Mort-Hog Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Do you think Bush has done a good job? Do you think he has handled the war with Iraq, Afganistan and the 'war on terrorism' well? Are you angry that he lied about WMD? Do you think he has improved the US' diplomatic relations? How well has he handled the US internally? (the Americans will probably find that an easier question to answer) Have your say! and I won't cuss you down! not at first anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oystein Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Bush is a sick bastard and the real threat to world peace. I hope someone assassinates him and his bitches (Blair, Fogh-Rasmussen, etc.). End of rant. Seriously though, I think he's just enlarging the gap between east and west. And religion is, as always, the root to all evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooJaka Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 I am English. I have interest in current affairs that take place outside the land I own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 I'm interested in knowing how gore would've handled all the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 The Iraq war was terrible, and I don't like George Bush at all. He's also an idiot with the environment don't forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 He saved those people from poverty! Look at Saddam...living in lavash castles...just how many feet away from poverty stricken cities. His people were living in dirt and filth while he was living the life! I just wish Bush had not used the lame ass excuse about WMD and just made it more of a "saving the people" war instead of all this propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 If these people were saved from poverty, shouldn't they be, I don't know... less poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Well...it takes time. Its still a transition. You can't tell me they were better off with the Regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 So the US should be able to attack any regime it doesn't like? And obviously it was something they did just to be nice to the poor Iraqis. Yes. America is big-hearted. ¬ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Well someone has to stop the people who starve their people and torture them. I don't care if it's America doing the stopping or any other country. Some countries just aren't brave enough to step up to the plate. They'd rather let another country do it and then rag on them for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabb Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 But there are people starving in America too. Shouldn't Bush sort them out with a nice bacon butty before he goes off to Iraq? And yeah, I heard that Saddam rides around on horseback, striking at innocent people with his iron whip whilst humming the theme tune to 'Black Beauty' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 America has some incredible poverty, if intervention is for humanitarian reasons it should get its own house in order first. There are American people who live in 'filth and dirt' while rich people live around them. From a certain perspective America is just as bad as any 'evil regime', its detaining people without trial in Guantannamo Bay in breech of their human rights and when people from there are tried its in a military court with no independent judge and jury. Two British citizens are due to be tried in this manner, who on earth is America to try citizens from another country like this? America is by no means whiter than white. Sometimes intervention, especially from a position of fear and strength is the easy option. Intervention from a position of such overwhelming military strength isnt bravery, its merely a rejection of diplomacy and an assertion of unilateralism. The point Carl made about poverty is still valid since America and other countries seem to have failed to plan for the aftermath of war. Food and sanitation are still lacking, if America was serious about Iraqi poverty they would have put together a much bigger Iraqi aid package. Thats not to say that things wont get better in the long term but the welfare of the Iraqi people was clearly not a motivating factor in the decision of America to go to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 I don't think america could afford a much bigger aid package. We have to take care of our people too. As far as people starving here...its not like they are opressed. They can get jobs, food stamps etc. It is not like there aren't programs in our country that helps the poor out. And poverty here is not even comparable to what went on in Iraq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oystein Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 You say things like this takes time. Well, what about Afghanistan then? Everything there works like a charm now, doesn't it? Nah, Bush is just manipulating the fear in the American people after 9/11 so he can use his powers to wipe out the so-called "axis of evil". What's even more disgusting is his claims to be righteous and that he's doing this through God. The Christian people is enough misguided already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Time = years afganistan = years This stuff takes years and years of improvement - it is childish to think that it will be an instant change. It is going to take a long time, but in the long run I feel that the Iraqi people are better off and Clinton certainly didn't do anything besides getting laid so...hum. Go Bush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien426 Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Well, there is of course a lot of discussion about the war(s) that were going on. But one thing that's certainly good is that the western world finally takes real interest in those regions. I hope there are going to be some changes made. Education for one thing and political reforms. It can't be that some people steer those countries into fanatism solely for their own ends. The anti-western propaganda is often only used to distract from economic catastrophes. Yes, it's gonna take "time and resolve", but I think that in the end the middle east will be much more stable. Or it may get totally fucked up, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Clinton gave American foreign policy a far more humaniatarian slant eg intervention to prevent ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. To my mind thats a whole lot better than intervention born out of paranoid security considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort-Hog Posted July 11, 2003 Author Share Posted July 11, 2003 Capitalism means that you care about one thing: yourself. Whether it be as a country or as a business, the aim of capitalism is to make the rich people richer, capitalising on poorer people with the aim of making money. If there were nothing to be gained, whether it be as money from oil directly, or as additional political leverage in the area, from the invasion of Iraq, the US would not spend 3.9 billion dollars a month [1] on this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oystein Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 So, Mort, are you against capitalism or do you condone it? I think we all know that oil and moneymaking was the real reason Bush went to war. I was more interested in your own opinion, not some obvious fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Surfnshannon Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 I do agree on that issue of oil. I think that it had a LOT to do with the war and it is stupid of him to deny that it wasn't one of the reason's we went over there. That does piss me off about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oystein Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Originally posted by Mort-Hog See avatar. Heh, point taken! Btw, I own a very cool communistic souvenir. Bought in the former capitol of Lithuania, Trakai, behold: the officer's hat! I'm the guy to the right if anyone wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort-Hog Posted July 12, 2003 Author Share Posted July 12, 2003 Cool! I totally want some cool souveniers like that. We only go to boring countries on holiday, like Bulgaria and Malta. We were going to go to Moscow this year, but because of the latest Chechen action we probably wont. Might be going to Cairo instead though! Anyway, I'd best shut up and stop going off topic, else the thread-starter is going to get real angry at me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercatfat Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Far be it from me to take things back on topic, but recently I started to side with the Bush team a bit.. The new intelligence failure thing is putting me back on the Bush skeptic side though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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