Salzella Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 How did each of them die in your playthrough? Two were directly related to being too lazy to do Jacob's loyalty quest (something i usually do), so Jack got skewered by the lasers because i didn't upgrade to heavy armour, and i sent jacob back with the crew of the Normandy and he dieded. Grunt got carried off by the swarms because Miranda sucks at maintaining a biotic field. The reasoning behind Miranda doing that part was to make it more cinematic - she was part of my team all the way through, she was the romantic interest (she even pulled Shepard up from the final epic jump but that was just happy chance). Kasumi was killed in the last stand, because i didn't do her loyalty either. usually I only do it for the locust. Don't forget that Thane has a window that looks out onto the engine room as well, not to mention a photographic memory.... Ha true, I'd forgotten about him! hoo boy. Miranda's obviously an exhibitionist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthParametric Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Ah well, a few deaths will hopefully spice things up a bit in ME3. When I was going through all my saves I only found one that had any deaths - my second playthrough where I also used Miranda as the biotic specialist (she said she could do it dammiit! ) and subsequently lost Grunt (nooooo) and straight after lost Samara who, for some strange reason I can't recall, I had made second fire team leader. I'm wondering if I should do another playthrough where I try and kill off as many as possible and still survive, just to see what happens in ME3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Payne Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 What exactly would i need to do to make sure that *everyone* survives that mission? I've never managed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 It's actually very easy, aside from doing everyone's loyalty quest, just pay attention to the short descriptions of each character when choosing their roles during various stages of the suicide mission, they're pretty straightforward with whose strengths lie in which area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 What exactly would i need to do to make sure that *everyone* survives that mission? I've never managed that. 1. Make sure everyone is loyal. 2. Make sure the Normandy is completely upgraded 3. Pick Legion, Tali, or Kasumi as your tech specialist 4. Pick Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob to lead the second fire team 5. Pick Mordin to escort the crew 6. Pick Samara/Morinth or Jack as your biotic specialist 7. Pick your two "squishiest" people to fight the human reaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salzella Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 ^^ I've never even needed to go into that much detail. As long as you have Zaeed and Grunt defending the weaker ones at the end and send someone relatively weak with the crew you can manage it in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Payne Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 1. Make sure everyone is loyal. 2. Make sure the Normandy is completely upgraded 3. Pick Legion, Tali, or Kasumi as your tech specialist 4. Pick Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob to lead the second fire team 5. Pick Mordin to escort the crew 6. Pick Samara/Morinth or Jack as your biotic specialist 7. Pick your two "squishiest" people to fight the human reaper. Cool... Thanks for that list, it will make things *sooo* much easier when i get to that mission in a day or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salzella Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Played Mass effect 1 and 2 consecutively with the same male character for the first time, beat the human reaper last night... several things occur. 1) The vanilla male shepard is actually quite a good lead, despite the fact i still prefer femshep. I played a mostly renegade, but not an ******* renegade, and it worked rather well really. 2) playing a soldier is quite fun, and pretty easy... but there is no elegance to it. too much of my combat was seat of the pants stuff, blasting away with the revenant and hoping to god i didn't have to reload, and nearly dying... playing an infiltrator was a lot more flash, even if i did die more. felt much cooler... ho-hum, maybe that's just me. 3) I romanced Miranda (so sue me... she's hot!) and for the romance scene: they don't close the door to the engine room. Tali works there, and not ten minutes earlier i had blown her off. assuming she stays there like they usually do in the game... she could see everything (along with jacob and mordin but meh). this made me feel inexplicably bad. 4) having a few people die actually improves the ending for me. it makes it feel more real. (I lost jack (hate her), grunt (bit annoyed by that...), jacob (boring...) and kasumi (noooo)). Oh, and another thing. 5) Garrus is so awesome in ME2, has some brilliant lines. "Hospitals aren't fun to fight through..." shep: "what is fun to fight through?" Garrus: "Gardens, electronics shops, antique stores but only if they're classy..." so dry garrus, so dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 ^Yea, that line was kind of funny. Good 'ole Garrus. 1. Make sure everyone is loyal. 2. Make sure the Normandy is completely upgraded 3. Pick Legion, Tali, or Kasumi as your tech specialist 4. Pick Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob to lead the second fire team 5. Pick Mordin to escort the crew 6. Pick Samara/Morinth or Jack as your biotic specialist 7. Pick your two "squishiest" people to fight the human reaper. Actually, if you manage not to lose anyone to that point, it probably doesn't matter who you take for the boss fight. ...I'm wondering if I should do another playthrough where I try and kill off as many as possible and still survive, just to see what happens in ME3. I think the closest I got to that was one where Samara and Grunt were the only survivors. Can you get it so that only Shepard and Joker make it out? I thought if the rest of them got killed that that was how Shep didn't make it either, leaving Joker to report to the IM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Actually, if you manage not to lose anyone to that point, it probably doesn't matter who you take for the boss fight. It doesn't as long as you don't leave to many weak links with the fire team covering Shepard's rear. I usually send a loyal Tali back to the ship with the crew and take Mordin with Shepard. 4) having a few people die actually improves the ending for me. it makes it feel more real. I agree. I lost Jack my first playthrough and Thane my second playthrough and those endings seemed more realistic to me. I’m doing another attempt at the Insanity achievement my next playthrough, so I figure I will get more deaths then because I don’t plan on doing any loyalty missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 It doesn't as long as you don't leave to many weak links with the fire team covering Shepard's rear. I usually send a loyal Tali back to the ship with the crew and take Mordin with Shepard. Well, who besides Tali and Mordin are considered "weak" (I don't have Kasumi)? I generally have found that if enough strong people are left behind and the loyalty missions have suceeded, it hasn't mattered for me. I often take heavy hitters or amped up biotics on the last fight. 4) having a few people die actually improves the ending for me. it makes it feel more real. (I lost jack (hate her), grunt (bit annoyed by that...), jacob (boring...) and kasumi (noooo)). I agree. I lost Jack my first playthrough and Thane my second playthrough and those endings seemed more realistic to me. I think I lost at least 3 people on my first playthrough. Everyone surviving a "suicide mission" borders on fairy tale ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Not sure if it has been updated with a patch or even if it was really a bug, but Mordin could die even if you do everything right. Which is the reason I usually take him with Shepard on the final battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Not sure if it has been updated with a patch or even if it was really a bug, but Mordin could die even if you do everything right. Which is the reason I usually take him with Shepard on the final battle. With the exception of my Insanity run (in which I didn't do one iota more than I absolutely had to, and lost everyone) I've never lost Mordin. He always escorts the crew back to the ship and always (-1) lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysyacha Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Is it even possible to have a playthrough where ONLY Shepard survives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 With the exception of my Insanity run (in which I didn't do one iota more than I absolutely had to, and lost everyone) I've never lost Mordin. He always escorts the crew back to the ship and always (-1) lives. That would keep him safe... I've never lost him either, but I either take him with me or also send him back with the crew. However, I'd rather send Tali back with the crew as to me it makes more sense to the story. I trust and like her more, plus in ME2 she isn't worth anything in a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Is it even possible to have a playthrough where ONLY Shepard survives? No. Shepard's survival is dependent on the survival of the two squadmates you take out the Human Reaper with. Note that they help him/her up onto the Normandy airlock if they survive, while if they don't, Shepard is left clinging to the ledge, with noone able to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthParametric Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I've never had a problem with Mordin myself, but apparently even if he is loyal and everyone else survives, he can die either while part of the final rearguard or even if you take him with you. Hence why the general consensus is to send him to escort the crew, as he will always survive that way (as long as he is loyal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slstoev Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Mordin survives even in the bunkered down team if you have Zaeed, since Garrus and Grunt are the heavy hitters, now theres 3 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkside Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 No. Shepard's survival is dependent on the survival of the two squadmates you take out the Human Reaper with. Note that they help him/her up onto the Normandy airlock if they survive, while if they don't, Shepard is left clinging to the ledge, with noone able to help. I once lost (loyal) Miranda in the fall from the human reaper fight place, but my shepard survived, so it seems that only one of the two needs to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salzella Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 You can't lose a loyal Miranda to that fall so she must have survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysyacha Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I need help picking my final 2. Garrus is coming with me, because he's my love interest. There's no way I'll leave him behind whilst fighting the ultimate battle! That leaves one slot open, and I'm having serious trouble deciding between Tali and Legion. Tali can't do squat in a fight, but she's so sweet! Legion is just mega-cool. (NOTE: I only want my final 2 to survive. I'm doing a special music video about it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthParametric Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think you need at least one survivor from the rearguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Well, their capabilities in combat have no actual bearing on whether or not they survive suicide mission. I'd recommend only having those two loyal, and taking them with you throughout the entire suicide mission. As for who to pick, Shepard's got more history with Tali than Legion, so that's something to consider as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkside Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 You can't lose a loyal Miranda to that fall so she must have survived. She didnt survive... So i guess i failed to get her to like me again after i agreed with Jack in the catfight scene. But that wasnt the point of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthParametric Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If you side with one person in either of the two confrontations (Miranda vs Jack, Tali vs Legion) the other person will no longer be loyal. However, you can attempt to persuade them via a conversation afterwards to regain their loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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