what do you think; Are we alone?

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

@Doc, "first post" Are you implying that Evolution is the only scientific based reasoning, and that Religion is exclusive of science??????

 

As for light, in that case there would also be an infinite number of objects between those infinite light sources and earth, for lack of a really good scientific explanation (It's 2:07 am and today was another paint day XP) the light would also spread and disipate or whatever such that even if there were nothing else between it and earth you probably wouldn't see it (like trying to see flashlights from miles away, the farther you are, the more flashlights you can't see)

Then there's also the consideration that only the stars around "here" give off what is known as visible light, there could be whole galaxies that produce something other than light as well.

And I don't see a reason not to believe the universe isn't. From what everyone's referring to as a "religous perspective" if God wanted to make only one world with life the question of an infinite universe wouldn't matter but he probably would've made it infinite anyway just for fun and to give us conversation material, and if he wanted to have multiple planets with life on them he probably spaced them out far enough that we wouldn't annoy each other to the point of picking a fight.

 

@Revan, "not ready to handle it" or it could be entirely possible (especially if you take the more common view of Genesis, Implying that other planets would've been created at the same and have had the same "lifetime") that aliens could be still in World War I or that their version of the roman empire never quite finished and the whole world is an empire in a political mess that's never really getting anywhere, or that they skipped the dark ages and instead spent time on research which caused earlier space travel and have already came and are enjoying it here.

 

@Stoffe, I'm not so sure that all other lifeforms would be so completely different, either way would definitely be possible, but it seems that what most people think of when discussing aliens is the most far out thing their imagination can produce, while it would be possible (especially regarding my above "light" statement) that sentients were created (or evolved if you prefer) to different specifications to fit naturally into a specific set of environments, It seems more likely to me that they would be at least similar, the question is...would they be similar enough to mate, and would mating with them be some kind of divine intention or a nono. Mainly because I know there's that perfect woman out there somewhere;)

 

Your comment on cultures really made me stop and think about how a universe (es, mult vers, etc.) applies to percieved "humanity" and it's sinful nature, it would make an excellent research project;)

 

One thing to considder about the whole cause-effect-dimensions-choice-mlt universe thing is wether or not every single choice option branches out indefinetly or multiple paths tie together at certain "planned" unchangeable events, kind of all roads lead to rome, I don't know, just something to play with;)

 

Copy pastes stingers post with an amen:D

[Emperor Devon]

Here are my thoughts...

 

There are countless galaxies in this universe. Humans evolved on Earth. Why should this be unique to just this planet, considering how big the universe is?

 

The idea of alternate dimesions, however, is just plain stupid. There is no evidence to back that up, and it just doesn't seem like it could be real.

 

Another thing which people seem too focused on is how other aliens are more advanced than humans. Why exactly is that? For all I know, there could be a bunch of aliens on some far away planet who just learned that if throw rocks at yourself, it hurts.

 

Conclusion: What is the possibility that two sentient species will come into contact within our lifetimes? Might as well spend time contemplating other matters.

[Bastila]

I would like to see another life form, i don't think where alone, i hope where not or that would be sad really, but until we explore every plante who knows.

[Vibro]

Here are my thoughts...

 

There are countless galaxies in this universe. Humans evolved on Earth. Why should this be unique to just this planet, considering how big the universe is?

 

I recently watched a very interesting programme which did a lot to explain that. A long time ago, life may have been possible on some Planets, they were filled with water, however rocks continued to hit the surfaces of these Planets which has eventually made a layer over the water, which now seems to have almost disappeared.

 

Also, some Planets are too close to the Sun, that effect is obviously devistating, nothing could survive under that heat.

 

Some are too far away, and it would be too cold for any life form to survive.

 

I've never believed in aliens, even before I watched this, now I'm even more convinced that there are no life forms on other Planets.

 

PS: The point of the programme did not have anything to do with aliens, more like a review of Planets.

[RC-1162]

Do you think that the universe is infinite?

 

No. a damn straight 'No' with a capital 'N'. To quote Albert Einstein's theory of matter, gravity causes space to curve. With all the gazillions of stars out there, think of the amount of gravity that is generated?

Here it is in my own words:

Think of a straight line. It extends infinitley in both directions. Now, if you curve both of them just a little bit in the same amount, eventually they will meet. Which is exactly why Albert said that if you had a really powerful telescope and a massive light bulb fixed to your head, you might be able to see the back of your head if you stare hard enough into space.

 

others believe that each black hole leads to another universe

 

Well, to quote Einstein again, he said that if you travelled to a black hole and stayed there for a week of your time and then come back to earth, around 30 years on earth would have gone by!

 

The idea that there are countless dimensions, one varying only slightly from the one before it?

 

As for the Multiverse, I believe in it. The universe is a strange, strange place and their is always a possibility of a fourth dimension...

 

To quote the genius again, he said that there is a fourth dimension, although that bit i did not quite understand.

 

Which is probably a good thing, since humans have a tendency of wanting to subjucate any other culture they come across. And this is probably not a trait unique to humans.

 

this reminds me of a calvin and hobbes comic, in which calvin looks at a pile of litter strewn next to a dead tree stump and says:

"Sometimes, I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the univers is that none of it has tried to contact us yet."

 

in short: i say that life does exist elsewhere but man cannot find it just yet with the crap they call "equipment".

[Alegis]

There is the possibility of life, far away from us. But I don't really believe in intelligent aliens or other humans residing on a planet other than earth. I'm happier living with the idea that we are alone.

[ChAiNz.2da]

Personally, I couldn't conceive the notion that there isn't life out there. Space is too large and unexplored for us too immediately discount it.

 

Hell, we've only explored 5% of our oceans on this planet.. we've explored space even less than that...

 

Still, there's also the question "What do you consider life?" Does it have to be sentient? Can it be microbial, bacterial etc.?

 

I think how or what we believe/rate "life" also could determine alot of members answer to the question...

 

As for "life", yes I honestly believe there is more out there.. As for "sentient", I couldn't honestly answer, but I would and do hope there is... perhaps one day we'll know, but I don't think it will be in my lifetime

[RC-1162]

^^^

im with you about life. it doesnt have to be things that can walk, talk and destroy. a bunch of amoebae on Mars is enough to get scientists hyperactive.

and look at the life on out planet. we have hardly found out even 35% of the insect species here (gross). thousands of fish species lie at depths almost impossible for humans to reach. There will be millions of planets in this galaxy alone, if not billions. as far as we know, they would probably be sitting on their computer and discussing whether life exists elsewhere. life is a stange thing.

[El Sitherino]

Time is the fourth dimension.

 

I've never believed in aliens, even before I watched this, now I'm even more convinced that there are no life forms on other Planets.

You do realize that program was only on the planets in our solar system, don't you?

 

While life is a very difficult process to start, according to our own origins, not all life has to be carbon based. There could be life on other planets based on helium/nitrogen/etc. It might be infinitely easier to create helium based lifeforms, either way it's possible for other (intelligent) life to exist.

 

And I believe we've found evidence of sentient micro-organisms that lived on mars thousands of years ago, mind you sentience does not equate to intelligence. After all, a dog is sentient, but I wouldn't consider it intelligent on a level required for interstellar travel by it's own means.

[RC-1162]

Time is the fourth dimension.

exactly! finally got it.

 

dog is sentient, but I wouldn't consider it intelligent on a level required for interstellar travel by it's own means

 

well, you could implant nerve control chips into it

[edlib]

For the current string theories to work (and so far they come the closest to describing the way the universe works on both the quantum and galactic scales) there has to be at least 10 spacial dimensions. We can experience 3 spacial dimensions, plus time. We just can't sense the other 7(+) spacial ones, and it's possible that the split off in the first couple of nano-seconds of the big-bang, and have curled in upon themselves at the sub-quantum level. But they still affect the way strings interact, so are important to take into consideration.

 

Time is also considered a dimension, insofar as it is totally interwoven into the fabric of space.

[Aurora Merlow]

Pretty much everyone has already summed up my thoughts. The glalaxy, let alone the universe, is far too big for there to be no other life, even if it is no more than a micro-organism, and after all that is life. There could quite easily be intelligent life out there already but until we get out there and explore, we won't know.

[Jae Onasi]

The universe is huge. I don't have enough hubris to imagine we're all alone in it. Whether that other life looks like us or not is another topic, of course.

[spinkle]

I believe in both the existence of alien life and the existence of parallel universes. It's whether we will experience or prove either one of those in our lifetimes that I strongly doubt.

 

I agree with Sithy, I hate the popular conceptualizations of alien life. Except Zim.

[RevanA4]

Whether that other life looks like us or not is another topic, of course.

 

why is it another topic?

 

I stated this in the begining of the topic

 

we can discuss the possiblity of whats out there in the vastness of space?

 

possiblity can also mean how it looks?

 

personally I think the evolution on earth would have been different if the strengh of the earths gravity were different XD

[Jae Onasi]

^

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jae Onasi

Whether that other life looks like us or not is another topic, of course.

 

 

Revan the Great says:

why is it another topic?

 

--Only because Jae got distracted from skimming the other posts while attempting to post something quickly because the next patient was just about ready to be seen, and so momentarily forgot Revan's original post....

So, to add to that topic....

If gravity was different on earth, the birds (among other things) certainly would look different, because flight would be altered with lower/higher gravity.

We might see some silicon based lifeforms elsewhere, and since carbon-based anything can be so variable, we'd see all sorts of interesting things.

The type of atmosphere would alter things greatly, too.

[RC-1162]

if there were silicon based life-forms, then there might be a very good reason for that. The planet or moon the life form is on might be volcanic of having a high surface temprature. silicon based compouns can resist high temperatures, even up to the level of lava, so if we meet silicon based life forms in the future, it wold be a good idea to stay on earth rather than get fried on the other planet (or moon)

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

Or, systems, galaxies, etc. make up atoms of other worlds, and they in turn make up infinitely larger bodies *goes to bed*

(kinda makes really start hoping those verses about God even takin care the birds an flowers, which seem insignificant, are true;))

 

@Revan, If the earth did have lower gravity, and evolution actually occurs....

I'D HAVE JORDAN LIKE MAD HOPS!

[Ztalker]

Well,

 

Wasn't there a Nasa sattelite or something they sent through a wormhole or something? And the last footage it made was of a Similar-like-earth planet?

 

Just heared a rumour...could be an unbelivable big froud or something, or just me acting stupid again ^^

[RC-1162]

^^^

to amek a wormhole youll need a black hole type gravity generator, i dont believe NASA has one of those.

[CapNColostomy]

I have seen them.

[ChAiNz.2da]

I have seen them.

Aliens or Black Holes?

[CapNColostomy]

Aliens or Black Holes?

 

An obscene mixture of both.