Ockniel Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 whats going on with this thread? anyways, I think that alot of people think that the new episodes are aimed to much at the kids. I dont know, I still like them alot, oh well, people have their differences oh, and EU, I think that it is not truly star wars unless it was in the actual star wars movies, and they have alot of things that disagree with the films like the boba fett thing, but lets not go into that, and alot of things that change the way the star wars is, I dont like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiEND_138 Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 <------ Really likes the PT. I don't really think their aimed at the kids anymore the the OT was, unless the feeling I get seeing them is like when I was a kid watching RotJ's original release. Sure, everythings cleaner & lighter, kind of like it was supposed to be 'before the dark times'. As you said people do have their differences. If people would rather sit & pick the new films apart for their errors, or cry that it doesn't match their vision of what Anakins fall was supposed to be, or that Lucas is raping their childhood, more power to them. I'd rather enjoy the ride. The EU, some of the games are good. Thats about all the EU I enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Here's what most guys say: Weak Story Poor Acting Episode I wasn't as 'memorable' as the other Star Wars movies Jar-Jar, no questions. EU: I appreciate the EU as long as GL has agreed. I appreciate Fanfics and stories too, as long as they are Star-War-ish enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 *sigh* I definitely dont hate the PT or the EU.... and Im note the only one.....(and by EU, we're not just referring to the NJO are we ) alot of us were kids when we saw the OT for the first time and feel in love with the SW universe... dont forget that... Never expect SW to be some cerebral sci fi thriller. I was disappointed by TPM but I understand its purpose... I loved AoTC and am hugely looking forward to Ep3 mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 i like eu more than the movies. jedi knight series. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Well, of EU, i mostly like the games, i only read two starwars comics (Out of a trilogy) and apart from the games, that's about all the EU that ever got my attention... About the prequels, i like them, but they do have a bit of an artificial look... Some of it doesn't seem real, jsut because it isn't. But in the OT, a lot of things and aliens were there and you could see that. The technology has improved in AOTC, but that one had other stuff i didn't like. It's not really that the PT is bad, it's that the OT is better... IMHO ofcourse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 most people go by "original, and still the best" which is why a lot of people want the ORIGINAL original trilogy to be available instead of the new DVD version of the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 *sigh* I definitely dont hate the PT or the EU.... and Im note the only one.....(and by EU, we're not just referring to the NJO are we ) alot of us were kids when we saw the OT for the first time and feel in love with the SW universe... dont forget that... Never expect SW to be some cerebral sci fi thriller. I was disappointed by TPM but I understand its purpose... I loved AoTC and am hugely looking forward to Ep3 stop stealing my opinions! oh uhm... ditto'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 i love the PT like many, i grew up with the OT and when GL first announced he was making the prequels i jumped with joy of the prospect of seeing 1) the origin of vader 2) jedi knights in their prime and 3) how palpatine became the emperor. So far I haven’t been disappointed and I’m really looking forward to Ep III as I do believe it will be the best of the 3, and possibly 6. as for the EU, i like a lot of it... timothy zahn's books, the clone wars cartoon and some of the prequel books like cloak of deception, shadow hunter, the approaching storm. and of course the computer games like kotOR and the jedi knight series. the only EU i dislike is the NJO because i think its too star trekkie for my taste and i'm not a fan of star trek at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Keralys Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 I don't... I didn't care for Ep. 1 as much, just because of Jar Jar and the plot wasn't as intriguing. I found the acting in some parts of Ep. 2 to be lacking. (Think: Padme wearing very sexy dress showing a lot of cleavage, and pretty much saying with that outfit, "Hey, I want you to want me," and then actually saying, "No, we can't have anything together," both at the same time). But I like where Ep. 3 is going. As far as EU, there are some haters out there, more after the NJO - but there are a bunch of us hard-core geeks, too. Astro and I and a few others dominate the EU forums; that's where all the EU fans are. And really, it's not so much that people hate the EU (though some do) but that many people just aren't huge fans of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Things that I love about the PT: Providing context for the Jedi - The opening scene of TPM exemplifies the role of Jedi that we heard about in the OT. We see it again throughout AOTC and I can't wait to see how Jedi are portrayed in RoTS. Anakin's story - Even though the story seemed thrown together in some places, it's a starting point Things that I dislike about the PT: Kid-centric focus - this isn't your father's Star Wars. It seems like GL used Ewoks to justify lame dialog, stupid characters, and needless scenes in the PT. Little or no suspension of disbelief - I have this "I'm watching a movie" feeling when viewing either of the PT movies. I don't recall ever feeling that way when watching the originals. Don't know if that's GL or me. Anyways, that's my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildStorm69 Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I don't really dislike the prequels. Episode I was good, I loved the end duel scene. The actor for young Anikan was not that great, but oh well. As for Episode II, Anakin came across as a whiny little brat. That I did not like, and the romance parts were excessive - I would have preferred more battles/duels instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Jar Jar...plan and simple. Oh and 'Anni, Anni, Anni'. SHUT THE **** UP MOTHER ****ERS HIS NAME IS ANAKIN NOT ANNI YOU ****IN ****HEADS I'D TURN INTO A MURDEROUS HALF-ROBOT TOO IF PEOPLE CALLED ME ANNI!!!!!!! ...*deep breath*...whew...that felt good. Expand your Imagi-Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I actually prefer EU novels to any of the movies. I think some of them are a little grittier. Don't get me wrong, I like the movies alot. But I use them mainly as a visual reference anymore. I'll tell you what I don't like: The way GL sells the rights to his intellectual properties, characters, etc, to publishing companies who then turn these rights over to qualified authors. And rather than pay attention to what these authors have done with his characters, or even, I dunno, SET GUIDELINES FOR THEM TO FOLLOW SO IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH HIS MOVIES, GL pulls out his schlong, and just completely PISSES all over EU by saying "that's cannon" or "not part of my vision" or whatever the hell he comes up with. I HATE THAT. That would be the same thing as me selling you a used car. You get it, and do some restoration on it, paint it, new rims stereo, speakers, transmission, or whatever. Then I sneek over in the middle of the night, paint it back to the color I want, completely screw up all the work you did by reversing it. GAH! I hate GL. All he did was come up with a few good ideas. THe things people have done with his ideas are waaay better to me than anything he'll ever do. [/rant] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 That would be the same thing as me selling you a used car. You get it, and do some restoration on it, paint it, new rims stereo, speakers, transmission, or whatever. Then I sneek over in the middle of the night, paint it back to the color I want, completely screw up all the work you did by reversing it. no because he's still making movies about star wars, so it's not a used car, it's a car he's still driving. he's just lending people the car. would you like it if you lent someone your car and it came back a different color? i think the way GL sees it is it's ok to let people dress your baby as long as they don't try to dress it in bright pink spandex. there are as many bad star wars books as good star wars books. and i think most people would agree with that apart from the hardcore EU fans. take for insistence books like children of the jedi, crystal star or The New Rebellion. they're the books which give the EU a bad name. and, well i'm not going to get into the whole NJO debate, but people either hate it or love it, there's no middle ground there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Originally posted by Achilles Things that I love about the PT: Providing context for the Jedi - The opening scene of TPM exemplifies the role of Jedi that we heard about in the OT. We see it again throughout AOTC and I can't wait to see how Jedi are portrayed in RoTS. Anakin's story - Even though the story seemed thrown together in some places, it's a starting point Things that I dislike about the PT: Kid-centric focus - this isn't your father's Star Wars. It seems like GL used Ewoks to justify lame dialog, stupid characters, and needless scenes in the PT. Little or no suspension of disbelief ... I agree with you Achilles. I have watched all the movies again not too long ago and what I feel really lacked in the PT is the finesse of the OT. Apart from what you said, I would add that the dialogues in the PT were lame and simplistic in comparison with the OT - think about it: nearly all the good quotes from the movies come from the OT (just look at the pants topic ). Other thing: I think they lost all the magic of the OT, especially when trying to give a pseudo-scientific reason to everything, including the force (midichlorians) - dunno about that in EU, I don't really follow this- One more thing: the story. While it is interesting to go back in time with the PT, I feel the story is a bit "frankensteinized" : they put together many pieces of information to try to explain the OT but without caring too much about the details and the story (what was all that with Jar Jar and the endless swoop racing episode ). In the OT, you had a good progression of events and an unsuspected development in the movies. Who does not remember the: "Luke, I am your father!" (I think Kotor was more in line with the OT than the PT) Of course, that is just my opinion and I understand some people may like the PT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Keralys Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Jar Jar...plan and simple. Oh and 'Anni, Anni, Anni'. SHUT THE **** UP MOTHER ****ERS HIS NAME IS ANAKIN NOT ANNI YOU ****IN ****HEADS I'D TURN INTO A MURDEROUS HALF-ROBOT TOO IF PEOPLE CALLED ME ANNI!!!!!!! Well, profanity aside, Kain, I think that's the first time I've ever completely agreed with you on anything... scary:p there are as many bad star wars books as good star wars books. and i think most people would agree with that apart from the hardcore EU fans. take for insistence books like children of the jedi, crystal star or The New Rebellion. they're the books which give the EU a bad name. and, well i'm not going to get into the whole NJO debate, but people either hate it or love it, there's no middle ground there. I'm definitely going to agree with you on that. I think even we hardcore EU fans wish Children of the Jedi and The Crystal Star had never been written. The New Rebellion's not that bad, really... but it's politically oriented, not action, so it doesn't appeal to the same group of readers. I'd be inclined to agree with those who believe KotOR was more in line with the OT than the PT is/was. But I'll reserve my final judgement for the conclusion, which (despite it all) I am looking forward to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Originally posted by Darth333 I agree with you Achilles. I have watched all the movies again not too long ago and what I feel really lacked in the PT is the finesse of the OT. I also agree with you Darth333 and Achillies the PT lacks a certain feeling you get when you watch the OT. Originally posted by Darth333 Apart from what you said, I would add that the dialogues in the PT were lame and simplistic in comparison with the OT - think about it: nearly all the good quotes from the movies come from the OT (just look at the pants topic ). I also felt the dialogues were also strained in some parts, and you can tell the actors are trying to show some emotion but it doesn't come through right or looks odd in the context of what is occuring around them. Originally posted by Darth333 Other thing: I think they lost all the magic of the OT, especially when trying to give a pseudo-scientific reason to everything, including the force (midichlorians) - dunno about that in EU, I don't really follow this- The whole Midiclorian thing was really lame, like GL had watched too much Star Trek lately and wanted to get all scientific on us all. Originally posted by Darth333 (I think Kotor was more in line with the OT than the PT) Yeah KOTOR does have that definate Star Wars feeling especially with the the way the plot unfolds! Just my 2 cents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master A'zuren Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 I do not hate the EU but the prequels yes. Beacause they were not up to stander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi_5002 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Originally posted by Darth333 I agree with you Achilles. I have watched all the movies again not too long ago and what I feel really lacked in the PT is the finesse of the OT. Apart from what you said, I would add that the dialogues in the PT were lame and simplistic in comparison with the OT - think about it: nearly all the good quotes from the movies come from the OT (just look at the pants topic ). Other thing: I think they lost all the magic of the OT, especially when trying to give a pseudo-scientific reason to everything, including the force (midichlorians) - dunno about that in EU, I don't really follow this- One more thing: the story. While it is interesting to go back in time with the PT, I feel the story is a bit "frankensteinized" : they put together many pieces of information to try to explain the OT but without caring too much about the details and the story (what was all that with Jar Jar and the endless swoop racing episode ). In the OT, you had a good progression of events and an unsuspected development in the movies. Who does not remember the: (I think Kotor was more in line with the OT than the PT) Of course, that is just my opinion and I understand some people may like the PT. I agree with you. I mean they are good, but not OT good, so people (strongly) dislike them because of that. Basically what RedHawke said are my thoughts. Just my 25 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by Darth333 One more thing: the story. While it is interesting to go back in time with the PT, I feel the story is a bit "frankensteinized" : they put together many pieces of information to try to explain the OT but without caring too much about the details and the story (what was all that with Jar Jar and the endless swoop racing episode ). While I was reading this, it occured to me that the main difference between the two trilogies is the driving force. To me, the OT seems much more character driven. Not the way 21 Grams was character driven, but hopefully you get what I mean. In comparison, Episodes I and II seem to be more eye candy and fluff than anything else. Another thing to consider is that Joseph Campbell was around to help GL during the OT. Now that he's gone, I think that GL is having a hard time keeping a correlation between his story and classic myth. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by RedHawke Originally posted by Darth333 Other thing: I think they lost all the magic of the OT, especially when trying to give a pseudo-scientific reason to everything, including the force (midichlorians) - dunno about that in EU, I don't really follow this- The whole Midiclorian thing was really lame, like GL had watched too much Star Trek lately and wanted to get all scientific on us all. I think this has a lot to do with the comment I just made re: Joseph Campbell's influence on the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by Achilles To me, the OT seems much more character driven. I completely agree with you on that. The reason I think this is though, is that EP 4 starts of with just 4 main characters - Luke, Leia, Han and Vader. Additional characters are either peripheral, added in later episodes (the emperor, lando, yoda etc) or don't speak in an understandable language (Chewie). In EP1 at least, GL threw a LOT of unfamiliar characters in our direction at once and rather than just concentrating on a few, spread the story pretty evenly between them. As the film is only 2 hours long, it doesn't give us as much time to explore the characters. EP2 is a lot better in this regard though, and I feel EP3 will be the great redeemer. Originally posted by Darth333 nearly all the good quotes from the movies come from the OT (just look at the pants topic ). I think the dialogue issue goes back to Achilles point with the character driven point. The prequel trilogy has to tell it's own story and simultaneously setup the Original Trilogy, whilst introducing new characters. The dialogue by necessity has to be more exposition based - driving the story along, rather than the characters and this is a very hard thing to get balanced properly. I think they're still brill though - GL has got the action parts of the film just right in my book and that's what you really want from a star wars film - lightsabers and space battles:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by Codja X I feel EP3 will be the great redeemer. I, too, have high hopes for Episode III. As I've stated previously, I think that GL will be able to bring this one home for the adult audience that grew up with Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 I really hope so:) I've just watched the entire Clone Wars series back to back and that is probably the best thing i've seen this year (people should hate it, being EU AND prequel:D). It's fully geared me up for EpIII and if the last film is even half as good as the cartoon, it'll be right up there with Empire Strikes Back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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