mimartin Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 OT: havent the tuskens heard of cooperation? if humans want to settle down on Tatooine, then let them. whats up with the kidnapping and killings. you don't see humans doing that a lot. (well, except for Bush and his cronies ) First I am not defending Bush. Humans have done this sort of thing since time began. Look at the American Indian or Australian Aborigines for just two examples. We come in don't take the time to understand the Indigenous Culture and just start to take over. They fight back; we exterminate them with our superior technology, all the while feeling morally righteous because they attacked us first. For thousand years this has been known as progress by us humans. I can just see the tuskens side of the problem; having a few drops of Cherokee blood running through my veins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Well, It may be Justified, if he is NOT A JEDI. 4) He is solving the problem with violence where it may not be necessary. 3) He is killing them all, big and small, old and sexy, all the like, including the innocent. 2) He is obviously doing it under his own passion, and not to save/help others. 1) He got Consumed by anger and hatred, such is DS. If he is not a Jedi I would say yeah put the fear of god into him, and oh make sure you put them heads on pikes for all to see so they know not to mess with you. That having said, I still see no points in killing things like kids and such which are obviously incident when it comes to the incident. BTW, I understand the Tusken's viewpoint also(and their history for those kotor1 players), but revenge is important to me. It is also unfortunate that Tuskens and locals have not been abe to find a way to live in less hostility. :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raevan Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 hey Anakin was 20 year old kid maybe even younger i ll say 18 year old kid and we all know he allways had a problem with controling his emotions but if someone did that to my family i ll probably slit their throat...so yes it was justified and please dont give me that jedi bull...it jedi are humans they have emotions but they can control them better than other humans , some emotions are too strong for even jedi to control and we all have to admit that, what if someone killed Yoda s mum or Obi Wans you think he would say: oh well there s no emotion there is peace....????? c mon grow up!!! First I am not defending Bush. Humans have done this sort of thing since time began. Look at the American Indian or Australian Aborigines for just two examples. We come in don't take the time to understand the Indigenous Culture and just start to take over. They fight back; we exterminate them with our superior technology, all the while feeling morally righteous because they attacked us first. For thousand years this has been known as progress by us humans. I can just see the tuskens side of the problem; having a few drops of Cherokee blood running through my veins. man that what you wrote......i m speachless....good job.we think the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 the immediate effect of the killings might have been a few years of relative peace for the non-tusken locals of Tatooine, but by the time of after RotJ, in the book called Tatooine Ghost, it is said that the tuskens believe that Anakin was an "angry ghost" and they capture humans and other species and offer them as sacrifice, so i think the condition was worsened. although the killing was justified IMO and from a normal person's point of view, he probably should have stuck to killing only the males, if he really wanted to kill more than who was directly responsible for his mom's death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 he shouldnt of done it... killing them doesnt bring his mother back it only brings him down to their level, for those who are silly enough to believe sith lore is superior; because you should bask in what you feel... meaning you should do whatever you want, because if it feels good it is good, does that mean because a pedofile thinks child abuse is fun its acceptable? no its not! just because something might feel good to someone does not mean they should do it, therefore just because anakin was angry doesnt mean he should take that anger out on the tuskans anyway, it doesnt achieve anything... to coin an old phrase 2 wrongs dont make a right... its old and still relevant...hate only corrupts and destroys, so in the end, not only had he lost his mother but he had damaged himself as well. there is nothing wrong with emotion, but you should not actly blindly because of it, you should only ever make descions after extremes of emotion have gone otherwise you will make poor judgements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 In a starwars sense it was justified. in real life, no of course not. That is exactly why something called court exists, and relatives are not allowed to get their vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 can you picture a tusken being brought in front of a court and being asked "how do you plead" i don't think vengeance against animals like the tuskens is a bad thing in itself, because it is 99% of the time justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi3112 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 In a starwars sense it was justified. in real life, no of course not. That is exactly why something called court exists, and relatives are not allowed to get their vengeance. First, I'd like to know what you're talking about with your in real life. I've asked around here on Korriban, but nobody knows what you're trying to say. Maybe you're referring to that mythical planet known as Earth. Second, there are no such things as courts on Tatooine, there's also no law on Tatooine. You can hardly try to enforce Republic law there if it isn't even part of the Republic. Tatooine isn't Coruscant you know. So when there is no law, the Tuskens can't be punished by law. So that leaves you with only 1 option and that is to wipe them out, all of them. And let's not forget that the Tuskens are only animals. The Jedi would not have done such things, they would keep ranting about the sacret value of life blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda. That would be a typical Jedi response. Now the right response would be to slaughter them all. It makes the galaxy a safer place and you get closer to the DarkSide, thus making you more powerfull. So in the end it is the perfect solution. The Jedi instead would let humans continue to be murdered by the Tuskens, wich is exactly why the Jedi are evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 First, I'd like to know what you're talking about with your in real life. I've asked around here on Korriban, but nobody knows what you're trying to say. Maybe you're referring to that mythical planet known as Earth. Second, there are no such things as courts on Tatooine, there's also no law on Tatooine. You can hardly try to enforce Republic law there if it isn't even part of the Republic. Tatooine isn't Coruscant you know. So when there is no law, the Tuskens can't be punished by law. So that leaves you with only 1 option and that is to wipe them out, all of them. And let's not forget that the Tuskens are only animals. The Jedi would not have done such things, they would keep ranting about the sacret value of life blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda. That would be a typical Jedi response. Now the right response would be to slaughter them all. It makes the galaxy a safer place and you get closer to the DarkSide, thus making you more powerfull. So in the end it is the perfect solution. The Jedi instead would let humans continue to be murdered by the Tuskens, wich is exactly why the Jedi are evil. to quote qui gon from episode 1... your focus defines your reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 jedi3112's point of view is also quite good. except for the part that Jedi are evil, i think i agree that a true Jedi *might* have spared the Tuskens, thereby causing more people to be killed. i think Anakin should have not gotten angry, but said: "These guys are a pain in the a$$ for the locals. I'll do the others a favour." and then slaughtered the bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I think the Tusken Raiders deserved the fate they recieved. Though I don't think he should have killed the women and the children. They are harmless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Skywalker Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I agree with pratically everybody. The Tusken Raiders got what they deserved but Anakin should have controlled his anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 No. Even if it was a natural reaction to have, that doesn't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 First, I'd like to know what you're talking about with your in real life. I've asked around here on Korriban, but nobody knows what you're trying to say. Maybe you're referring to that mythical planet known as Earth. Second, there are no such things as courts on Tatooine, there's also no law on Tatooine. You can hardly try to enforce Republic law there if it isn't even part of the Republic. Tatooine isn't Coruscant you know. So when there is no law, the Tuskens can't be punished by law. So that leaves you with only 1 option and that is to wipe them out, all of them. And let's not forget that the Tuskens are only animals. The Jedi would not have done such things, they would keep ranting about the sacret value of life blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda. That would be a typical Jedi response. Now the right response would be to slaughter them all. It makes the galaxy a safer place and you get closer to the DarkSide, thus making you more powerfull. So in the end it is the perfect solution. The Jedi instead would let humans continue to be murdered by the Tuskens, wich is exactly why the Jedi are evil. Thats why i said, in star wars it is justified. But Anakin, being a Jedi, according to the jedi code, should not have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Question: Was he really upset that he killed them all OR upset that he realized he was continually failing to meet the jedi standard? He basically dismissed them as animals but really seemed more upset that he lost his mother and his self-control. Being a somewhat rigidly principled unemotional automaton, a jedi would unlikely seek to slaughter even animals. I wonder, if emotion=darkside to jedi, could a sociopath be a jedi or would he have to be sith? Afterall, if falling to the darkside constitutes giving in to your emotions......Maybe that's why droids can't be force sensitive (all that midiclorian[sp?] mumbojumbo aside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hell yes it was justified. I would've done the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 **** Tusken Raiders. Every single video game with a Tatooine mission has those damn things in my way. But seriously, they're all taught from birth to be vicious to outsiders. If someone kidnapped, tortured, and murdered my mom I'd do just what Anakin did. Wipe out their whole gang. The Tuskens ****ed up the wrong dude's mom. Their kidnapping, torturing, murdering of Shmi is part of a ritual that they do all the time to settlers and farmers... I say genocide the ****ers. They're like animals except that they do that **** because they're bitter. Animals kill stuff for food or protection... Tuskens do it for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted August 18, 2006 Author Share Posted August 18, 2006 now here's a true Tusken hater. i take my hat off to you sir! but on a more serious note: yes, i agree. even Han Solo said that they effed with the wrond kid's mom, and he also stated that he would do exactly what Anakin did if someone did that to his mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 now here's a true Tusken hater. i take my hat off to you sir! but on a more serious note: yes, i agree. even Han Solo said that they effed with the wrond kid's mom, and he also stated that he would do exactly what Anakin did if someone did that to his mom. When did he say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well, you can't exactly negotiate with Tuskens (unless you happen to have HK-47 with you!). He shouldn't have wiped out the women and children, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 When did he say that? read Tatooine Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 It all depends on your point of view. Does that sound familiar? From a Sith's perspective Anakin was completely justified in killing anybody he wanted to. To a Sith taking revenge is only natural. From a Jedi's perspective Anakin's killing of that Tusken village's entire population would not have been justified. I always wondered if any of the other Jedi ever found out about Anakin's act of genocide before he became Darth Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 ^^^ We know he confided in Palpy, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Of course it was not justified. You do not kill the women and children who had nothing to do with the actual crime. Thinking like that is what lead to My Lai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Of course it was not justified. You do not kill the women and children who had nothing to do with the actual crime. Thinking like that is what lead to My Lai. Except that Tusken Raiders aren't humans. We slaughter animals regularly (either for food or for fun, i.e. hunting), and yet it's considered perfectly fine by most Americans it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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