW logo on it - it's canon. IE it's been approved by the Lucasfilm continuity department except for those things which have a SW logo and an Infinities logo (they're the SW equivalent of the old 'What If?' comics). There are two levels of Canon* - G-Canon (movies only) and C-Canon (everything else). If there's an inconsistency between the two, G-Canon will always win. If there's an inconsistency between two seperate 'C' sources... deal with it - none of it's real anyways Sleep well B. * yes, I know that the idea of having two levels of 'canon' more or less destroys what 'canon' is supposed to be, but hey - this wasn't my idea, blame George Lucas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Oh, and I meant to say ZAHN trilogy, which features Grand Admiral Thrawn. I'd just awoke, so excuse my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troopr-Undr-Fir Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Originally posted by •-BLaCKouT-• but hey - this wasn't my idea, blame George Lucas That is part of the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 my ever growing inability to fathom the Star Wars saga I found this funny because its on a Star Wars message board. Also because Fathom is a unit of measurement and makes no sense in the title. as for your 3 real questions, no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I'd say vader got shocked pretty bad if you could see his skeleton through his suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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