Astor Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'd even wager a few hours before it's in tatters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 B Isn't there some European power that has the gall to boycott Israeli goods or some other form of punishment? Perhaps Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Israel Declares Ceasefire. Something tells me it ain't gonna last. Hamas Declares Ceasefire. We'll see. I guess it depends on whether or not Israel agrees to the conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Perhaps Germany? I'd say France, probably, but they and both England and Germany are quite upset with the Israelis right now. But, it would be quite ironic if it were Germany... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salzella Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I thought the EU as a whole had imposed economic sanctions on Israel. edit: PS @ CommanderQ, politically it wouldn't be England, it'd be the UK. After, big Gordon himself is Scottish. Hate to sound like a pedant, but still. Has to be done D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted January 18, 2009 Author Share Posted January 18, 2009 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052348.html just a really good editorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Boy, the IDF sure sounds splendid, eh? Isn't there some European power that has the gall to boycott Israeli goods or some other form of punishment? Right now, I can see why Ahmadinejad is so pissy towards Israel. And right now I can see why Israel threw the English speaking version of Al-Jazerez out of their country. CNN got caught again using photographs that were staged to drum up the idea that Israel was deliberately targetting women and children. Seriously, maybe you don't mind rockets raining down on your head, but Israel has a right to defend itself. If you want to lay blame, lay blame at Hamas, Syria, and Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Source? Wait for it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 And right now I can see why Israel threw the English speaking version of Al-Jazerez out of their country.It's Al-Jazeera, kthxbai. Additionally, the fact that Israel banned that network makes them seem even more totalitarian. CNN got caught again using photographs that were staged to drum up the idea that Israel was deliberately targetting women and children.Okay... Seriously, maybe you don't mind rockets raining down on your head, but Israel has a right to defend itself. If you want to lay blame, lay blame at Hamas, Syria, and Iran.Alright, that sounds cool. Let's let Israel use white phosphorous as a "smokescreen" against civilians. Let's let Israel barge into 139 square mile strip of land with a population of almost 1.5 million. Let's let Israel target schools, hospitals and other public centers being used by Hamas, with Israel's knowledge that innocents were in the area. As far as I'm concerned, I think that Israel has the right to push any ethnic group out of "their" land, due to citations from their own sacred documents. Hey, I sure don't want to be labeled an anti-Semite, right? Total Israeli Causalities: 13 Total Gazan Casualties: ~1,300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Alright, that sounds cool. Let's let Israel use white phosphorous as a "smokescreen" against civilians. Let's let Israel barge into 139 square mile strip of land with a population of almost 1.5 million. Let's let Israel target schools, hospitals and other public centers being used by Hamas, with Israel's knowledge that innocents were in the area. Don't forget their shelling of the United Nations headquarters in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Source? Wait for it.... littlegreenfootballs which was one of the same bloggers that caught reuters using bogus pictures in 2006. Maybe Martin can explain how a missile hits a roof and kills two boys but does no more damage to the roof than what a pickaxe could do in five minutes — and how the furniture didn’t get disturbed. -- Hot Air Then there is this http://kydem.blogspot.com/2009/01/cnn-now-worse-than-fox-airs-staged.html A high-profile Norwegian doctor who has said the September 11 terrorists were justified in their attack is now treating patients in Gaza and is being accused of presenting "hard-core propaganda" to TV interviewers in his telling of the conflict between Hamas and Israel. Dr. Mads Gilbert has become an unofficial advocate of the Palestinian cause, his critics say. -- Fox News And really PastramiX, the fact that these Hamas members have been extremely inaccurate (or there has been an act of God protecting the Israelis) and that the Israelis actually take steps to protect their civilians isn't a valid argument that Israel is being heavy handed. Hamas has a history of hiding behind civilians and shooting off rockets from civilian locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Well, well. CNN has removed the video from the page linked above, with no explanation or retraction.[/Quote] CNN side of the Blog's charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 *has his quotes taken out of context* *is mads gilbert* "The attack on New York did not come as a surprise with the politics the West has followed the last decades. I am upset by the terrorist attack, but I am at least as upset over the suffering that the US has caused. It is in this context that 5000 dead has to be seen. If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, the oppressed has a moral right to attack the U.S. with the weapons they may create as well. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis." hmm yes that is clearly pro-terrorism and not anti-hypocrisy and anti-war and you still can't explain away israel shelling or bombing civilian targets including hospitals, schools, and the ****ing un headquarters the bottom line is the governments for both sides have forsaken their responsibilities to the people of their respective countries because of their hate for the other side and their desire for power. neither has any sort of moral high ground they're both advocates of murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 CNN side of the Blog's charges. It isn't just one blog, and I really couldn't care less what CNN's defense is, it's in fact quite familiar to the song and dance Dan Rather and CBS News gave in 2004. It would also be believable if not for the fact their accusers include the same bloggers that caught them using doctored photos in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adavardes Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 and you still can't explain away israel shelling or bombing civilian targets including hospitals, schools, and the ****ing un headquarters the bottom line is the governments for both sides have forsaken their responsibilities to the people of their respective countries because of their hate for the other side and their desire for power. neither has any sort of moral high ground they're both advocates of murder. they're both advocates of murder. advocates. of. murder. QFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 It isn't just one blog, and I really couldn't care less what CNN's defense is, it's in fact quite familiar to the song and dance Dan Rather and CBS News gave in 2004. It would also be believable if not for the fact their accusers include the same bloggers that caught them using doctored photos in 2006. i must admit you have class my friend. thousands of innocent civilians are dead and you turn the debate towards "no the media lied only hundreds of innocent civilians are dead liberal anti-semitic plot" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 *has his quotes taken out of context* *is mads gilbert* "The attack on New York did not come as a surprise with the politics the West has followed the last decades. I am upset by the terrorist attack, but I am at least as upset over the suffering that the US has caused. It is in this context that 5000 dead has to be seen. If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, the oppressed has a moral right to attack the U.S. with the weapons they may create as well. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis." hmm yes that is clearly pro-terrorism and not anti-hypocrisy and anti-war Source please, and I'd like a video source plz. and you still can't explain away israel shelling or bombing civilian targets including hospitals, schools, and the ****ing un headquarters the bottom line is the governments for both sides have forsaken their responsibilities to the people of their respective countries because of their hate for the other side and their desire for power. neither has any sort of moral high ground they're both advocates of murder. Oh but it does, because Hamas was using those sites as launching platforms just like Hezbollah did in Lebanon, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the United Nations knew that school was being used in such a manner. Just like their Secretary General got caught by the Canadians in 2006 of leaving those UN workers at that outpost after they reported that Hezbollah was using the place as a rocket launching site. Or are you saying that Israelis don't have the right to defend themselves? Furthermore these news agencies have a track record of using bogus material to try to condemn Israel. ERIC BURNS, FOX NEWS HOST: Here is a picture released by the Reuters news agency this week of what looks like the aftermath of an attack on Beirut. Here on the right is what the picture looked like before a Reuters cameraman decided to get creative with it. Reuters has since retracted not only this photo, but 919 additional pictures taken by this same photographer. -- Fox News Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Source please, and I'd like a video source plz.he gave a statement to a newspaper, there isn't a video source, although i'm amused you're using his comments to discredit him and you a) have no idea what he said; and b) don't even know he gave it to a newspaper. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/01/06/nyheter/gaza/tromso/leger/politikk/4252092/ Oh but it does, because Hamas was using those sites as launching platforms just like Hezbollah did in Lebanon, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the United Nations knew that school was being used in such a manner. Just like their Secretary General got caught by the Canadians in 2006 of leaving those UN workers at that outpost after they reported that Hezbollah was using the place as a rocket launching site. Or are you saying that Israelis don't have the right to defend themselves? uhhh maybe you just didn't read the thread but israel broke the ceasefire this time around* and even if this whole thing was defense on the part of the israelis, they still don't have the right to murder civilians. and one photographer working for the ap taking pictures of a separate event doesn't automatically mean every news organization is anti-israel. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 littlegreenfootballs which was one of the same bloggers that caught reuters using bogus pictures in 2006. -- Hot Air Then there is this http://kydem.blogspot.com/2009/01/cnn-now-worse-than-fox-airs-staged.html -- Fox News And really PastramiX, the fact that these Hamas members have been extremely inaccurate (or there has been an act of God protecting the Israelis) and that the Israelis actually take steps to protect their civilians isn't a valid argument that Israel is being heavy handed. Hamas has a history of hiding behind civilians and shooting off rockets from civilian locations. whew. For a second there, I was afraid that you were going to come back at me with conservative blogs and FauxNews instead of real news sources. Oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adavardes Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 littlegreenfootballs Hot Air Fox News -- Fox News Watch Translation: *Conservatively biased sources, most of which are blogs* How about you show me sources from all ends of the spectrum that somehow prove to me that killing innocent children is okay. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 whew. For a second there, I was afraid that you were going to come back at me with conservative blogs and FauxNews instead of real news sources. Oh wait. Fox News is a legitimate news source as Jae Onasi has proven in the past. Your "legitimate news sources" are the ones that are being accused of dishonest Journalism These bloggers were the same ones that caught your "legitimate news sources" at using doctored photos in 2006. he gave a statement to a newspaper, there isn't a video source, although i'm amused you're using his comments to discredit him and you a) have no idea what he said; and b) don't even know he gave it to a newspaper. I don't really care who or what he gave it to, I'm going to ask who translated it? uhhh maybe you just didn't read the thread but israel broke the ceasefire this time around* and even if this whole thing was defense on the part of the israelis, they still don't have the right to murder civilians. So you're saying the Israelis can't open fire on an installation firing rockets at Israeli civilians because Hamas deliberately uses buildings where civilians are located to fire their rockets? and one photographer working for the ap taking pictures of a separate event doesn't automatically mean every news organization is anti-israel. Glad you brought up the bogus pictures used by the AP, I hadn't gotten to them yet I'd just been talking about Reuters. You may need to look at what you just said, because you just proved my point about the media's lack of credibility. With exception of Fox News, most media outlets take whatever the AP says as the gospel truth and rip news stories directly from the AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Fox News is a legitimate news source as Jae Onasi has proven in the past. The "legitimate news sources" are the ones that are being accused of dishonest Journalism I think we should all take a moment and reflect on these two statements. FoxNews is a legitimate news source (because Jae said so). Legitimate news sources practice dishonest journalism. mkay, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 I don't really care who or what he gave it to, I'm going to ask who translated it?you can run it through your choice of online translators, find someone who speaks norwegian or any other method of translation. So you're saying the Israelis can't open fire on an installation firing rockets at Israeli civilians because Hamas deliberately uses buildings where civilians are located to fire their rockets?well, yes. and i'm also saying they can't open fire at buildings owned by neutral parties or buildings used for the treatment of injured people aka hospitals and refugee camps. and you completely ignored the video i posted that refuted your argument that israel is acting in defense. Glad you brought up the bogus pictures used by the AP, I hadn't gotten to them yet I'd just been talking about Reuters. You may need to look at what you just said, because you just proved my point about the media's lack of credibility. With exception of Fox News, most media outlets take whatever the AP says as the gospel truth and rip news stories directly from the AP.my point still stands. you can't prove the media (with the exception of a source that you agree with) is biased against israel by citing single cases of bias. especially when retractions are issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I think we should all take a moment and reflect on these two statements. FoxNews is a legitimate news source (because Jae said so). Legitimate news sources practice dishonest journalism. mkay, thanks. Ah thanks for catching that typo of mine, I meant to say. EDITTED to fix quote: 2. Your "legitimate news sources" are the ones that are being accused of dishonest Journalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Ah thanks for catching that typo of mine, I meant to say. EDITTED to fix quote: Which only leaves all the other logical fallacies and the fact that you're wrong. Let me know when you get around to "editing to fix" those too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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