Zargon Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 No.. insanity is when you don't even bother to negotiate with the Unions, and then take away their collective bargaining on top of a PERMAMENT 20% pay cut For the last 4 years almost every state union worker has forgone a pay raise (even cost of living adjustment) in order to keep the cost of their benefits the same. I severely doubt you can find an over paid State Union Employee. Teachers starting salary here is only around 25k, and it goes up to 50k. The whole idea of the "Lazy Union worker" is a myth perpetuated my Anti-union individuals. Show me an overpaid Union worker, and I will show you a guy who got injured on the job and instead of taking workmans comp he has gotten reclassified I can show you hand fulls of lazy union worker actually. beyond that, I read a bunch more of the bill. I would agree you should have to atleast put in some for yuour pension, and have the state do a match. thats how they should work. now going from all to none def sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 heading back to plymouth meeting for a few more days of job training. Bringing my girlfriend with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Kinnison Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I can show you hand fulls of lazy union worker actually. Then I can show you Managers who don't know how to fire Lazy union workers As the protest stands now, the Unions are willing to concede everything but they will not give up their right to do collective bargaining. That is all this is about now. Just their right to do collective bargaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I checked my company's intranet page from home yesterday, and it said we had Presidents' Day off. I had totally forgotten that. It's a good thing I saw it or I would have driven a long way for nothing instead of being here, posting on Lucasforums in my pajamas. So yay for days off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 yay days off! I got two myself here.... gonna have to run some errans eventually, but for the most part I'm staying in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Then I can show you Managers who don't know how to fire Lazy union workers As the protest stands now, the Unions are willing to concede everything but they will not give up their right to do collective bargaining. That is all this is about now. Just their right to do collective bargaining the union protects the lazy workers, its why people don't like them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 i hate you all. i dont have the day off, i also hate it when ppl get the day off on vet's day... >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Qaddafi fled Libya to South America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 i hate you all. i dont have the day off, i also hate it when ppl get the day off on vet's day... >.> I don't have it off either.....but I get Vet's day off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Yes... Days off for the win! Spent the last 3 days with the girlfriend and her kids. Time to prepare for the work week, now. Boo... Coming back to reality for the lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Kinnison Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 You can thank Unions for your days off the union protects the lazy workers, its why people don't like them..... Do you have proof? I have proof it does not. I worked at UPS a bastion of Part-time Union workers. If someone was late more then 5 times, they got canned. If they couldn't sort more then 200 pcs and hour they got canned. But I also had a time where the Union protected me from an a$$#0!# boss who sent me home for not following his directions, when he told me to bend my knees when picking an envelope off the floor to avoid injuring my back. I filed 3 grievances, 1. Harassment (I have never missed days of work because of work related injuries) 2. Having a non-union manager work my job after i was told to leave. 3. Not getting my guaranteed 4 hours of work. I didn't even bother asking to get my lost wages back. I won, and the a$$#0!# boss got relocated (much to the cheers of my co-workers) Also, there is a lot of evidence that Union workers do not get paid as much as their private sector counterparts. Their compensation is better job security from a$$#0!# bosses who want to fire them for stupid reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Snow last night. For some reason, all the side roads are in good shape this morning, while the main roads are a complete mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 You can thank Unions for your days off Do you have proof? I have proof it does not. I worked at UPS a bastion of Part-time Union workers. If someone was late more then 5 times, they got canned. If they couldn't sort more then 200 pcs and hour they got canned. But I also had a time where the Union protected me from an a$$#0!# boss who sent me home for not following his directions, when he told me to bend my knees when picking an envelope off the floor to avoid injuring my back. I filed 3 grievances, 1. Harassment (I have never missed days of work because of work related injuries) 2. Having a non-union manager work my job after i was told to leave. 3. Not getting my guaranteed 4 hours of work. I didn't even bother asking to get my lost wages back. I won, and the a$$#0!# boss got relocated (much to the cheers of my co-workers) Also, there is a lot of evidence that Union workers do not get paid as much as their private sector counterparts. Their compensation is better job security from a$$#0!# bosses who want to fire them for stupid reasons I could give multiple example of stupid decisions my wifes teaachers union has made over filing grievences with their employer and a few from afscme here, but I'd rather not post that **** online yeah, I can thank unions for not working 7days a week, but thats from the 1920's. I never said they werent EVER relevant, but the need has significantly wained in most sectors of employement in the last 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Kinnison Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 There are just as many lazy union workers, as there are regular lazy workers. it is just some people like using the example of Lazy union workers why unions are bad. I don't see how "grievances" being filed support your opinion that Union workers are lazy. Non-union workers are paid more then union workers Union workers get better job security then non-union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 There are crappy unions and also clear and obvious abuses by unions and workers... but it's not a universal thing... just like you could point to the same by non-unionized workers. I found this interesting: (This BBCode requires its accompanying plugin to work properly.) Clearly biased commentator to be sure... but if the facts are correct, it shows the that the gov'nor has a personal vendetta against union workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 He also thinks he can just use the National Guard as scabs if state workers strike. Dicking over state workers until they strike hardly constitutes a a state emergency, it's also terribly more expensive than just playing fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The Internet Freedom Act Before clicking it, write down what you think it is. Then read it. And get super pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Another article I read said that the union police that are exempt are ignoring the protesters if not actually siding with them, out of union solidarity, and the knowledge that they might be next on the chopping block. I find this a fascinating turn of events. I do have to wonder if the gov actually expected this level of outrage... Or if this was part of the plan all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 The Internet Freedom Act Before clicking it, write down what you think it is. Then read it. And get super pissed. wtf are we now, China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I don't see how "grievances" being filed support your opinion that Union workers are lazy. I would call blocking the firing of a ****ty ****ty teacher, just because they dont want the school to fire someone, a good reason/support why some unions are bad/stupid. protecting a lazy ****ty tenure teacher and letting good newer teachers get let go to cut costs is just stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Sore throat. I hate sore throats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Kinnison Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I would call blocking the firing of a ****ty ****ty teacher, just because they dont want the school to fire someone, a good reason/support why some unions are bad/stupid. protecting a lazy ****ty tenure teacher and letting good newer teachers get let go to cut costs is just stupid hrm.. i find a bit of bitter bias here that is more political then an union issue but using Unions as an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Actually, it happens here in Rochester a lot. Some of my friends that are teachers are getting let go because the older teachers aren't willing to retire. Since they've been in the union longer, they get to stay, and my friends who just are only a year or two removed from college with massive loans are going unemployed. Not very fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 my mom might be losing her job too, she works for the education department as well. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 hrm.. i find a bit of bitter bias here that is more political then an union issue but using Unions as an excuse. its not exactly something limited to a certain district. I know alot of teachers with the same gripes. and no it wasnt my wife who got fired, shes up for tenure next year we can already tell you are 100% pro union so I'll stop beating this dead horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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