deuceII Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Earlier this afternoon my account was banned, the username was munik. This is an attempt to reverse that ban, as I believe the decision was made too hastily. I am requesting mast, if you will. I had sent an email earlier to staff@jediknightii.net as I believed that was my only available course of action, if I had realized I could post here I would have done so first. I'm going to try and sum up the email here, but if you have already read the email then you know my plight. Anyhow, there was a thread posted in Yoda's Swamp, in the JediKnightII.net forum, that asked for images of your desktop (the thread). -=ReApEr=- made a post encouraging people to use this site, http://www.linuxsupportdesk.net/pichost/, to host their images. About thirty minutes later it became apparent that the site contained a security flaw that allowed you to overwrite any files that were uploaded to it. I took it upon myself to deter use of the site by action, as -=ReApEr=- chose to leave his original post encouraging use of the flawed site, instead of retracting it. I made a post stating as much, then proceeded to upload a picture to that site that -=ReApEr=- had linked to in his signature. He said something about how he knew what the flaw was but I didn't have to do that [alter his image] (and his original endorsement of the site remained, as it still does). Next, I uploaded a picture of a nude woman onto the image hosting server. Reborn Outcast had an image tag in his post that pointed to this nude picture (his post has been deleted). In retrospect I see that this was a poor choice, but my previous attempt at deterence failed and I assumed that a nude picture would certainly rile people up. Little did I know how true this was. I knew that the posting of pornographic pictures was against the rules, but it had been so long since I read the board rules that I failed to remember the penalty for doing so. I believed it to be a warning, and deletion of the post. In reality it is an instant ban, with no warning. Had I remembered this, I never would have subjected Reborn Outcast to the chance of a ban, it was an irresponsible oversight on my part. As luck would have it, he faced no consequences for his infraction. So, now we arrive at my dillema. Lexx, a moderator in the Swamp, summarily banned me. First she made a warning post that told me not to post anymore porn, an action I never did. Then three minutes later she stated that I was banned for posting porn in place of their pictures, an action that I did not do (I posted no pictures, I uploaded to a foreign server). Now here I am admitting to my actions concerning the image hosting server, I do not deny what I uploaded there. But at the time, there was no such admittance by me, and no possible way to know it was I who did it. Yes, it can be said that I made a post implicating myself in the action, the post that said I would modify a sig pic. But, that is all I said, and the knowledge that the image server was unsecure was already posted. So anyone could have done it, but I was instantly blamed and banned for it. Rightly blamed we know now, as the assumption was true, but I believe wrongfully banned. The rules state that posting pornography is not allowed. I did not do this. Reborn Outcast did, albeit unknowingly, yet he was not immediately banned, I was. I was banned for his post containing an image of a nude woman. Now, I did not do this to intentionally circumvent the rules, I was just trying to show that the image hosting server was not worth using. I made the wrong choice of using a picture of a nude woman...a picture I just chose because it was quick, and would get noticed, not because I wanted to break the rules by posting a nude picture. Now I understand that by my actions a nude picture appeared on the forum, but my action in no way violated the rules. I violated them in spirit maybe, but I don't think that warrants a ban. There were, and still are, plenty of steps that could have been taken to rectify the situation, simply banning me and asking for an edit of previous posts does not solve anything. Lexx could have reported to an administrator about the problem, who in turn could have the flawed site blocked to prevent this problem in the future. She could have issued a warning not to use that site, as the security flaw in it could cause another situation like mine. As it stands, you can still link to that site from these forums, the site still contains the security flaw, and people continue to use that site for image's that they post here. If Reborn Outcast can make a post of a nude woman and not get banned, then there is leniency in the rules to special situations. Does this leniency not also apply to my situation? I did not break any rules, and my actions were on a foriegn server. I understand the mistake I made in choosing that picture, and I will not do that again. If I did it maliciously, to post pornography in defiance of the rules, would I not continue to do it? Especially considering the fact that I am now banned from the community and there have been an ample amount of oppurtunities to do it, considering the fact that people continue to use that site to link to. But I have not, as I now know that I could have caused serious harm to the reputation of Reborn, or any other poster who continues to use that server. I truly do enjoy this community, and I enjoy participating in it. I am owning up to the fact that I made a poor decision, but the punishment for it came too quickly, and too severely. I am asking that I may have my ban lifted off the account with the username munik. Thanks for your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Munik, your apology sounds sincere and it looks as though you really do enjoy participating in these forums. Although I would say that the blame fell entirely on the correct party I am going to talk about this with the mods over there and see what their views are on this and as to whether or not you should get a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Munik, you are not admitting the entire blame, you are trying to say it's the sites fault for having the flaw. Well, the site may have a flaw, but that doesn't stop the fact that you replaced everyones pictures with porn, something which was completely out of order and deserved an instant ban, especially after you were warned and continued to do it. The warning may have been a short one, but I knew you were reading the thread at the same time as me and I had to prevent you from posting further porn. You were not simply pointing out the flaw, if that is what you wanted to do, you could have done it in so many other ways. After you changed the pictures, you tried to blame Reborn. Another mod who didn't know what was going on could have seen Reborns post and banned him. Everyone posted innocent pictures of their desktops and were entirely blameless. I was lucky enough to see everyones pictures before hand, and see the changed ones afterward. Only one person is to blame here and that is you. You uploaded porn to a server knowing the pictures would appear on the forum, and that is why you got an instant ban. You also ask how I knew it was you. Well you must think I'm a complete idiot. After what you had previously posted it was obviously you. Edit/ You haven't apologised at all. You seem to think you are innocent of all crimes and just made a poor decision. You should remain banned until you admit that you are entirely to blame, were justly banned and give a sincere apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Quite the mess you've made for yourself Munik... Don't try shifting the blame on Reborn, or even considering that he should get banned in place of you. This is akin to swapping some kid's BB gun with a real, loaded one and then blame him when he unwittingly used his friend's brain to redecorate the room. Now I know you had "good intentions" with this, but the next time, please just use a picture of a spider or a hairy baboon ass instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by C'jais the next time, please just use a picture of a spider or a hairy baboon ass instead. yes, why on earth would you chose a porn picture? If I need to see a naked woman I'll just look in the mirror after a shower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by Boba Rhett Munik, your apology sounds sincere what apology? i didn't see one it was like a politician's apology.. "maybe i was in the wrong, sort of. but everyone else was more in the wrong than me." all i see is whining and trying to justify his actions, which is like saying it's alright to steal someones car if they have left the keys in the ignition. i do realise this has nothing to do with me. but that wasn't an apology. what he should of put is... "i clearly messed up big time and i realise your banning of me was totally justified, however i'm pleading that you give my a second chance." he said nothing that would change my mind if it was i who had banned him. as i said, i know this doesn't concern me. and don't get me wrong, i also believe that everyone should be entitled to a second chance. all i'm saying is if that's Munik's idea of an apology then he really needs to work on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 i don't know why but i was bothered by this all night. i think it was really wrong of munik to post porn...no matter if he thought it was his job to teach someone a lesson. i can't belive you just thought posting porn wouldn't result in anything less than a ban. you had to of known that. we've all seen people get banned for less. the forums are no place for porn. i come to this place through my work. i could get fired for looking at something like that!! My job...could have been lost because I happened to look at a porn-free forum w/ porn on it at the wrong time. What if one of my supervisors happened to see me w/ that on my screen? I just find that this is in excusable and I'm offended as member of this forum. I apologize if I'm coming off harsh or that it isn't my place...but I am an active member of this forum and do not feel that it was *cute* to post crap like that up. *i'm getting off my soap box now. However - I do believe in second chances...as long as the person admits there wrong doing and doesn't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuceII Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 Ok, my initial post was lengthy with much detail, as I wanted to convey the entire event and my reasons for my action. I am not shifting blame to anyone, I was stating all the facts as I saw it. I did say that I was to blame for uploading a nude picture to that server, I never denied that fact. I am not trying to get Reborn banned, and I never was, I was using him as an example of leniency in the rules. Now, I have admitted the entire blame, as I did in my first post. I uploaded porn to an image hosting server with a filename that someone had previously linked too. It was my actions that caused porn to be shown on the forums. I am not denying this, nor did I not admit as much in my first post here. What more can I do for you? Reborn has recieved my sincerest apologies for my actions, before I even made my initial request in this forum. But to be clear, I don't think I deserved to be banned for an action that does not violate board rules. Warned, slapped on the wrist, puched in the face, whatever...but not banned. I uploaded one nude photo, Reborns. Lexx, 6 minutes later you warned me, then 3 minutes after that you banned me. After I uploaded the nude photo, I immediately made a post and then read other threads. I came back later only to find the ban. I continue to see you refer to pictures, or peoples posts. I only uploaded on nude photo that effected one image tag link, that is all. This was an isolated incident that has desisted. If a warning was warranted, then how come I got banned? I left minutes before you even posted a warning, I never continued to do it. Lexx, I did make a bad choice, but I did not break board rules. I admit blame for my actions, I have apologized to Reborn for my mistake. If you want me to apologize here so I can get my ban lifted, I will, but be sure that if you force it out of me it will be a hollow one. I have made my peace with the one my mistake could have harmed. I will not admit I was justly banned, as I did not break board rules, I did not do what you stated I was banned for, and I did not defy your warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 You posted porn, and got banned. All your fault, not reaper's or Reborn. I'm ticked off cuz I was going through it and it just so happens theat my dad walks in the room...... luckly he's cool and I told him what might of happened and he just pretended he never saw it. And you did break the rules.. I couldn't find it, but I remember reading it somewhere, maybe someone should copy one of the "rules" Thread from a forums and put it where everyone can see it... If you all decide to let him back in the "circle of trust," be sure he's banned for a week or so... I really do not want to go through another embarassing episode of a parent's lecture about.. you know what... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by deuceII But to be clear, I don't think I deserved to be banned for an action that does not violate board rules. Warned, slapped on the wrist, puched in the face, whatever...but not banned. I uploaded one nude photo, Reborns. You did violate board rules. You have admitted it was your actions that resulted in porn being shown on the forum. It is against the rules to post porn, this is what you did, whether it be by uploading it to a server or posting it indirectly. Posting porn is punishable by instant ban. Lexx, 6 minutes later you warned me, then 3 minutes after that you banned me. Good aren't I. After I uploaded the nude photo, I immediately made a post and then read other threads. I came back later only to find the ban. I continue to see you refer to pictures, or peoples posts. I only uploaded on nude photo that effected one image tag link, that is all. That is a blaintant lie. You posted two porn pictures and changed Reapers signature. I saw all of them. This was an isolated incident that has desisted. If a warning was warranted, then how come I got banned? I left minutes before you even posted a warning, I never continued to do it. You're lucky you got a warning in the first place. I didn't have to give you one. I was hoping you would apologise and remove the images, but then 3 minutes later I saw yet another porn picture and decided I should wait no longer. Lexx, I did make a bad choice, but I did not break board rules. I admit blame for my actions, I have apologized to Reborn for my mistake. If you want me to apologize here so I can get my ban lifted, I will, but be sure that if you force it out of me it will be a hollow one. I have made my peace with the one my mistake could have harmed. I will not admit I was justly banned, as I did not break board rules, I did not do what you stated I was banned for, and I did not defy your warning [/b] I certainly don't want a hollow apology. So, you state you did not break the rules, which means you think it ok to do this again. This thread is a pathetic attempt to justify what you did when you know damn fine you broke the rules. Your actions could have harmed more than one person, it could have harmed so many people for so many different reasons. If you will not admit you were justly banned, then I can see absolutely no reason for this ban to be lifted, as you will more than likely do it again in the future thinking it is ok to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by STTCT yes, why on earth would you chose a porn picture? If I need to see a naked woman I'll just look in the mirror after a shower! Don't give me thoughts. Besides, I think this guy was almost banned a while ago for flaming..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuceII Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 (an addition, as I had typed this entire post before reading your last post Lexx. I uploaded one nude picture in place of Reborns picture, I am not lying here. I changed Reapers sig, but that was not pornographic or violating any rules. I made an attempt to alter Captain Wings desktop picture by adding the words "Pie Hole", but I didn't think that worked as I never saw the change on the forums. That's all I did. I am not lying here, nor have reason to. We clearly have a difference of opinion regarding the pornography rule here. I do see how what I did is wrong, but I did not post porn as the rule states. This appears to be a technicality, as I used a foriegn server to alter someone else's post, an action that is worlds apart from making a post containing porn myself. As I said, this can be construed as a technicality, but I did not break the board rules nor do I deserve the punishment reserved for a board rule that I did not break. I also did not do this in direct defiance of the board rules, it was an innapropriate choice on my part, not an intentional violation. I am not trying to justify what I did, I have stated numerous times that I see it was wrong now and will not do it again. I am just elaborating to ensure that it's apparent I did not do this to intentionally to break any rule. Also, as I have written into the post already, I am not going to recant my beliefs for you. That is a pompous attitude you possess that has become apparent in your repeated demands that I switch my opinion. I am not one of your children, you need to stop treating me as if I were. Am I banned for innapropriate action, or am I banned because I won't say what you want me to say?) 5. The posting of obcene material is not allowed. (ie pornography, violent and disturbing images and/or writings.) [Penalties] If it's about posting pornography, the user will be permanently banned without warning. I appreciate your uninformed opinion StarWarsPhreak, so I want to show you the only rule pertaining to nude pictures in the Swamp. I DID NOT POST NUDE PICTURES! I am not blaming anyone for my actions. Please stop saying that I did, you are only upsetting me in my attempt to reverse this ban. I came here to ask an administrator, or an authority above Lexx, to reverse my ban as I believe it was uncalled for. I did not come here to apologize, or to ask for mercy, so those chastizing me in that regard I also ask that you desist. Also, this is not the Inquisition, so suggestions that I recant my beliefs and opinions or continue to suffer excommunication are totally unnecessary. ZBomber, that is an absolute fabrication on your part. That was a past incident in which I pushed a little too much, and my post and tone was negative. For which I recieved a warning to stop, and I stopped. Please don't chime in with this rubbish, I am trying to do something here and you are putting up stumbling blocks to unfairly prevent me from doing it. I was unaware of the puritan mentality that is prevalent in the Swamp in regards to nude pictures. Had I known, I would not have done what I did as I try not to make too many waves, or upset others. I understand that what I did was deemed as wrong, or innapropiate. But it did not violate the posted rules, there is no reason to pigeon hole what I did to fit the rules, or to fit the punishment. A permanent ban is the worse punishment, because of it's finality. If permanent bans can be issued at the whim of a moderator, then so be it, I have no leg to stand on here. But I don't believe that to be true, I don't believe permanent bans should be handed out without violation of a stated rule, or without an ample warning to desist in the action. I did what I did once, I stopped even before Lexx warned me. If I planned on doing it again, I would have stopped after the warning Lexx issued, as I did not realize that my actions could constitute a ban. As has been stated by Lexx she banned me because she "had to prevent [me] from posting further porn". If she knew that it was obviously me, then she would also know that banning me could in no way prevent me from uploading files to another server. So in that regard, a ban was absolutely unnecessary. A more prudent choice to stop the possibility of porn appearing is to block that site. That action has never been done, and it is still possible for myself or others to replace pictures. Look, I now see that any action that may produce nude pictures on the forums is unnacceptable. I will not do it again. A permanent ban leaves no room for rehabilitation, and my actions were never previously addressed to inform anyone that they would incur a permanent ban by doing what I did. Permanently banning me also does not serve as a deterent to everyone else not to do what I did, as what I did was never addressed and the stated reason for my banning was an action that I did not do. There was no cause to permanently ban me, other then an innadequate use of authority. Seeing now that what I did is constituted as wrong, I am willing to accept a punishment for it. The next thing to a permanent ban would be a suspension, and I'd gladly accept that. God knows that one day away has sucked bad enough. But a permanent ban is just way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by deuceII I DID NOT POST NUDE PICTURES! Yes you did. I came here to ask an administrator, or an authority above Lexx, to reverse my ban as I believe it was uncalled for. The administrator has asked for all the mods opinions on this matter and we are giving it. I did not come here to apologize, or to ask for mercy, so those chastizing me in that regard I also ask that you desist. Also, this is not the Inquisition, so suggestions that I recant my beliefs and opinions or continue to suffer excommunication are totally unnecessary. You came here in the hope that your ban be lifted and in order for us to do that, we must be sure that you realise what you done was against the rules. Obviously you don't. I say again, whether it be directly or indirectly, you posted porn, fullstop. I don't believe permanent bans should be handed out without violation of a stated rule, or without an ample warning to desist in the action. Again, you were in violation of a stated rule. There was no cause to permanently ban me, other then an innadequate use of authority. That right there is an insult which I take great offense to. You may not agree with my decision but it doesn't mean it was the wrong one. Everyone agrees with me on this matter, you are the only one who does not see the error of your ways. I was willing to agree to lift the ban if you were willing to admit you were entirely to blame, were justly banned and give a sincere apology, as I stated in my first post, but this obviously isn't gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 The Rules in question 5. The posting of obcene material is not allowed. (ie pornography, violent and disturbing images and/or writings.) ... And the most important rule of all: Don't be stupid It's a good rule that covers a lot of ground. Majority seems to think you are guilty of the first one. If you like to look for technicalities, check out the all encompassing rule under it. As for your ban, think of it like this: if you were permanently banned, you wouldn't be posting a repeal thread. Be happy with this account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuceII Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 *sigh* I grow tired of this fight, as it has been uphill for me all along. So, let me make amends. Three mods/admins posted their opinions here about the situation. Four other people who are not mods or have bearing on my plight also posted their opinions, which I found to be very counter-intuitive for me. So I asked that they stop, I was not asking for mods/admins to stop. Hope that clears that up. I do know, and understand that what I did is against the rules. I have said that numerous times. What I have been trying to explain is that before the incident I did not know it was against the rules, as I didn't think that one rule covered it. But, rules get made up, or ammended for situations like mine, but are never written down. Here is one example, I had no idea this was not allowed but after seeing it stated that it wasn't, I am not going to do it. Here is another example, similiar to this situation. I had no way of knowing that p2p talk was not allowed, as it was not stated in the rules. It was said that it falls under the warez/illegal rule, which I disagreed with it. But I stopped after it was said not to talk about p2p. In this case I did not know that my actions would fall under the pornography rule, but after it was brought to my attention that it did I agreed to not do it again. First: I have accepted full blame for doing what I did. Everytime I posted here I said I did what I did, I am not shirking the blame nor have I ever. Everytime I posted here I said something to the effect that I see the error of my actions. Is that acceptable for admitting I am entirely to blame? I don't understand where I have implied something opposite of the introduction of porn being my fault. Second: Justly banned. This is something I reckon I have to concede to. I know not what your definition of justice is, so this a hard one to do. If I knew that my actions would fall under the pornography rule, then I would have accepted the ban and never came here to ask for a reversal. But I was unaware of that, and because of my ignorance I managed to get myself banned. If I was in your shoes, and I saw what I believed to be a violation of the porn rule, then certainly it was justifiable. My claim of unjust was because I had different view on the situation, and after discussion I see your reasoning. I did not know at the time of what a grave infraction I had commited, as we apparently have differing morals. If this situation were to happen again, I would fully understand the ban, as I would know the justification for it. If this isn't a concession to a just ban please point out where I have failed and I will further comply. Third: A sincere apology. To whom and for what? I have already apologized to Reborn Outcast for the problems my actions caused for him, if it is absolutely necessary I can publicly repost it. I am unsure of this requirement, as I can't apologize proper if I don't know who I slighted, and in which way I did it. I agree to do so, but you need to clarify this for me so I can comply. Now, with that out of the way, I'd like to address you Lexx in regards to this situation. I hold no animosity towards you, and I will hold no grudge. If you take great offense to one of my statements I apologize. In your previous post you inferred that I was a liar, but words slide off like water off a ducks back. We are both adults and as such we can have different ideas yet still be amicable toward each other. I never meant to cause such a problem, and I never intended to directly disobey a forum rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuceII Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 matt-windu, I know that if I wanted to I could continue to post in the forums. A permanent ban means nothing if you can't stop someone from posting, and the best you can do is ban accounts or ban ip's. The system only works if people choose to follow the punishments. The words I post are my thoughts and ideas, not the ideas of an account. So if my account is banned it is because of my words, which means I as a person am banned. And I accept that. If it is decided that the ban should remain, I am not going to go back and post with another account. I am going to leave. During this whole thing I have not posted in any forum except this one, as I am following my punishment. I would not have come here to ask for the ban to be reversed if I was not a responsible person who accepts the consequences of his actions. I could have just continued posting with another account, and this whole situation would have just blown over. But I am not going to evade the situation. I simply had a disagreement with the ban, I am hopefully working it out, if it stays then I am gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Originally posted by deuceII matt-windu, I know that if I wanted to I could continue to post in the forums. A permanent ban means nothing if you can't stop someone from posting, and the best you can do is ban accounts or ban ip's. The system only works if people choose to follow the punishments. No. It works even when you choose not to comply. We have your IP. We can contact your ISP and find out who exactly you are...then file a law lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Ok,ok...Hold on here. You are putting the blame on Reborn for what YOU did. You dirty f'ing bastard! Its people like you that would KILL somebody and say it wasnt them. I dont know if you already did, but do not unban this guy. He DESERVES to be banned. There is no reason for him to stay on these board. He violated, probably the most important rule. No porno. If I was in charge of this place, I'd make sure he was banned, and banned for GOOD! Thats what I have to say. -AG EDIT- darthfergie....You are now officially on my cool person list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 AG, would you please calm down. No need to go off on one. Besides, it is up to the admins and super mods to decide what should happen in the fairest way possible, considering the circumstances surrounding the issue. They have enough information to make an educated decision, and will do at some point. Trust their judgement, young one;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 All that Munik did was just manipulate the hosting site so a porn picture would be on Reborn's post, and then hide behind the rules that since he didnt "actually" make the post, he shouldnt be in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Originally posted by Darklighter AG, would you please calm down. No need to go off on one. Besides, it is up to the admins and super mods to decide what should happen in the fairest way possible, considering the circumstances surrounding the issue. They have enough information to make an educated decision, and will do at some point. Trust their judgement, young one;) Sorry bout flipping out, but I totally meant what I said to him. Its people like him that sicken me. But, I'll calm down now. *takes a deep breath* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuceII Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 AcrylicGuitar, I never intended any trouble to come to Reborn Outcast. I never blamed him for what I did. After the fact, here in this forum, I did use him as an example to help convey my point. But it no way was I trying to shift the blame to him, and in no way was he actually considered to be at fault during all this. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I was blaming him, but it is an incorrect conclusion. I have stated as much several times in this thread. I'd also like to inform you that "people like me" do not appreciate your unsolicited opinion when it is baseless and reflects negatively on me. darthfergie, I didn't say I was going to do it. If you put that there to prove me wrong, while it is a noble and idealistic gesture, I must inform you that I am a U.S. citizen and I reside in the U.S., and my ISP is also a company based in the U.S. That means that I am protected by the Cable Communications Policy Act of 1984 (Two years before you were even alive! wow!) and as I have committed no criminal act I find it hard to believe that you think you could find out who I am from my ISP. As it is now, I am currently waiting for Lexx to respond to me. But I do appreciate the excess amount of chastising I have recieved here, and ya'll can continue while I wait. Apparently no one has a problem with kicking a man when he is down. EDIT: Tyrion, I am not saying I should not be in trouble. I have accepted that what I did is wrong. I am just at odds with the severity of the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Originally posted by deuceII darthfergie, I didn't say I was going to do it. If you put that there to prove me wrong, while it is a noble and idealistic gesture, I must inform you that I am a U.S. citizen and I reside in the U.S., and my ISP is also a company based in the U.S. That means that I am protected by the Cable Communications Policy Act of 1984 (Two years before you were even alive! wow!) and as I have committed no criminal act I find it hard to believe that you think you could find out who I am from my ISP. I'm not kicking you when you're down. Just taking away your stupid threat. It was a low blow that shouldn't have been said. If you keep coming back after repeated banning you'll be violating these people's rights. We went through this issue back in the day with Viper and he was finally convinced to leave after we leveled this on him. I'm telling you that we can find you and we can sue if you make the situation that difficult. I havn't pronounced any judgement against you, but I don't want you using that threat as a shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuceII Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 I said I wasn't going to do it! That is what the first post you quoted was entirely about. matt-windu said I should be happy with this account, and I said I am not going to use it if I remain banned. I didn't make a "stupid threat", and I'm not using any "threat as a shield". You are twisting my words and putting words in my mouth making my situation here worse then it is. You also will not be able to bring a civil suit against me for any reason. I don't know where you come up with this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Actually, accessing a system you are banned from counts as unauthorized access. That is illegal. If you're accessing it across state lines, it's a felony. With the 'terrorism' crackdown as it is lately, this might actually prove to be a case. And I, for one, am not unbanning you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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