George, it is time to retire...

[Shem]

EDIT:

It was more so I can't believe he hasn't yet, then me hoping.

Lucas is 64-years-old and doing well. I still can't understand the point of your original post; however there really wasn't anything you said that was point worthy nor will it ever be.

 

 

Generally I wouldn't say it was all utter garbage so far as acting and plot. Maybe this is subjective but: In AOTC where Anakin is about to begin slaughtering sand people to avenge his mother who just died in his arms, personally it was a good point to take a good look at who I was inside. I was still quite angry and vengeful at that point. I saw myself raising that blade--albeit different reasons but sort of the same situation. That was going to be me if I did not change my ways--which probably would not have ended well since at that point I didn't like myself for who I was.

I still to this day get chills when I see that scene. The music during that point of the movie was done perfectly. Hayden did a fantastic job with his expressions. I still love listening to the music and having Hayden just get up in a bitter rage and than just goes nuts on the Tuskens.

 

Now, I won't forget my first experience seeing that part while having major chills go up my spine because the guy sitting next to me said something that is cemented into my brain -- basically I always think of his quote when I saw that moment in Hayden's eyes: "Ohhhh... (bleep). He's going to (bleep) someone up."

 

Now, granted I was assuming there was going to be more from the scene in terms of what was shown which was caused from reading the novel first. In the AOTC novel, it talks in detail of the slaughter Anakin unleashed. The Force was really flowing throw him. It's been seven years since I read it, but if I recall correctly, not only was he slaughtering the Tuskens like mad, he was using the Force to throw their huts around. The imagination I came up with when I read that was something you would see in the game that was recently released, "The Force Unleashed." Anakin's Force Powers seemed very strong when he was using them in hate.

 

So when after we saw Anakin kill the Tuskens that were guarding the door and then took his attention towards the other Tuskens and the hate in his eyes when he decapitated the last one we see, the movie shifts to Yoda in meditation which caught me off-guard because I had read the novel first. After reading that part, I was looking forward to seeing it in the movie and it wasn't there.

 

I think it was done that way because of the children who were going to see the movie. That was a scene I was hoping if they filmed was in the deleted scenes in the DVD release.

[jrrtoken]

"See's ED's post count in a Star Wars related forum and scratches head"

In case you didn't get the memo, KotOR 2 was the best thing to happen to Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back.

[Adavardes]

In case you didn't get the memo, KotOR 2 was the best thing to happen to Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back.

 

QFT.

[The Doctor]

In case you didn't get the memo, KotOR 2 was the best thing to happen to Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back.

When you're right, you're right.

[adamqd]

In case you didn't get the memo, KotOR 2 was the best thing to happen to Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back.

 

Sorry it went to spam, and then I deleted it and /add ignored sender

[Q]

I'm still waiting for George to have a heartattack

That's a bit extreme, even for me. Given the subject matter, I believe that I have a more appropriate solution:

 

 

[CommanderQ]

That's a bit extreme, even for me. Given the subject matter, I believe that I have a more appropriate solution:

 

 

 

Heheehehehheh, that solution is a more appropriate one indeed:D

[Adavardes]

Sorry it went to spam, and then I deleted it and /add ignored sender

 

Ah, so you just ignored the fact that K2 was a brilliantly crafted peice of prose, dialogue, and character interaction embedded into a game with all the superior gameplay of KotOR without the horribly shallow character archtypes, dialogue choices, and plotline.

[Astrotoy7]

GL may indeed be average director, but his contribution to film making processes has and continues to be important. Many young and up and coming directors/artists will get opportunities to enter the industry due to advent of digital film making processes. His personal campaign for 'Day & Date' digital distribution, when realised will change the way we access films(as well as help curb piracy whilst aligning image fidelity standards(much like the Theater Alignment Program)

 

SW will be released in 1080p eventually, (and 3D), and that I hope he and Sam Jackson get around to making that movie about that WW2 fighter pilot squadron.

 

mtfbwya

[Q]

Heheehehehheh, that solution is a more appropriate one indeed:D

The LucasHaters will compensate Lucasfilm by relenquishing our demands for an unaltered, anamorphic-transfer BluRay version of the OT if he dies.

 

:dismissively waves hand:

 

Put him in.

[Jae Onasi]

In case you didn't get the memo, KotOR 2 was the best thing to happen to Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back.

 

And yet it does not have Jolee or Yoda, therefore it pales in comparison to ESB/ROTJ and K1, because Jolee and Yoda are made of win and greatness. K2 needed to lighten up a bit and not take itself quite so seriously.

 

George needs to a. not write screenplays and b. not direct. He's a tremendous editor and producer, has made huge strides in special effects (who would have thought of flicking white paint onto a dark background by running your thumb over a toothbrush to create a more realistic-looking starfield?) and has made an amazing impact on filmmaking in general. He sucks at directing and screenplay-writing, however. A decent screenplay writer and a good director would have gotten rid of Jar-Jar entirely (or minimized the role if George Said Jar-Jar Must Stay), kept Darth Maul alive 2 movies longer and gotten rid of Dooku altogether (Ray Park is a much better fighter on screen, let's face it), would have ditched the cheesy dialog between Anakin and Padme, and not have let Jackson phone in his part.

[Q]

And yet it does not have Jolee or Yoda, therefore it pales in comparison to ESB/ROTJ and K1, because Jolee and Yoda are made of win and greatness. K2 needed to lighten up a bit and not take itself quite so seriously.

I liked them both. KotOR1 for doing Star Wars better than the PT and KotOR2 for being as un-Star Warsy as something having anything to do with Star Wars can get.

 

And yes, KotOR2 did need to lighten up a bit. It was like Planescape: Torment in space, but IIRC PST had more than a couple of humorous moments to lighten the otherwise depressing mood. Not that KotOR2 didn't have these as well; it just needed more of them.

 

Anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about really needs to play Torment.

[Darth Avlectus]

I still to this day get chills when I see that scene. The music during that point of the movie was done perfectly. Hayden did a fantastic job with his expressions. I still love listening to the music and having Hayden just get up in a bitter rage and than just goes nuts on the Tuskens.

Yeah. I still sort of do. The chill and all. Probably closer to what normal people have.

 

However, since my mindset was different back then and I was much more prone to having wookiee adrenaline style rages, I'd say my initial reaction was more like this icy cold wet blanket with pins and needles. I dropped my drink and popcorn.

 

It has sort of changed over the years now. I'm much more in control now. So for me when I see it now, instead of being mortified at seeing, not Anakin but myself, in it, now I just see anakin and have just chills with a little tug at my memory for those times when my thoughts were less rational.

 

Now, I won't forget my first experience seeing that part while having major chills go up my spine because the guy sitting next to me said something that is cemented into my brain -- basically I always think of his quote when I saw that moment in Hayden's eyes: "Ohhhh... (bleep). He's going to (bleep) someone up."

I can't recall exactly what my uncle (who also played a few of the ewoks for ROTJ up in the northern CA redwoods) sitting next to me said but it was something similar to that if I do recall.

 

Now, granted I was assuming there was going to be more from the scene in terms of what was shown which was caused from reading the novel first. >>>>>The imagination I came up with when I read that was something you would see in the game that was recently released, "The Force Unleashed." Anakin's Force Powers seemed very strong when he was using them in hate.

Yes, I think that one's imagination can truly outdo anything any movie will ever come up with. Though games have admittedly come very close.

 

 

>>>>> I think it was done that way because of the children who were going to see the movie. That was a scene I was hoping if they filmed was in the deleted scenes in the DVD release.

I haven't gotten the DVD of the other 5 --if you can believe it. Bummer too.

 

Yeah, and I was actually hoping that GL would entertain on an alternate ending in ROTS like the PS2 game did. What would have been. <Sigh>

I mean considering how many movies were going in that direction anyway.

Filming loads of alternate scenes and making possibilities of alternate storylines. Like sort of interactive custom storylines for movies. It's part of what made the KOTOR series so great (just my opinion).

 

That's a bit extreme, even for me. Given the subject matter, I believe that I have a more appropriate solution:

 

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Oh that's bad!

--preserve george for a future generation?

 

<snip> and KotOR2 for being as un-Star Warsy as something having anything to do with Star Wars can get.

 

And yes, KotOR2 did need to lighten up a bit. It was like Planescape: Torment in space, but IIRC PST had more than a couple of humorous moments to lighten the otherwise depressing mood. Not that KotOR2 didn't have these as well; it just needed more of them.

 

Anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about really needs to play Torment.

 

Kotor 2 could just as easily be like a megaman or castlevania game. By some elements at least.

 

If you can ever get access to a mac, I'd invite you to play Odyssey: Legend of Nemesis (google it). HELL of a storyline, but rather somber and serious if I do say so. Kreia actually reminded me of nemesis in some ways, as did Sion remind me of N's grunt "Red". It's a value judgement how you play, however, it does not give any completely happy endings.--any more explanation and I'd be spoiling it. Basically, no hollywood--so it could end up being depressing. If you do get around to playing it, PM me 'cuz I know quite a bit that the walkthrough doesn't!!! It's between challenging and frustrating.

[Yar-El]

And yet it does not have Jolee or Yoda, therefore it pales in comparison to ESB/ROTJ and K1, because Jolee and Yoda are made of win and greatness. K2 needed to lighten up a bit and not take itself quite so seriously.

 

George needs to a. not write screenplays and b. not direct. He's a tremendous editor and producer, has made huge strides in special effects (who would have thought of flicking white paint onto a dark background by running your thumb over a toothbrush to create a more realistic-looking starfield?) and has made an amazing impact on filmmaking in general. He sucks at directing and screenplay-writing, however. A decent screenplay writer and a good director would have gotten rid of Jar-Jar entirely (or minimized the role if George Said Jar-Jar Must Stay), kept Darth Maul alive 2 movies longer and gotten rid of Dooku altogether (Ray Park is a much better fighter on screen, let's face it), would have ditched the cheesy dialog between Anakin and Padme, and not have let Jackson phone in his part.

I can't agree more without repeating; thus, I quoted your post to emphasis the point. George has created a massive empire, and we will all benefit from his advances in special effects and photography. Using primitive techniques to create special effects is being creative; thus, I can't and won't attack his ingenuity. He has hired some of the most inventive minds. Everything you said about his inabilities is dead on in my book.

[TKA-001]

kept Darth Maul alive 2 movies longer and gotten rid of Dooku altogether

This is ridiculous. If you had to choose between the two, why would you decide to keep the one with no actual character whatsoever?

 

I liked them both. KotOR1 for doing Star Wars better than the PT

You've got to be kidding. KOTOR 1 is the OT recycled (it not only has a plot twist comparable to ESB, but the same kind of plot twist as well). You can't mean to tell me that KOTOR's story was terribly original.

[Q]

KOTOR 1 is the OT recycled

Which is probably why I like it better than the PT.

You can't mean to tell me that KOTOR's story was terribly original.

I never said it was. It was one big Star Wars cliche, but I think Bioware did a good job on it regardless, especially when compared to some of their other games.

[Emperor Devon]

This is ridiculous. If you had to choose between the two, why would you decide to keep the one with no actual character whatsoever?

 

I think less was more with Maul. But he was a much cooler villain than Dooku was, anyways.

[RedHawke]

George needs to a. not write screenplays and b. not direct. (Removed parts I do agree with)

 

He sucks at directing and screenplay-writing, however. A decent screenplay writer and a good director would have gotten rid of Jar-Jar entirely (or minimized the role if George Said Jar-Jar Must Stay), kept Darth Maul alive 2 movies longer and gotten rid of Dooku altogether (Ray Park is a much better fighter on screen, let's face it), would have ditched the cheesy dialog between Anakin and Padme, and not have let Jackson phone in his part.

Wow Jae! Just wow! That's harsh...

 

Even the finest writer/director can't make a "winner" every time, while I myself don't hold George up as the finest of directors of all time, he is not by far the worst or even in the league of the worst of all time either.

 

As far as I saw Jar-Jar has a limited role in AotC and RotS, Dooku was just as good as Maul, and Maul served his purpose in TPM, kids new to that thing called love do indeed talk quite cheezily to one another, while it might grate on our old ears it really isn't that bad (and there is always the fast-forward button if it gets to you that much), the Jackson part I have no idea about.

[Shem]

George needs to a. not write screenplays and b. not direct. He's a tremendous editor and producer, has made huge strides in special effects (who would have thought of flicking white paint onto a dark background by running your thumb over a toothbrush to create a more realistic-looking starfield?) and has made an amazing impact on filmmaking in general. He sucks at directing and screenplay-writing, however. A decent screenplay writer and a good director would have gotten rid of Jar-Jar entirely (or minimized the role if George Said Jar-Jar Must Stay), kept Darth Maul alive 2 movies longer and gotten rid of Dooku altogether (Ray Park is a much better fighter on screen, let's face it), would have ditched the cheesy dialog between Anakin and Padme, and not have let Jackson phone in his part.

I'm wondering if you read my response to the whole Jar Jar thing and Anakin and Padme's cheesy dialog.

 

It's almost hard to believe, but TPM is almost 10-years-old (it will be May 19). Anyway, I still remember the standing ovation the theater gave when Obi-Wan Kenobi cut Darth Maul in half. Dooku seemed more of a character of independent character that Maul lacked to fulfill the role of being a Separatist leader. I don't think Maul had the character to be that type of a leader, which would have been complained about if that had happened.

 

Asajj Ventress in the Clone War series was the original idea for the Sith Lord to replace Maul (a female Sith with dual sabers almost made it in the movies), but was thrown out in place of Count Dooku who I believe was a great character to create (I love Christopher Lee's acting) for the role of being a leader of a Separatist movement.

[Adavardes]

I think less was more with Maul. But he was a much cooler villain than Dooku was, anyways.

 

If you're into the shallow, one-dimensional, unrealistic and cheesy villian. I, personally, expect my villian to have some sort of rationality, preferably one that makes sense, and, if seen in the proper perspective, would make him the hero of the story, and still make absolute sense.

 

Maul had a double bladed lightsaber. Be still my beating heart.

[TKA-001]

I don't think Maul was a bad villain (he served his purpose), but he doesn't compare to Dooku.

[adamqd]

Maul was a Blunt force Weapon, Dooku was wise Venerable Master, Maul understood his purpose, whereas Dooku's failure to do so resulted in his gruesome betrayal and death, so although I didn't like Mauls questionable make-up and lack of Dialogue, I respect him more as a Character.

[Andurilblade]

Maul was a weapon on two legs, whose purpose was to scared the snot outta Gunray when he was getting cold feet (flippers?) about invading Naboo and take care of any complications (aka Jedi.) Dooku appeared once Gunray was good and mad (not to mention in dutch with the rest of the galaxy) to massage his ego and smooth-talk everyone with battle droids into joining his little movement and starting a war. Palpatine knew what kind of tool he needed at what time, and he trained appropriately.

[Emperor Devon]

I, personally, expect my villian to have some sort of rationality preferably one that makes sense, and, if seen in the proper perspective, would make him the hero of the story, and still make absolute sense.

 

Which Dooku didn't have. I'm sure his motivations are expanded on in the EU, but all that's revealed in the movie is that he was a Jedi Master tricked by Palpatine into thinking that overthrowing the Republic was in the galaxy's best interests.

 

There's potential for depth there, but it was completely unrealized.

 

Maul had a double bladed lightsaber. Be still my beating heart.

 

I'd have liked Maul just as much if it was single-bladed. I thought he was a much more powerful, intimidating presence and simply better Sith Lord than Dooku was - who seemed more like a statesman that was given a lightsaber so AotC could have a duel in it and an excuse to start the Clone Wars with. He had a pivotal role in the plot, but there was nothing inherently worthwhile about his character. Having him cast aside like a rag doll at the start of RotS only reinforced this.

 

Keeping Maul around would've made for a strong, enduring trilogy-long villain. Having the secondary villain replaced in each movie made them all feel sporadic, not at all like serious threats, and woefully underdeveloped (Grievous was also lame).

[Andurilblade]

People, could we calm down a little? Please?

 

True, Dooku and Maul were not developed. But neither was Qui-Gon, or Shmi, or Apilania, or Panaka, or Dorme, or Typho, or Gunray, or Boss Nass, or Mace, or Poggle the Lesser...the story wasn't about them. They were there to carry the story; Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan were the story. We see snapshots of the lives of the secondary characters, glimpsing them as they are with no saga of how they came to be that way. But we stare intensely at the lives of the primary characters, watching their stories, their decisions, and their fates, with no secondary character blocking the view.