Darth Badguy Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I don't tink it has anything to do with Dutch. I would like it if he was really called after a Dutch word (I'm Dutch ) but it doesn't make any sense... why would George Lucas read the dictionary of one of the smallest countrys in the world with a Prime-Minister of which George Bush can't even remember his name (Jan Peter Balkenende)? It's more like (In)vader, attacker, leader of the invasion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gug Eyewalker Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 About the scene where his is named Darth Vader, everything leading up to that was great, BUT, Anakin was way too submissive, he was just "What have I done?" "I pledge myself to your teachings" and that was it! There shoulda been a fight between the two or something, Sidious shoulda had a round against Anakin to break his will.... Forget about al lthe Padme nonsense! No idiot would jsut bow down to a sworn and untrusted enemy to save your girlfriend from a scanty vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth kav Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 he was "submissive" because he know no that he could not go back to the light side because he has killed a jedi master and if he did he would be exiled from the council.hope this anwsers your question. any why back to the subject i agree with Samurai DD and darth 54 said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Actually, he could come back to the light since he did in episode IV. If he loved Padme enough, then he would've done anything to save her - even betray his allies and become the Sith Lord's apprentice. And btw, Darth Badguy, try not to resurrect old threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I've heard about a babylonian word (think its babilonian, or sumerian, or somewhere else on the old Middle-East) that, renslated, sounds exactly like Darth Vader. The actual meaning of that word is: "The rule of the Sword". An entire era where the wars, the warfare, was woth more than actual people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth kav Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 thats kool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawaJoey Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 There are plenty of explanations for the etymology of Vader and most character's names, but the question, I think, is how did Palpatine come up with it. We don't know, but I would guess that he just chose it. Obviously not from the Dutch origin. Just something cool and intimidating, reminiscent of evil. He probably thought of it before hand. How do you name a child? You just come up with a good name. This was the same, except instead of a baby, he was a Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSerion Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 This is an ancient Sith tradition. When an Apprentice reaches the required status, the Master gives him his new name. He enters into a brief, but deep meditation, connects to the Force and then spells it. The Dark Side itself suggests the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Now how did the Sith Spirits come up with the name? I guess they are probably getting it from one of those "baby names" website from goggle. There are plenty of explanations for the etymology of Vader and most character's names, but the question, I think, is how did Palpatine come up with it. How do you name a child? You just come up with a good name. This was the same, except instead of a baby, he was a Sith. Well, there is no "Book of Baby Sith Names" found on Amazon.com. So it must be hard naming your lil' Sith. Well, actually rather than coming up with a nice sounding name, it does help to check on words with similar meaning, ESPECIALLY words that sound similar in the language. You ton'w want your kid to be made fun of fore the rest of his life. Cause you know, it is REQUIRED for everyone to make fun of a stupid name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I think the thread is about how Palpatine made up the name "Vader" and not how Lucas made up the name "Vader"! It was probably the name of some ancient Sith or meant something in the ancient Sith language, methinks. The way he says it, "Darth... Vader." indicates that he was looking for something in his memory, a name he had in his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Well, consider Anakin lucky... If Palpy have bad hearing then he may be stuck with some random stupid names... Darth... Beta!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obss Damell Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Well I don't know the official reason for how Palpatine came up with it (if there is one) but I know in, I believe, Dutch, Vader means father. So that's how they got the name. thats true. my guess is because he has no father. although some belive darth plaguies ''created'' him by manipulating midi-chlorians.....damn paradox....Plagueies makes Anikin, Sidious kills Plagueies, Anikin becomes Sidious' apprentice...damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike322 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Too bad they canceled the Plagues novel, although I am looking forward to the rule of 2. Anyways I think the whole Vade/Father concept was to coincide with "Luke, I am your father." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 But the solution for the "in universe" reason is what Darth54 and me already posted! Sith spirits chose the name, and told Sidious through the Force. Exactly... don't you remember that Sidious had a really deep voice when he told Ani that his new name was Vader... Sidious got this from the dark side of the force, he DIDN'T think of the name, the dark side of the force did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Fett Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 This is like asking how America became America... Or how Britain became Britain... Just sounds cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatae55 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 This is like asking how America became America... Or how Britain became Britain... Just sounds cool! Britain is named for the tribes(Britons)at the time of the Romans America was named for the explorer who originaly thought America was not Asia (Amerigo Vespucci). A map maker who believed Amerigo was so impressed, he wrote the name on his map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL_Sudentor Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Well I don't know the official reason for how Palpatine came up with it (if there is one) but I know in, I believe, Dutch, Vader means father. So that's how they got the name. That is absolutly correct. I'm dutch, but it certainly doesnt have to do anything with his name. Not one dutchy worked on the starwars series so it would be weird if it has anything to do with that. (unfortunatly) But I think that the emperor just thought a moment and then quickly concluded that he wants him to be named as vader. So he doesn't really takes a while to think about it. But i must admit i dit relate his name with the dutch word vader. I was 8 years old but it maked sense for me back then that they had it the whole time about darth vader, that actually was the father of luke. Is vader a word with a certain meaning in english??? So, Darth Vader could be translated as "Black Daddy" ?? Hehe yes indeed I don't tink it has anything to do with Dutch. I would like it if he was really called after a Dutch word (I'm Dutch ) but it doesn't make any sense... why would George Lucas read the dictionary of one of the smallest countrys in the world with a Prime-Minister of which George Bush can't even remember his name (Jan Peter Balkenende)? It's more like (In)vader, attacker, leader of the invasion... I was thinking of my earlier post, Lucas is a backname in dutch!!! Maybe his ancesters where dutch, maybe he related the fact that darth vader was the father of luke (don't forget that the movies need to be correct against the original trilogy) Maybe it thought 'vader' sounded good in English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 It comes from Gary Vader, a jock who may have picked on the young Lucas in high school. Don't believe me? http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com (in the pdf book, page 468) The "Dark Father" thing is just a coincidence, as the character was not turned into anyone's daddy until he began Empire Strikes Back. Originally it was just the name of various characters, not a "Sith Title" (as it became when he was writing Episode I, nearly 20 years later). In-universe, how did Palpatine come up with the name? Your guess is as good as mine! I don't believe there is an official explanation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Good find on the Gary Vader Kurgan! Agreed, people think that every detail, character, name etc has been fleshed out since 77'. Hell, Darth Vader (David Prowse) didn't know he was Luke's father till opening night lol! My guess is that in-universe he was named Vader by Palpatine in reference to a Sith word or name, although it could be a play on 'Invader'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Don* Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I believe that the "dark father" theory is the correct reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 It comes from Gary Vader, a jock who may have picked on the young Lucas in high school. Don't believe me? http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com (in the pdf book, page 468) The "Dark Father" thing is just a coincidence, as the character was not turned into anyone's daddy until he began Empire Strikes Back. Originally it was just the name of various characters, not a "Sith Title" (as it became when he was writing Episode I, nearly 20 years later). In-universe, how did Palpatine come up with the name? Your guess is as good as mine! I don't believe there is an official explanation... Wow... I never knew that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Wow... I never knew that... Why am I not surprised? George Lucas the person who started a series that jeeks everywhere can devote their life to, based the main antagonist off someone who bullied him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProphet Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 It's very interesting to see where people get their ideas for certain aspects of their stories. It also kind of gives you that creative power. It would make sense for Lucas to write his main villain after someone who bullied him. After all, many writers create their worlds based mildly off events that have happened in their own lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Well, put it this way, as least its not his mean ex girlfriend or something. And thank the force that the old bully have a decent name and not something like Bubba Thomson. Cause Darth Tom is not really a cool name for some arch villian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenesheremet Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Guys, all of you are wrong. Darth Vader comes from Darr Veter, the name of the hero from Andromeda: A Space-Age Tale. And it is not because of assonance of the names, but because Andromeda is one of the greatest sci-fi novels in history, that influenced greatly on many succeeding authors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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