Sabretooth Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Meh, it's just M. Nobody cares if it's M. Just about anybody buys and plays M games. I don't see whats the big deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TegSkywalker Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 What is it with video gamers hacking their games to see naked women? Yes a woman has breasts... get over it. If these people go through the effort of editing the files to achieve this, it is really a waste of time considering everybody has a web browser and can find porn of real people on the internet. I don't get virgins sometimes. I prefer the real deal, not some fake artist interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narfblat Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Why did Bethesda just lock-out the nudity art file, instead of editing or leaving it out? That was really stupid, after what happened to San Andreas. About the violence part, ESRB may not have realized how realistic the game would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 What if there was a mod that takes a texture from an existing topless male model and maps it to a female model. What then? You're still technically using the stuff in the game. It's just dumb. Sorry if I misled you, I meant the EULA puts the developers free, and puts the blame on the modders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Sorry if I misled you, I meant the EULA puts the developers free, and puts the blame on the modders... I wasn't referring to you with that statement. I was just saying, where is the line that defines a mod from part of the game? Let's just say this... I don't care what's is hidden in a game. If you can't get to it without modifying the game then it shouldn't be classified as part of the gameplay, and shouldn't be taken into account when applying a rating. And you definately shouldn't suddenly change a game's rating after months just because. It just screws things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Bethesda can not control tampering with Oblivion by third parties. Bethesda is taking steps to ensure that modders can not continue to hack into Oblivion's art archives to create partially nude figures. That sounds ominous. Surely a huge part of the appeal of Oblivion/Morrowind is the ability to mod condtent? Infact the developers have actively courted this sector as a way to extend the life of the product and sell more games. I don't see how they can lock down files from "horny modders" without locking them down from the rest of the modding community as well. (and as someone currently playing morrowind i appreciate it, as the game is practically unplayable without about 10 mods installed to improve and balance the experience). In the current hot coffee climate it was a little daft to leave in a nude model... but the modders could have created their own pretty easily anyway so its not really a factor. I can't help but think that the ESRB is using this as an excuse to re-rate the game because they got it wrong in the first place. In a deep, well plotted, GROWN UP game like oblivion it is daft to upgrade the rating based solely on possible toplessness... violence yes, toplessness no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Will this make the value of my software box go up? Mine says Rated "T" hehehe.. But yeah, this is ridiculous... unlike Hot Coffee where it's an entire "sex mini-game" that was *cough* 'forgotten' *cough*.. this modification is just a re-textured upperbody.nif (model) file used for humanoid beasts.. paint it flesh tone and yeah.. wheeeee boobies I think TegSkywalker summed it up about the whole point that "real" nekkid-ness is available rather easily.. who give's a rat's ass about pixelated ones... Besides, like any good perv, I've checked out the mod.. needless to say there's an unnatural "gloss" to the ermm... "extras" because of Oblivion's drawing engine...hehehe... unless they've been rolling around in olive oil.. well, I've seen better I think I'd be more worried over my kid seeing the disembodied & half-mutilated corpses in the game that are VERY highly detailed moreso than something they're bound to see in their lifetime sooner or later... Of course I have no kids, so I won't "play parent" on the subject.. but it just seems a bit absurd for anyone with common sense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Here's Bethesda's response to the rerating. It basically says the same thing most of us have been saying: they're not responsible for what other people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusLeCoy Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Ah, beat me to it. Yeah, it reminded me about Hot Coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Yeps. This is completely retarded. It's not like unlocking hidden explicit content. They handed a 60 pages report to the ESRB and now they change their opinion about blood & gore which already had a warning about it on the case? Sims has nude mods I believe. OHMIGOSH M ! You can make everything M with this retarded reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted May 4, 2006 Author Share Posted May 4, 2006 Its not exactly too "retarted" considering that Bethesda include the game with the topless skins buried. All modders had to do was do remove the undergarments covering them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Meh, it's just M. Nobody cares if it's M. Just about anybody buys and plays M games. I don't see whats the big deal...There are plenty of parents who care about M rated games, in addition to the current attempts in some places to enact legislation to make it a felony to sell an M-rated game to a minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 There are plenty of parents who care about M rated games, in addition to the current attempts in some places to enact legislation to make it a felony to sell an M-rated game to a minor. Yes, because who knows what the 6 million "under aged" gamers with M rated games could do with such insperation. It's kinda like Splinter Cell 3, the game actually has no real blood (stuff flying around or what ever) but the "stabby-rip-stab-stab" which Bongo and I love to call it; gave it the M. Weird, kinda. Another thing: Wasn't Halo rated Teen before it was released? Then 9/11 happened and it was changed? And games with anything nude I can think of right now: Oblivion (Skin mods) Morrowind (Better Bodies mod) Sims (I'm pretty sure) Sims 2 (I've seen them myself) World of Warcraft Max Payne 2 (It was already in the game) Half Life 2 (a lot of them) Yet Morrowind, Sims 2, and WoW haven't gotten busted. Very strange. Note: The violence in Oblivion is actually pretty bad, the first time I entered Oblivion and saw the bodies I actually said to myself "How the hell did this game get a T rating?" but then continued to have great fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Don't give me that bull****, I feel no shame for if I can't actually buy it and end up downloading it. I do feel sorry for Bethesda for creating an AWSOME game, and getting bull****ted like this Note to mods, I aint downloadin anything, nor advocating piracy. Christ you'll be 17 soon enough. I think you can wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthAve Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 I frown upon your post. You are misguided sir. Hey, I feel as if I have a right to speak my mind. I mean, honestly, what I'm saying sounds like a bunch of bull crap, but if your a little youngster and every night you see your father beat the crap out of your mother, are you gonna grow up and beat your wife? I'm pretty sure, since you're influenced by the things around you. and, i'm not a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Its not exactly too "retarted" considering that Bethesda include the game with the topless skins buried. All modders had to do was do remove the undergarments covering them. Did you read the article? There is no nudity in Oblivion without a third party modification. In the PC version of the game only - this doesn't apply to the Xbox 360 version - some modders have used a third party tool to hack into and modify an art archive file to make it possible to create a mesh for a partially nude (topless) female that they add into the game. Bethesda didn't create a game with nudity and does not intend that nudity appear in Oblivion. There is no nude female character in a section of the game that can be "unlocked." Bethesda can not control tampering with Oblivion by third parties. Bethesda is taking steps to ensure that modders can not continue to hack into Oblivion's art archives to create partially nude figures. I think that's clear enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Hey, I feel as if I have a right to speak my mind. I mean, honestly, what I'm saying sounds like a bunch of bull crap, but if your a little youngster and every night you see your father beat the crap out of your mother, are you gonna grow up and beat your wife? I'm pretty sure, since you're influenced by the things around you. and, i'm not a guy. Oh great now your bringing up nurture vs. nature, sir yes you have a rigt to speak your mind but we have the right to offer a rebuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Bethesda included a braless but still nippleless female model. That's it. When clothes are on the body is still there but braless to avoid clipping issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted May 5, 2006 Author Share Posted May 5, 2006 Did you read the article? I think that's clear enough... To be fair, I made this thread before the official Bethesda statement . But the first time I heard about this, the article made it sound as if all the modders had to do was removed the bra model parts and voila! nudity! sorry for my misguided response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Bethesda included a braless but still nippleless female model. That's it. When clothes are on the body is still there but braless to avoid clipping issues.Unless I'm mistaken, that's just there so they didn't have to create an individual torso for every female character in the game. They just layer the clothes over a generic $race$ female body mesh. IMO, that is nothing to even consider when rating a game. It's just how the game works underneath. Oblivion does have some heavy violence in it for a teen game though. It definitely pushes the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerd_Annhilator Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Hearing everyone swearing at/bashing/making fun of the ESRB and Jack Thompson is getting pretty old now and the moral arguments are too, its not going to do anything, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 yea move on, every time they take a little bit of our liberty and dignity, just give up, its only a little bit, and complaining isnt gonna help. p.s. i'm not giving up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Violence. Violence. Violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BongoBob Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Christ you'll be 17 soon enough. I think you can wait Even after I turn 17, my mom uses the generic parent thing, "Not while you're under my house!". I'm still gonna buy it, it's just gonna have to be when I'm not with my family. Like when I got Unreal Championship 2, I was at my friends house. His parents don't give a rats ass, so I was able to buy that no problem. I might be able to convince her to let my buy it with some lies like I did to get Halo. Like say the "violence and gore" is only in a specific string of missions that are side quests. Until I am either alone at a store with 50 bucks, or just there without my family, piracy is the only way. And I hate this fact. I hate that I have to reduce myself to piracy just because the ESRB screwed up, and is using the mod as an excuse to change the rating. And Sabre, I'm one of the persons that cares. As well as damn near everyone here. Am I the only one spotting a trend here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Violence. Violence. Violence. That's not violence, that's blood and gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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