tk102 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 How hot is hot? How about 3.6 billion degrees? (2 billion for the metric folk) http://www.livescience.com/technology/060308_sandia_z.html Note interesting 3rd and 2nd paragraph from the end: One thing that puzzles scientists is that the high temperature was achieved after the plasma’s ions should have been losing energy and cooling. Also, when the high temperature was achieved, the Z machine was releasing more energy than was originally put in, something that usually occurs only in nuclear reactions. Sandia consultant Malcolm Haines theorizes that some unknown energy source is involved, which is providing the machine with an extra jolt of energy just as the plasma ions are beginning to slow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 oh wow! Great find, man. Thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 How hot can it get?Apparently extremely hot Very interesting read, thanks tk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 This makes me very thirsty for some reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Very interesting. I hope they are able to determine why the plasma emits more energy than they applied as this could have real application in developing alternate forms of useable energy. But 3.6 billion degrees Fahrenheit? Yikes! How did their lab not disintegrate in a fiery inferno?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir-Vlada Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Hm, New power source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Yikes! How did their lab not disintegrate in a fiery inferno?!I imagine that they did this on a very small scale. Think of the miles of track they need for a electron accelerator. I'd be surprised if they weren't working on close to molecular level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garth8422 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 This makes me very thirsty for some reason! very funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 From what I understand, the Z-Machine isn't so much a particle accelerator (in the traditional sense) as it is a mega bug zapper crossed with an MRI. Here's another old article (1998) that shows a picture of the little wires that get vaporized and then pinched in the magnetic field. http://www.sandia.gov/media/z290.htm Edit: follow-up article describing how the observations are made and a picture of the shielded chamber of the Z-machine : http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2004/physics-astron/z-crystal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nice Find! Interesting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Hmm...Zero-Point energy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Merlow Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Cool find, very interesting. Lets hope it has further uses in everyday life in the future like someone suggested new form of energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 geek alert. I could swear I saw this on an episode of Trek once Captain, high temperature was achieved after the plasma’s ions should have been losing energy and cooling...the Z machine was releasing more energy than was originally put in, something that usually occurs only in nuclear reactions... lolz.. AHTO= The Discovery Channel Wonders never cease mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 LOL! Good one Astro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Astro, that's funny. It's either an unknown energy source, or some weird breakdown of physics as we know it at that temp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Now all we have do to is wait for the Mythbusters try to proof it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 ...Nah, what we need is SuperShadow's seal of authenticity on it (which he was give, naturally, by God, whose telephone number and email address he just happens to have) :xp: :xp: :xp: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Don't forget the 'Red phone' on his desk wich is directly connected to the white house, his connection with the Italian Maffia,and his power to walk on water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremia Skywalk Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I think they are going to make a weapon out of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Much os science is made into weapons. Ban science! It's evil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbieZ Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hmm...Zero-Point energy? No. Essentially, Zero-Point energy is taken from a vacuum in which the energy is essentially drawn out of leading to the Casimir Effect. As of yet, there is no known practical method to extract usable energy from a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthLinde Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Ohh... I'm gonna get a bucket of water and make a hot tub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaV™ Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 I think your bucket would be empty by the time you are even near that much heat. (The bucket would've probably melted too.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 No. Essentially, Zero-Point energy is taken from a vacuum in which the energy is essentially drawn out of leading to the Casimir Effect. As of yet, there is no known practical method to extract usable energy from a vacuum. I slouch corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Hm, New power source? Nuclear fusion is possible at 10,000,000 degrees Kelvin (the Sun performs fusion at 15,000,000 degrees Kelvin), so yeah there could theoretically be a new power source because of this that could generate massive amounts of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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