Chevron 7 locke Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Do you see them as Manics with a thrist for power like Palpatine was? Or so you see them as Heros like Revan, who took the dark side as a sacrifice to prepare the republic against the True Sith? I'd love to hear your opinions on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Well, I think the Sith were the most purely evil characters {provided they didn't come back to the light}. They are also all failures, for the Sith came from fallen Jedi. Though I think their cloaks and lightsabers and brutal tradition are quite cool, um, I mean cruel.... The galaxy would've failed, however, if the Sith hadn't hardened it for the times to come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 they're a necessary evil to maintain the balance in the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 To me...They are just like the jedi, the sith have their good members and their bad members...look at Revan, he went to war with the republic to save it, to make sure it was ready to against the true sith, and then look at palpatine, he only wanted power and the galaxy in his hands, it seems to me that the sith started out as beings as noble as the jedi, and as the years went by...the the sith themselves became corrupted and became the things the jedi despise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 they're a necessary evil to maintain the balance in the force. QFE I don't think that the Sith, in general, are heros at all no matter what they tell themselves. I do like their fighting style, and what not are pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 they're a necessary evil to maintain the balance in the force. How do you balcance the force? there are three sides to it, the light side, the dark side, and Potentium which views the force as good or evil depending on who weilds it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Do you see them as Manics with a thrist for power like Palpatine was? Thats what tyrants are... Unless revision of history is going to tell me Hitler was nice... Or so you see them as Heros like Revan, who took the dark side as a sacrifice to prepare the republic against the True Sith? Entirely conjecture on the part of an old hag who was a serial liar, further more the Sith are evil, that means they are Villains not hero's - unless you mean anti-hero. Well, I think the Sith were the most purely evil characters {provided they didn't come back to the light}. Coming back to the light means they are no longer sith They are also all failures, for the Sith came from fallen Jedi. Though I think their cloaks and lightsabers and brutal tradition are quite cool, um, I mean cruel.... You may want to consider what failure means; do you think Revan was a failure as an example... The galaxy would've failed, however, if the Sith hadn't hardened it for the times to come... What, the next round of Sith trying to take over? they're a necessary evil to maintain George Lucas revenue Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 How do you balcance the force? there are three sides to it, the light side, the dark side, and Potentium which views the force as good or evil depending on who weilds it Well we don't really see much regarding the Potentium side in the movies. You have too look more into the EU. Aren't the 'grey' Jedi a minority anyways....? The idea of balance of the Force, a central tenet of the Jedi Order, refers to the ideal state in which the Force exists in nature, i.e. as the light side. The presence of the dark side corrupts and destroys this natural balance[2], and the Jedi viewed it as their duty to restore it. The prophecy was one of hundreds of obscure legends maintained by the Jedi Order,[3] though its origins and actual content remain unknown. It was thought to have been created by the earliest Jedi philosophers, after the creation of the Galactic Republic but before the Jedi assumed an active role in it. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 I'm just saying that there seems to be many different types of sith lords. lets take a look at Darth Vectivus, he wasn't evil. after he returned as a sith lord, he spent the rest of his days surronded by friends and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I don't really know much about this Darth Vectivus guy, other than what I just read on Wookiepedia, but I myself would not call him a Sith Lord by what it says on that page. That is just me though... Actions define who someone is, not names, not words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I see them as fictional characters not worth thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 Do you think that most of these sith lords honestly belive what they are doing is right? look at jacen solo, he was honestly trying to make the galaxy a safer place for his daughter to live in, Revan did what he did to save the republic, what about sith lords such as Exar Kun? Share your opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Catto Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 They were just misunderstood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 sith lords are generally badasses with awesome clothes. the dark siders always look better. (well, almost always). in the case of revan, i think he genuinely meant well for the galaxy... but he believed one had to go utterly to the dark side. which is what he did. he became ultra dark. completely. (source= Darth Bane, path of Destruction) So he then became a dark lord who was going to save the galaxy by making it stronger, but he was also conquering it for himself just as any other dark lord. The difference with him was that in his reasoning, even if he failed, he would have strengthened the galaxy for the darkness to come... it went custard when sion and nihilus messed it up and *really* crippled the republic. As for Jacen, i just cant make my mind up about him! one one hand what he was doing was so good... but on the other he almost killed jaina! he killed isolder! he was turning ben and tahiri into monsters!vso many characters died as result of his actions! and most of all, HE KILLED MARA!! and that is UN. FOR GIVABLE!! and if you dont know, even plapatine had the 'save the galaxy' motive a bit... He sent for outbound flight to be destroyed because he knew of the yuuzhan vong and he he did *not* want outbound flight going and doing something like cause the vong to attack. palpatine was going to conquer the galaxy and secure it first, before he would deal with the vong threat. now, i hate sidious. but im a revan fan. simply personal opinion - revan returned to the light side and became plain. ultra. awesome. and he looked plain. ultra. awesome. too. compared to wrinkled old pruney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Interesting. I made a similar thread. Much of their sentiment holds true in many cases. Personally I came to different conclusions than them. I have read the novels of Darth Bane. He wasn't always so evil. He was left little to no choice. Born an unwanted child he suffered abuses as a young man. Everyone trying to pick fights with him. Having to dig himself out of a pit that a lesser man would have let envelop him. Nobody ultimately came through for him. The one who actually gave a squat about him sent him on his way to join the sith to help him avoid an unjust prosecution. He only protected himself and it wound up killing his assailnts. He never knew any real compassion or love. No wonder every time someone ultimately failed to come through for him he perceived it as their weakness. He never knew real justice. I do not believe he would have ended up the same. The only other one who never let him down is his apprentice, Zannah. She made him feel as though he was successful in his teachings as a sith. He never had any way to follow the light side to begin with. He wasn't inherently evil. ----------------------- Kreia/Darth Traya. Marvelous. Though I believe she lost her way and could not bear it any longer but to turn to the dark side one last time, she had to have loved the exile. She was right, and in that case the jedi masters were wrong about the exile. Jedi cannot always be right. The exile was more than just a wound or spot of death in the force. I'm at a loss of how to call it for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 What do you all think of Darth Sidious? Power hungry maniac...or someone who merley wished to secure the galaxy against the vong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 they're a necessary evil to maintain the balance in the force.But it was the destruction of the Sith that brought balance to the Force... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfTheFish Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 <- Like That... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel_Ewok Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 But it was the destruction of the Sith that brought balance to the Force... I'm still at a loss as to how there can be balance when you have only one of two extremes in the galaxy. I think the Sith bring perspective. Sure, they do do a lot of killing and all that darksider stuff but if you only have one way of looking at things you're missing both parts of the puzzle. It's sort of like... only eating vanilla ice cream you're entire life, never experiencing chocolate. When one day you decide to have that yummy swirly kind and realize you've been missing so much. Wait a minute I have an idea! Let's all just come together and forget the lightside and darkside and- *slice, pzzzzt, scream* (Random Jedi) "Phew, good thing that is over. Wouldn't want those Sith back again. People might actually start to think that we need a "balance". Sheesh!" ---- Another point entirely: Sith could be conisdered heroes or villians. It depends on your perspective, same goes for jedi. It doesn't matter what you think is right whoever you are you view yourself as a hero, but there will always be some people thinking you're bad. For example, take the conquestadors. They were conquering much of South America for god, glory, and gold. They were bringing honor to their countries and viewed as heroes back home. But what about the people they were conquering? They looked like bloodthirsty murderers, destroying innocent people except for their own gain. Think about that one for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 in lieu of their fanboys pretty ****ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 But it was the destruction of the Sith that brought balance to the Force... Either Deus Ex Machina, or simply a religious belief. Out of the dozens and dozens of times there have been large amounts of Sith and Jedi, and the history of the galaxy... why only create 1 "chosen one"? After Luke took over, more Sith showed up and so did more Jedi. The conflict continued like it had before Anakin. So much for "Balance to the Force". Seems more like a religious belief that was fulfilled than anything actually happening. He was powerful. Maybe his mom had a mutation. Maybe it was coincidence. Either way, his existence on the whole seemed fairly irrelevant in the long run. Unless there was something I missed, in which case I need to be corrected. Being this is a fiction universe with clearly defined areas of good and evil, I'll accept that there are some things in SW that you cannot apply real-world relativity to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Do you see them as Manics with a thrist for power like Palpatine was? Or so you see them as Heros like Revan, who took the dark side as a sacrifice to prepare the republic against the True Sith? How I see a character is determined more by the individual character than the organization which they belong to. That said, Revan was about as much of a hero as Darth Sidious was. Do you think that most of these sith lords honestly belive what they are doing is right? look at jacen solo, he was honestly trying to make the galaxy a safer place for his daughter to live in, Revan did what he did to save the republic, what about sith lords such as Exar Kun? Of course they believed they were doing what was right. All of them did. Why would they do anything they did if they didn't think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevron 7 locke Posted November 28, 2008 Author Share Posted November 28, 2008 [quote=TKA-001;2558913 Of course they believed they were doing what was right. All of them did. Why would they do anything they did if they didn't think so? Lets take a look at that shall we? A few sith lords only concern was killing jedi, and in some cases, other sith. Did they beleve in what they were doing, or were they simply killing for the fun of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Lets take a look at that shall we? A few sith lords only concern was killing jedi, and in some cases, other sith. Did they beleve in what they were doing, or were they simply killing for the fun of it? For that answer, take a sociology/psychology class. A pretty much universal rule is that everything people do has a selfish motive behind it. Even if it is a nun helping a homeless child, the nun is doing it for the self knowledge and satisfaction that what she is doing is right, helps her god love her, and will get her heaven points. Selfish motive drives us into doing anything. So, you do something because you think it is "good" or "right" for you in your current situation and will benefit you in some way more than other options. So, a Sith Lord kills a bunch of people. Are they Jedi? Because the Sith religious belief is that Jedi are fools that don't deserve the power they have. By killing them, they believe what they are doing is "right" and have justified it in their mind in a way that personally benefits themselves. Now, if they are killing for the fun of it then it is also deemed "right" in their minds. By killing someone, they are gaining entertainment and a good feeling that personally benefits themselves in either a financial, spiritual, etc way. Same goes for a Jedi, a mother, a nun, etc. They step in and help someone, they are doing it for a motive of self interest. Whether that a feeling of self satisfaction, entertainment, or an escape from a depressed lonely feeling, etc. Without this self interest, people would not kill each other, but mothers would also not take care of their children. Now, there are a few types of people that this rule does not fully apply to: The insane, and Sociopaths/Psychopaths, or rather people with Antisocial personality disorder or Dissocial personality disorder. The legal definition of insanity is someone who mentally have no concept of an action being "right" or "wrong", thus the selfish interest is not always there as the action seemingly has no benefit for themselves as far as they can see. If you do something under the personal knowledge that it is wrong and do it under the personal knowledge that you will gain nothing from it, then the action is an action of a Sociopaths/Psychopaths, or someone with Antisocial or Dissocial disorder. Its only 1 or 2 of them, but I'm not exactly sure which so if anyone knows the clear differences between them you can correct me. I could go into the differences between Sociopaths/Psychopaths, Antisocial personality disorder, and Dissocial personality disorder, but it would take me a few hours to write. All the Sith Lords and Jedi I have seen thus far have been motivated by some form of self interest. Thus, they are for the most part like every other human being, but now with the ability to move **** with their minds. So, in summary, killing for fun and killing for a purpose are the same thing. That help at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK-42 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I view them as a stronger force then the Jedi but are over confident making it a never ending war of mistakes and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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