Astor Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I agree with what another poster said about Maul, he shouldn't have died as early and the way that he did.[/Quote] Why not? Sidious didn't need Maul by that point - he'd just been made Supreme Chancellor. What happened to his apprentice on Naboo mattered little to him. The whole blockade and occupation of Naboo was simply a way of gaining the top seat in the Republic. And, coincidentally, Qui-Gon Jinn's death caused Dooku to leave the Order, and walk straight into the arms of Sidious. And Maul would be pointless for the next phase of Sidious' plan. He no longer needed a blunt instrument such as Maul (let's face it, that's what he was trained to be). For the next phase, he needed someone respectable, and had vast resources at their disposal. Who better than the recently retired Jedi Master who also happened to be the heir to a massive fortune? With Dooku's name, wealth, and political contacts, he was the perfect person to facilitate not only the creation of the Clone Army (through his elimination of Sifo-dyas, allowing him to take control of the creation) but also start the Separatist movement. If anything, I believe they should have had a battle between Maul and Dooku to decide who would keep/take the Sith apprentice role at Sidious' side in Episode II.[/Quote] What would be the point? It wouldn't really serve anything, and by then it would have taken another 15 years for Sidious' plans to take hold. That of course would have had to end with Dooku winning somehow to further along the story plot, but that would have been a awesome duel. And completely unneccessary. But, Dooku would have won because he is a superior fighter - Maul was just a kid with a toy in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawwi Joshe Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I'm merely stating what would have been the most appealing to the average viewer compared to the background story that many people probably do not realize. Maul became one of the most well liked Sith of all time, how much more appealing to the public would it have been to have Maul appear in the 2nd film. You still could have had the death of Qui-Gon Jinn and that still could have allowed Dooku to run to Sidious' hand because of Jinn's death. If you say pointless, in the EU (while not canon) Vader is tested many times by Sidious, if Vader were to die at the hands of another in hopes of becoming a Sith, it would have been allowed. If Dooku had beaten Anakin in Episode III, Sidious' would not have been disappointed being that it proved he had the stronger of the two. Not to mention coming up in the Clone Wars, Ventress is craving becoming a Sith. If Ventress was to kill Anakin then destory Dooku, Sidious' would have gladly taken her as his apprentice... Again, proving that Sidious' wants the strongest at his side. Another example, look at Sidous telling Luke to finish his father, Vader, in ROTJ, he wanted the strongest! So pointless? Absolutely not! It still could have been very relevant in the story and not to mention, add much more appeal. Dooku defeating Maul in the 2nd film for the right to be at Sidious' side would have been more appealing and could have been just as meaningful, as the story line would have been only slightly changed. Still allowing all of Dooku's name, wealth, and political contacts to play the same role they did. No matter which way you shake it, it still would have been awesome to see two Sith formerly battle it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I'm merely stating what would have been the most appealing to the average viewer compared to the background story that many people probably do not realize. Maul became one of the most well liked Sith of all time, how much more appealing to the public would it have been to have Maul appear in the 2nd film. [/Quote] Got anything to back those two statements up? Maul has one line in the entire film, that's hard;y enough to allow him to be the 'most well liked sith of all time'. If you say pointless, in the EU (while not canon)[/Quote] I'm sorry, are you saying that the EU isn't canon? Because it is, actually. Vader is tested many times by Sidious, if Vader were to die at the hands of another in hopes of becoming a Sith, it would have been allowed. And many of those tests were there because Sidious knew that Vader would suceed. For instance, when he sent one his Emperor's hands to kill him - He was no match for Vader - he just wanted to further stir his anger and hatred. If Dooku had beaten Anakin in Episode III, Sidious' would not have been disappointed being that it proved he had the stronger of the two.[/Quote] Where did I say that, exactly? Not to mention coming up in the Clone Wars, Ventress is craving becoming a Sith. If Ventress was to kill Anakin then destory Dooku, Sidious' would have gladly taken her as his apprentice...[/Quote] Ventress was nothing but a hack compared to Dooku and Anakin - she was designed merely to be used to test Anakin. Again, proving that Sidious' wants the strongest at his side. Another example, look at Sidous telling Luke to finish his father, Vader, in ROTJ, he wanted the strongest![/Quote] That's 19 years after all of the other events. By that time, Vader had served his purpose - destroying the Jedi and establishing the Empire. So pointless? Absolutely not! It still could have been very relevant in the story and not to mention, add much more appeal.[/Quote] More appeal to everyone, or just to you? No matter which way you shake it, it still would have been awesome to see two Sith formerly battle it out. No, it wouldn't. It would have just been another pointless opportunity for the Maul fanboys to get themselves in a frenzy, over their stupidly pointless character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth krunchy Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 And, coincidentally, Qui-Gon Jinn's death caused Dooku to leave the Order, and walk straight into the arms of Sidious. And Maul would be pointless for the next phase of Sidious' plan. He no longer needed a blunt instrument such as Maul (let's face it, that's what he was trained to be). It's been a long time since I've been able to sit through Ep. 2. Could you please explain this statement for me? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawwi Joshe Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Got anything to back those two statements up? Maul has one line in the entire film, that's hard;y enough to allow him to be the 'most well liked sith of all time'. Even you should know Maul was intriguing not because of his short dialogue in the first film, but rather his unique look and style of combat. Not to mention it was the first time many had seen a double bladed lightsaber, that also added a lot of appeal. Also, I searched through google to back up my statement, and while I never found a concrete poll with a large collective of votes, I did find several websites where Maul was mentioned as one of the favorite Sith both in written articles as well as smaller polls. You can look at this forum alone, and they're are several Maul fans and even some who would probably deem him their favorite Sith. Where did I say that, exactly? You didn't, I merely stated that to further prove my point that Sidious goal was to always have the strongest apprentice, whether that had ended up being Dooku or Anakin. Ventress was nothing but a hack compared to Dooku and Anakin - she was designed merely to be used to test Anakin. I agree regarding Ventress, but you missed my point. I was not saying Ventress was as strong and cunning as Dooku or Anakin, I merely used it as an example to prove a point that if someone such as Ventress had in some fashion come out ahead and proved to be the stronger of the 3, Sidious would have gladly take her as his apprentice. More appeal to everyone, or just to you? I have to laugh at this comment. George Lucas himself even admits it was a mistake to allow Darth Maul to die in the first movie. Why? It's simple, He was one of the most well liked Sith. Not to mention the Sith are known for betrayal and battles within themselves. Why not take advantage of that history, and allow the viewers to finally see a Sith vs. Sith duel? You say pointless, I say most viewers if given a vote on it, would be in favor it. I'm sorry to say, but I believe your in the minority in this discussion. I respect your opinion and your entitlement to it, but don't disregard others as pointless, just because YOU don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Even you should know Maul was intriguing not because of his short dialogue in the first film, but rather his unique look and style of combat.[/Quote] So, because he's got an extra blade and some red tattoos, I should think that he's an interesting character? That doesn't sound like a very compelling argument. Dooku was a far more intriguing character because he was once a Jedi. You didn't, I merely stated that to further prove my point that Sidious goal was to always have the strongest apprentice, whether that had ended up being Dooku or Anakin.[/Quote] No, Sidious' goal was complete control of the galaxy. And for that, he chose apprentices who could carry out the tasks before him. I have to laugh at this comment. George Lucas himself even admits it was a mistake to allow Darth Maul to die in the first movie.[/Quote] Maybe it was, and maybe it wasn't, but he did. Why not take advantage of that history, and allow the viewers to finally see a Sith vs. Sith duel? [/Quote] Because it probably wouldn't have added much to the actual plot. Remember, the prequel trilogy is largely about the rise of Darth Vader - not the squabbling between Sith for scraps from Sidious' table. You say pointless, I say most viewers if given a vote on it, would be in favor it.[/Quote] That's a supposition to support your point. I'm sorry to say, but I believe your in the minority in this discussion.[/Quote] And being in the minority is supposedly a problem? I respect your opinion and your entitlement to it, but don't disregard others as pointless, just because YOU don't agree with it. There's no need to get angry. I never disregarded anybody's opinion as 'pointless'. But, on the other hand, I wasn't aware that I needed to put 'THIS IS MY OPINION' in front of everything I say. If that's your interpretation, then I apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Astor just owned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Galaxy Foreseen Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Darth Maul. It was the best lightsaber duelist in my opinion at that time but I still believe he could of won that battle though of course Lucas wanted him dead. I believe he could of won it the same way Obi-Wan won in his battle against Anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwannaSauna Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 1. Darth Vader 2. Count Dooku 3. Darth Maul 4. Darth Sidious/Palpatine Palpatine/Darth Sidious didn't become cool until the Original Trilogy (namely Return of the Jedi) ''Now, young Skywalker, you will die" BEST PART OF THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY EVER!!! Now someone get this thread back on topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi_christian Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 General Grievous isn't a sith He was just trained by Count Dooku to handle multiple light sabers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Zavier Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 YES...Maul is up, by alot! And yes, I chose Maul, he is my favorite character EVER in SW, Solo is second. I just wish he had not die in ep. 1, he was MUCH more powerful than Kenobi at the time, because Kenobi was just a boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexrd Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Sorry, but since when Grievous is a Sith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Zavier Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 He never was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexrd Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 He never was. I know. But why is he on the poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Zavier Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 You got me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 1:Palpatine 2:Maul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Zavier Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 YES, Maul won! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongo Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 YES, Maul won! Why? Did you close the poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Zavier Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 No, I mean't he is winning. Sorry for not clarifing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insignia_Enithma Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I choose Maul, he just looked so cool, and as anyone who has read some of the EU stuff about him, he was such a cool character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthAwesome Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I chose Maul because in terms of pure badassery he owns the rest of them. Maul is quiet and mysterious so you never really find out what makes him tick. He may not have the finesse of Count Dooku or the intellect that Darth Sidious posseses but he can still wipe the floor with the jedi. First post, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogriv83 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I always like Tyranus the most. He was just so cool and collected yet you knew he could kill in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Palpatine, duh. The others were also interesting, but Palpatine was the king. Vader, Maul, and Dooku were all his *****es. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Darth Maul for sure. I even had the pleasure of talking to Ray Park in 2006, he was really cool even in real life ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@RS Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I'd have to say Count Dooku. He was definitely the most the calm (and perhaps one of the deadliest) sith ever. He was able to use his emotions and knowledge of the force to trick his victim into a sense of carelessness (look at Anakin). IF they didn't fall for his tricks, he'd simply kill them in a battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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