The years after TSL

[Darth Avlectus]

Well...when I joined here on LF in 2006 it was bacause of this segment of the KOTOR secion of LF. Now that SW:TOR has been announced and is in production...well, this thread was abuzz for a little while and then died down.

 

I am just trying to make some suppositional conversation. Specualtion. Good fun. Trying to breathe a little life back into this section... While plenty of interesting fanfic stuff has been made, I wanted to make it a little more of a democracy. Involve people. Their objective opinions. (Can be subjective if you back it up really well)

 

What do you speculate or imagine happens in the after years beyond TSL. I'm not talking about revan or the exile...I'm sure that will be covered in some way.

 

I just mean how do you think things and situations will fare. Why? Perhaps speculate on what you'd believe would lead up to the events that will unfold 300 years later...or even talking after that between that point and 3,000 years after Revan. Between SW:TOR and the turnpoint of Darth Bane.

 

Can be about specifics like planets, or groups like the exchange, etc.

 

For example, I believe the corporate identities will pick up steam in the wake of TSL and stand to make plenty of profit from the disasters and the wreckage the wars have left behind.

 

The Exchange will of course have a new leader, or several. It is a syndicate and they have several gangs under their thumb. I don't believe the organized galactic crime ring will ever go away.

 

The jedi order will resume with the Exile's crew and Bastilla...The Mandalorians will restrengthen and be as nomads (wall, that one is kind of easy to guess from what's given).

 

The republic will stagnate and fracture as predicted and be left all but dead for a time. Then it will reunite to restrengthen itself and go until the next challenge comes.

 

Just my ideas. I'l clarify or you can state your own.

[GreyJediMaster]

Hey, im new here, but beingn a massive kotor fan for years now, keep replaying kotor 2 for the joy of it, waiting for team gizka to finish the restoration which looks brilliant.

 

yeah you got some interesting ideas. i reckon the Genoharadan could be a major part of the mandolorians gaing strength again (btw i bet goto is a member, hes certainly got the character!) the Exile's crew will be found by Bastila as you said, but theres bound to be other jedi out there.

 

Seing how thw republic is so fragile, but the there is no threat from the mandolorians or the Sith (yet...) crime will come back like it always does, but because of planets like telos and Onderon, the republic will look again to the Jedi.

 

Surely Canderous/Mandalore will find Carth and Bastila and they three will form an alliance with the crew of the Ebon Hawk?

 

On the TOR website, the history says Revan never came back from the Unknown regions., i think this is terribly sad, but also realistic, the Sith have gotta win sometimes. but if they are more powerful than the god-like revan, surely the republic stands no chance? unless revan fell into darkness again?

 

im sure youre right, im sure revan and the exile will be dealt with somehow in the new mmo, wish they'd do kotor 2 some justice and make a third one though.

 

but look at the factions like this: Republic, Mandolorians, Exchange, Jedi, echani? (are they a faction?) regardless, all these factions have been battered by the actions of Revan and his leutenant the exile. If the true Sith are coming, surely they will unite?\

 

one last point, if there is to be a kotor 3, surely it could be a prequel? the story of what Revan found at Malachor at the end of the War, his relationship with the exile and why thr exile left?

 

interesting stuff! what do you think?

[Darth Avlectus]

Hey, im new here, but beingn a massive kotor fan for years now, keep replaying kotor 2 for the joy of it, waiting for team gizka to finish the restoration which looks brilliant.

 

To me looks little more than another stall out, but I won't get into that. I just suffice it to say "eventually it'll happen" since I have basically stopped counting down long ago and shrug it off.

 

yeah you got some interesting ideas. i reckon the Genoharadan could be a major part of the mandolorians gaing strength again (btw i bet goto is a member, hes certainly got the character!) the Exile's crew will be found by Bastila as you said, but theres bound to be other jedi out there.

As were there other sith. I don't remember exactly what was said for other force-sensitive factions. They existed, of course--items in the game are quite clearly evidence of that.

 

I'd imagine there is a band of Grey Jedi out there somewhere as well, disconnected from it all. The wars, the factions, republic and empire, jedi and sith.

 

Still, as we saw in TSL, even the Jedi and Sith alive were not sure of others' presences. Not sure if they lived or not. The one thing we do know is that the republic will lick its wounds and heal, the Sith would be preparing.

 

Seing how thw republic is so fragile, but the there is no threat from the mandolorians or the Sith (yet...) crime will come back like it always does, but because of planets like telos and Onderon, the republic will look again to the Jedi.

 

The Jedi:

Michal, Mira, Visas, Brianna (even if she did not join the exile), Juhani, Jolee, maybe Bao Dur--and of course Bastilla. They will be the foundation upon which the future order will be built. Not so sure about Atton, though.

 

Atton and Bao-Dur seemed wildcards.

 

Bao-Dur probably did something that will be prominent later. Exactly what, I can't be sure. Maybe loosely associated with the new Jedi.

 

Atton--would not surprise me if he wnet to become one of the most notorious scamsters the galaxy ever saw. Like he tried to be Jedi, but couldn't hack it with the Exile having gone. Or maybe he went with the Exile. I find it difficult to believe he'd be brushed aside like nothing.

 

So far as mandalorians, what we know are the givens:

-They were crusading against the republic

-History with Revan, initially

-Disbanded for a time thereafter

-Malak's defeat

-The new Mandalore reunited them (or at least began to)

-Still have no love for the republic

-Battle eager

-Far in the future, they will be a nomadic pack and decimated by the Jedi

 

Looked to me like even though they were basically reunited, there is still splinter cells of mandalorian bands. Packs of nomadic wanderers, straying. All of them have an itching bloodlust for battle. They all still have to make money. How better than mercenaries for hire? I'm not so sure they are on anyone's side but their own. They don't exactly like the republic, ever. However, their majority probably will grudgingly join it to fight the sith empire.

 

Surely Canderous/Mandalore will find Carth and Bastila and they three will form an alliance with the crew of the Ebon Hawk?

 

I forsee this: Mandalore and his band will sort of act as a stealth band. Whatever they do to help the republic will probably be in their own interest, ultimately. Or they may choose sith for the same reason. Whatever it takes to survive/prosper and whatever leads to another glorious battle. That much we can count on. I'm not entirely convinced the Madalorians aren't willing to deal in the exchange again. Canderous did it, albeit warily.

 

Bastila...mmm, well if you have not read the comic yet, please do so. I'll just endeavor to say that if there is an ancestor of Bastilla Shan's...either some other part of her family continued to propagate over time and the fiesty young lady eventually came to the Jedi in similar manner as Bastilla had centuries before. ...Or, something went on between Basty and Revan that we don't know about. (I would not be surprised if this were ambiguously left in the air for you to choose in the MMO!)

 

Carth will reassemble the republic in faith towards Revan's requests. Would not be surprised, though, if there is some legendary story telling.

 

Mission...She'd probably become a republic agent. Her tenacity...I'm sure she'd make some kind of impact. Carth probably employing her.

 

Zaalbar and the Wookiees: New age. Friendlier to the republic, vigilant and ready as ever for battle. Don't count them out just yet.

 

The bounty Hunter's guild: conspicuously has remained in the shadows. A wild card faction.

 

Exchange: Probably several groups. Warring like all the legionary gangs of organized crime. Like Mafia, Yakuza, russian mob, you name it. From wealthy to poor. Always looking to strike a deal. Black MArkets wil arise to compete as well--you'd be a fool not to believe that. Everyone for him/her self.

 

Militias of planet systems: some will be republic friendly, others not friendly, still others internally at war with itself. Others seduced by the Sith.

 

Droids...don't know...Well, actually HK-47 does manage to survive. He is still around and hidden by the time Palpatine's empire rises. (refer to wookieepedia) Still elusive even then. Maybe he will reappear some time in the Legacy period 130+ABY?

For TOR: Would not surprise me if the HK model series was of prolific availability.

 

On the TOR website, the history says Revan never came back from the Unknown regions., i think this is terribly sad, but also realistic, the Sith have gotta win sometimes.

 

True. Not sure what ever became of the exile in the canonical ending. However, the statues out in front of the Jedi Temple on coruscant surely were recognition of those two--I think. Looks like it, anyway.

 

I do believe that while Revan is never heard from again (possibly the exile, too), they had their schools of teaching. Revan's beyond the outer rim, Exile restarted the one in the galaxy, then went on and made one of her own and allied with Revan's. I don't think we've heard the last of them. They may be dead by the time TOR comes around, but I do not believe their teachings died out. Like there are followers of that martial lineage. Hidden from the Jedi republic and the Sith empire. Waiting for the right moment. Or something like that.

 

Like there was a feign to make the sith believe all was going as planned, but elusive from everyone else was another faction. Another element. However, only time will tell.

 

but if they are more powerful than the god-like revan, surely the republic stands no chance? unless revan fell into darkness again?

 

Could also be. There is any number of ways to interpret what all those visions in Kressh's tomb actually meant. Especially the one at the end.

 

I have considered that we may very well see Revan again in some form--more like something about Revan. Not sure about the Exile, though.

 

It's fairly open ended, so I'm sure most of even this revelation will be shrouded and ambiguous enough that whatever scraps remain which are uncovered, could be twisted any way to fit any scenario of multiple endings and stuff.

 

 

im sure youre right, im sure revan and the exile will be dealt with somehow in the new mmo, wish they'd do kotor 2 some justice and make a third one though.

You're not alone--regardless of MMO pro/anti/neutral.

 

but look at the factions like this: Republic, Mandolorians, Exchange, Jedi, echani? (are they a faction?) regardless, all these factions have been battered by the actions of Revan and his leutenant the exile. If the true Sith are coming, surely they will unite?\

Not uniformly. I'm sure Czerka and other companies will also have a stake. It will not be as clean a one would like (I should hope if it is to be a realistic believable story!), but rather a majority vs minority for every faction. That or apathy/neutrality. While the Sith are attempting to take over and rule, I'm sure some discontent, disgruntled, or otherwise unhappy elements will play a significant role one way or the other.

 

one last point, if there is to be a kotor 3, surely it could be a prequel? the story of what Revan found at Malachor at the end of the War, his relationship with the exile and why thr exile left?

 

interesting stuff! what do you think?

 

Maybe, or it could just simply not have a number, 3rd in line or prequel. Exactly what point I try to get across to modders writing stories. I might wonder if the prequel would be either that of the initial Revanchist crusade, or if it would go back 40 years to Exar Kun. According to the wiki: even though Sion was linked to the Exile by malachor, he was a sith marauder for Kun's empire. I had begun writing a back story for a fanfic about Darth Sion. I just have so many projects going at once I can't seem to churn them out.

[Sir Vougalot]

I've never really thought much about it. I assume that Revan will have gone out in a blaze of glory, giving his life as he battles the "true Sith." Bastila may sense his death, move on, find someone new and have a child (she has a confirmed decedent in The Old Republic lead-in comic series; and while most people assume that she must have reunited with Revan at some point, I've always believed otherwise).

[Darth Avlectus]

^^^That will be interesting to find out. Whether or not her descendant is only of Basty or if she is of Revan's bloodline also. Remember, Basty was still alive in TSL in either scenario. It is entirely possible she could have given up on being a Jedi for a while...possibly to raise a child? Or you could be right, and she found someone else after sensing Revan's fall, but that would need to be confirmed. I suspect we will find out the truth. In either case, Basty's descendant, I think will have some kind of shocking tragic revelation.

 

In the years after TSL, while I cannot see much going on past the improvement of the republic and the roles of the various factions, I would not rule out some new ones coming into play. Like a Casino and Gambling business, considering how popular that was in K1 and TSL, and given the fact Ord Mantell (well known by the time of the PT and the OT for having Casinos) is going to be in the MMO. Possibly of Exchange factions going legit-in fact for storyline that would make perfect sense. I have only Davik Kang's semi italian accent to his speech, but to me that implies that they are going to put a mafia sort of spin on something somewhere. Where better than Gambling just like all those mafia movie classics?

 

I guess between the years of TSL ending and TOR beginning, I wonder if NarShadda and the Hutts will continue to be the same situation. I'd bet Merchantry and Transportation would become hot professions hiring mercenaries for protection...unless the "mafia" does that already. That's what I see progressing anyway.

[Darth_Osmers]

as i do belive from wookieepedia for a while HK-47's Artificial intelligence was in a computer on a hammerhead class cruiser which crashed on Mustafar. for it was left for thousands of years untill the Seps found HK-47's Chassis,and studdied it and came up with the HK-77

droid which was just about to be mass produced when Darth Vader came along and killed all the Seps there, resulting in the droids never being fully functional.

But still what does happen to revan in unknown space? do the true sith kill him?

does he get stranded on an uninhabited planet? does his space craft malfunction (not the Ebon Hawk of course) and ends up drifting through space?

[Ping]

I've never really thought much about it. I assume that Revan will have gone out in a blaze of glory, giving his life as he battles the "true Sith." Bastila may sense his death, move on, find someone new and have a child (she has a confirmed decedent in The Old Republic lead-in comic series; and while most people assume that she must have reunited with Revan at some point, I've always believed otherwise).

 

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I actually have a theory that while Revan and The Exile did die fighting the True Sith, they must have wreaked alot of havoc, seeing how it took the True Sith 300 years to invade, and in TSL, it was implied that they were nearly ready to invade.

[Darth Avlectus]

as i do belive from wookieepedia for a while HK-47's Artificial intelligence was in a computer on a hammerhead class cruiser which crashed on Mustafar. for it was left for thousands of years untill the Seps found HK-47's Chassis,and studdied it and came up with the HK-77

droid which was just about to be mass produced when Darth Vader came along and killed all the Seps there, resulting in the droids never being fully functional.

But still what does happen to revan in unknown space? do the true sith kill him?

does he get stranded on an uninhabited planet? does his space craft malfunction (not the Ebon Hawk of course) and ends up drifting through space?

 

As for HK-47: Relevant article! From this, the following:

 

"Retirement" on Mustafar

 

Sometime during the thousands of years between then and the Galactic Civil War, HK-47's Artificial intelligence was transferred to a computer located in a Hammerhead-class cruiser. For unknown reasons the cruiser crashed on the volcanic Outer Rim planet Mustafar.

 

Thousands of years later a tectonic shift exposed the cruiser. When the Confederacy of Independent Systems arrived on Mustafar during the on-going Clone Wars, they discovered the wreckage and HK-47's chassis. Separatist scientists began studying design elements of HK-47 and incorporating them into their own technology, hoping to create new droid models that would help to defeat the Republic. The result was the new HK-77 model. Mass production was ready to begin when Darth Vader arrived on Mustafar and wiped out the Separatist leaders, bringing an end to the Clone Wars and the Separatist movement. HK-47's chassis, along with the rest of the new HK-77 models, were forgotten; and lay dormant after Vader and the Imperial forces left Mustafar.

 

Over 20 years later, c. 1.5 ABY, the terminal in the Hammerhead cruiser contacted a group of spacers. HK-47 instructed the spacers to invade the Kubaza Beetle Cavern and enable his AI to be transferred from the ship. Once they succeeded in doing so, he ordered them on another quest; this time, they were to enter an old research facility on Mustafar which was said to date back to the years of the Galactic Republic and restore the power. Though the group had to fight through much of the indigenous life of the planet as well as several battle droids, they eventually managed to complete their task. Terminal Delta Five, a computer in the newly powered Research Facility, immediately contacted the group and ordered them to enter the old Droid Factory on the planet and enter a six-digit code into the main terminal. Unfortunately, the code was scattered over three separate terminals which were only operational for ten seconds each. As soon as the group managed to enter the code, however, the Factory Guardian appeared, and attempted to kill them. Once they had dealt with this threat, they returned to the Old Research Facility where they received a message from HK-47, now integrated to a new body, similar to his former 4000-year old one.

 

HK-47 informed them that, although he appreciated their help for returning him to his body, he would have to get the factory back up and running to get some payback from those who had taken it from him. However, he was unsure as to who had taken it in the first place, and decided to simply kill any organics he came across, starting with the group of spacers who had helped him. The group managed to escape, however, and returned to the Mensix Mining Facility to speak with Milo Mensix, the foreman, and leader of the facility.

 

HK-47 assembled an army of AK-1A "Hammer", AK-3 "Reaper", GK-5 Sentry, and HK-77 droids in order to destroy all organics on Mustafar. The army attacked the Koseyet Mining Camp where they were met by several miners, as well as the spacers who had previously escaped from HK-47, starting the Battle of Koseyet. Though the droids attacked relentlessly, they were eventually defeated.

The group of spacers proceeded to the Droid Factory, attacking and destroying HK-58 Aurek, HK-58 Besh, HK-Taskmaster, CY-M Prototype and Doom Bringer before shutting the factory down. The spacers made their way to The Lava Crater at the Central Volcano to destroy HK-47. Though the spacers succeeded after a long battle against HK-47's elite droids, once they returned to Milo Mensix for their reward, they received a message from HK-47, explaining that he was, in fact, still alive. HK-47 admired the spacers' ability and in a sarcastic motion, awarded them with a decorative hologram of himself. The plaque at the hologram's base simply read "Meatbag."

I think he will reappear somewhere in the Legacy series of comics if not "sooner". (Timeline!)

 

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I actually have a theory that while Revan and The Exile did die fighting the True Sith, they must have wreaked alot of havoc, seeing how it took the True Sith 300 years to invade, and in TSL, it was implied that they were nearly ready to invade.

 

I'm going to have to ask you: Where is this implied, exactly??? (Cue to relevant reference.) Could all have been part of their ploy, as it does stand to reason.

 

I also never got the impression anywhere in TSL the true sith were "nearly about to attack" though it is left off in TSL that they still lurk in the shadows. I could have misread it, but I don't think so.

 

What we do know by the TOR preview is that it was all a deception and that they prepared for those 300 years. That would stand against your theory. Still I am interested to hear it.

 

From a tactical point of view, I suppose then it could have been a good time right then as there were no Jedi left anymore and the Galaxy was torn apart. So that is a good theory. Still, I'd like to know the connective part because that is a lot to deduce. I could see, yes, that Revan and the Exile might have caused quite a racket, but not that the True Sith were anywhere near about to invade--more unknown. Kreia could not see in either scenario (light or dark) that it was completely or nearly over with on either side, Jedi or Sith. "For each down, it seems another rises to take their place". An invasion at that point might only have culminated in a seemingly never ending war--only in this scenario seen as continuation from what Revan started instead of a grand invasion...or rather brought to light of public awareness, sooner since this is all essentially the same war, just took a 300 yr recess.

 

I Suppose that a "never ending" cycle of a war was an inevitability anyway, if looking back from the Darth Bane novels.

[Ping]

@GTA: I thought it was implied after you go to Onderon, as I seem to remember somebody saying that the True Sith were going to use Onderon as a staging point, so I guess that caused me to think that the Sith invasion was about to happen. I've also thought that the True Sith were the ones who damaged the Ebon Hawk at the start of the game, but now I'm sure that's wrong.

[Darth_Yuthura]

Quite frankly, I don't take anything that happens '300 years later' will be canon. I think that TOR is going to run into the ground and the third KOTOR will eventually be released. When it does, it will overtake all the events of TOR and become new canon.

 

I am not going to trash TOR for existing, so long as it doesn't infringe upon the story of KOTOR, which still has yet to be completed.

[Master Shake]

Quite frankly, I don't take anything that happens '300 years later' will be canon. I think that TOR is going to run into the ground and the third KOTOR will eventually be released. When it does, it will overtake all the events of TOR and become new canon.

 

I am not going to trash TOR for existing, so long as it doesn't infringe upon the story of KOTOR, which still has yet to be completed.

I agree.

[Darth Avlectus]

^^^Nice change, aqua teens kicks ass.

 

@GTA: I thought it was implied after you go to Onderon, as I seem to remember somebody saying that the True Sith were going to use Onderon as a staging point, so I guess that caused me to think that the Sith invasion was about to happen. I've also thought that the True Sith were the ones who damaged the Ebon Hawk at the start of the game, but now I'm sure that's wrong.

 

Well, soon as my computer is freed up from transport copying masses of music files by the GB from one portable HD to another for my DJ gig, I'll do a playthrough and check all the text at that point, but I think it is referring to Nihilus and his crew--he had a habit of remaining in the shadows yet lurking ominously.

 

Quite frankly, I don't take anything that happens '300 years later' will be canon. I think that TOR is going to run into the ground and the third KOTOR will eventually be released. When it does, it will overtake all the events of TOR and become new canon.

 

I am not going to trash TOR for existing, so long as it doesn't infringe upon the story of KOTOR, which still has yet to be completed.

 

I hope it won't, either. However I do have a feeling some of the more ambiguous TSL story parts will either be trampled, neglected (as in not done proper justice/lackluster resolution), or simply forgotten as some stuff was for K1. (Thanks LA! ) They'll probably pass it off as Kreia being loony and "don't take what she says at face value". (Credit to Tommycat for the quote! )

 

So far as what's connonized: I guess I could actually back that position. This story of TOR isn't really going to be as memorable from a "looking back" standpoint.

 

To citizens of the galaxy, to the historical significance, etc. and also a storyline perspective with respect to the overall timeline this was just another war and perhaps all stemming back from Revan and to a lesser degree, The Exile. It is more just a major free-for-all bedlam rather than based on the pivotal actions of an individual. The time for that is over.

 

Sure it will have its mark--don't think for a minute that it won't. By the time 1,000 BBY rolls around, the entire galaxy is a damn wreck and the war is all consuming. Long past its peak it's dragging on. The galaxy has grown tired on all sides. The only ones enthusiastic about it are those fighting it on the front lines.

 

While Path of Destruction and Rule of Two were made before significant considerations really got underway for TOR's storyline, if you really think about it you can't attatch much significance on the individual, can you?

 

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Now that I think about it, given Bao Dur's gift for machines and technical stuff, would it be too much of a stretch to speculate that he made some kind of Tech academy, or maybe an engineer scholar division of the Jedi Order? After all we do see where T-3 ends up. Agree or disagree?

 

HK-47, well we know what happened to him eventually. If you look in the KOTOR comics, there is HK-24 models running around here and there, so there must be several HK models even if unrelated to Revan's HK-47. Doubtless, though, HK-47 and his clones of 50's and 51's at least were mentioned in the canonized stories, so that more than likely developed into something.

 

Vossk in TSL was displeased with how the guild of bounty hunters fell apart. In the web comics there was a bounty hunter (looked rather mandalorian too ), so I suspect something came of Vossk and the guild. Vossk believed in its core principles.

 

The mandalorians: they are somewhat honor bound, and considering their future in the PT series. My guess is that through the years lots of them were nomadic, basically allies with each other, but wildcards overall. Many as bounty hunters, for sure. However, there does seem to be arguments as to where they actually went and what they really did.

 

The armor...for the mercenaries working with the sith, and for military for the republic looks eerily similar to clones trooppers. What do you all think?:

 

A) Mandalorians had something to do with it on both sides

B) Universal design considerations and no Mandalorian help

C) something else (state your thought)

 

Corporations and trade: This is a bit blank and could use a bit of development. If TOR is as full of story as is boasted, then what about this area?

[Lord Spitfire]

Here is my hypothesis:

 

Revan and the Exile go into the Unknown regions, and make a huge dent in the Sith's plans, considering they delayed their attack by 300 years. Meanwhile, the Exile's crew members rebuild the Jedi Order, and Carth Onasi rebuilds the Republic Military on a stronger foundation.

 

Canderous Ordo rebuilds the Mandalorian, and they are once again a force, yet nowhere near as strong as they were under Mandalore the Ultimate, but at least they are no longer rogue bandits; they are united again. However, Revan's orders to Canderous are forgotten through the generations and the Mandalorians once again resume their badass selfishness.

 

Telos and Onderon are restored to their former glory, due to the actions of the exile.

 

Then, the Sith come and own the Republic, but at the last second let them keep Coruscant so that the cannonical events of the next 3500 years can take place . . . and yeah, that's what I think.

[Darth Manus]

If they just wipe Revan and the Exile off the storyline, then it's going to suck balls. After all they've been through, all the battles they fought, the influence they had in their time, it would be incredibly lame to just have them suddenly disappear without a trace and never be heard from again.

[Master Shake]

If they just wipe Revan and the Exile off the storyline, then it's going to suck balls.

Revan and the Exile are the storyline.

[Gob]

If they just wipe Revan and the Exile off the storyline, then it's going to suck balls. After all they've been through, all the battles they fought, the influence they had in their time, it would be incredibly lame to just have them suddenly disappear without a trace and never be heard from again.

 

Obviously, they'd have to include some reference of the two. As long as we find out what happen to them, that's all that matters. I doubt they'll just throw Revan and X away without any mention of them.

[Darth Avlectus]

^^^Watch the initial preview of the sith invasion again. This time pay attention: If you look carefully at the statues outside the Jedi Temple on coruscant, the one on the right bears a resemblance to Revan. We're left to assume that the similar one on the left is The Exile.

 

Also, the symbolism: as that Sith badass is leaving the Temple going up in flames, the two statues are crumbling. Right there that *possibly* implies the fate of our beloved two.

 

 

Here is my hypothesis:

 

Revan and the Exile go into the Unknown regions, and make a huge dent in the Sith's plans, considering they delayed their attack by 300 years.

That's the theory, anyways. And a popular one at that.

 

Meanwhile, the Exile's crew members rebuild the Jedi Order, and Carth Onasi rebuilds the Republic Military on a stronger foundation.

Telos and Onderon are restored to their former glory, due to the actions of the exile.

Given, but yes.

 

Canderous Ordo rebuilds the Mandalorian, and they are once again a force, yet nowhere near as strong as they were under Mandalore the Ultimate, but at least they are no longer rogue bandits; they are united again. However, Revan's orders to Canderous are forgotten through the generations and the Mandalorians once again resume their badass selfishness.

 

Also, do not forget what Mandalore basically said if you choose to take him to the Sith Tomb on Dxun: The mandalorians may not have any great love for the repubic, however he knew how badly they came off joining the sith during Exar Kun's whole deal. So would that not imply that along the way, corruption occurred aside from forgetting their own history's important lessons? Just something to consider...

 

If they just wipe Revan and the Exile off the storyline, then it's going to suck balls. After all they've been through, all the battles they fought, the influence they had in their time, it would be incredibly lame to just have them suddenly disappear without a trace and never be heard from again.

 

I agree. So that begs a question: Why would they do that? What good reason would there be from both storyline AND fanbase perspectives?

There is not good reason if you think about it--too risky and moreover just not smart. Wouldn't you agree?

 

Personally I think they will have moved to distant memory and only be relevant now in terms of galactic history. However, that is pure speculation.

 

 

Revan and the Exile are the storyline.

QFT.

[alphagrim]

Really nice thread.Personally i didn't give much thought to the years after TSL and to what happened to the characters,probably because I still hope for a KOTOR 3.

[Darth Avlectus]

^^^I was actually hoping to generate a picture for *that* more than discuss SW:TOR. It just doesn't seem like there is much in the way of ideas for it, though. BTW, welcome to LF.

 

I do imagine there are some small incursions and insurgencies here and there. Not sure of anything noteworthy, though.

[DAWUSS]

^^^Watch the initial preview of the sith invasion again. This time pay attention: If you look carefully at the statues outside the Jedi Temple on coruscant, the one on the right bears a resemblance to Revan. We're left to assume that the similar one on the left is The Exile.

 

The high-res CGI one? IDK, both statues look the same to me - mirror images of each other flanking and facing the entrance hallway...

 

 

Anyway, I think what Revan and the Exile did was incite a civil war within the True Sith Empire - remember, the Mando Wars, as Kreia said and HK-47 implied, was a war meant to convert the Jedi Order. Revan was the charismatic and brilliant strategist, and the Exile herself was able to draw many followers, due to her inherent Force Bonding. Whether or not they instigated on opposite sides (Revan on one side, Exile as the other) I'm not sure about.

 

And again, this would also play into the "why no one can come along" role, considering what they were doing with people they were attaching themselves to.

 

While they may not have lived to see much of it, the factions could live on and the civil war could have lasted for a century or so.

[Darth Avlectus]

Well I guess you have a point there. Yeah, I was looking and I can't make out the faces, but still, their resemblances are a bit more than coincidental.

 

 

If Kreia and Sion hinted at what was to come, they had to have had at least glimpses of this empire, I'd think.

 

Another thought: if exile faced visions of the past and present, what is to say that vision of Revan wasn't the future? Like the millenia old Sith Emperor waited, biding his time and saw an opportunity to turn the two against each other? Maybe they ended each other?

[DAWUSS]

Another thought: if exile faced visions of the past and present, what is to say that vision of Revan wasn't the future? Like the millenia old Sith Emperor waited, biding his time and saw an opportunity to turn the two against each other? Maybe they ended each other?

 

That is a possibilty, and like I mentioned earlier:

 

Whether or not they instigated on opposite sides (Revan on one side, Exile as the other) I'm not sure about.

 

While they may not have lived to see much of it, the factions could live on and the civil war could have lasted for a century or so.

 

Maybe he could have played them both and had them draw massive armies behind them, keeping the Sith occupied while the Republic once again grew complacent, evident in how they were caught blindsided when the True Sith invaded.

[Darth Avlectus]

Hmm. Very good. With your help we seem to have stumbled upon this much:

Occupied, but to what extent? That is the question here. All this time, what *really* went on beyond the outer rim?

 

Were Revan and Exile causing havoc and trouble for the sith empire? Sure.

 

Trouble the ancient Emperor couldn't handle? I don't think so. I think it was all part of his master plan.

 

Analyzing:

Sacking of coruscant, The Sith Warrior:

For 300 years, we prepared, we grew stronger. While you rested in your cradle of power, believing your people were safe. You were trusted to lead the republic--but you were deceived. As our powers of the dark side have blinded you...You assumed no force could challenge you.

 

And now, finally, *we* have returned.

=====

You, were decieved. And now your republic, shall fall.

 

 

From a present, looking back view from there, my thought:

The emperor kept Revan and Exile's factions "on a treadmill", so to speak. To deceptively pit his own military against the factions of Revan and Exile which he also orchestrated; neither their sides, nor his own, aware of the greater scheme while in play, though mindful of eventualities that could arise. To have his military "prepare" for 300 years by fighting the best the republic could forge, permanently entrapped until their doom. All the while keeping an eye on the Republic.

 

Sinister and cunning...

 

They prepared:

His own military, the majority legitimately believing for the time being that they were under attack. Eventually only to see that war conclude and see it was all a part of the ancient master's plan.

 

They grew stronger:

With victory, as well as vision and revelation by their master to assure them, they grew in numbers, and their resolve at its strongest.

 

They Returned:

A complacent and dysfunctional Republic at a low point is the ideal time. They saw the opening and went for it.

 

What do you think?

[DAWUSS]

Hmm. Very good. With your help we seem to have stumbled upon this much:

Occupied, but to what extent? That is the question here. All this time, what *really* went on beyond the outer rim?

 

Were Revan and Exile causing havoc and trouble for the sith empire? Sure.

 

Trouble the ancient Emperor couldn't handle? I don't think so. I think it was all part of his master plan.

 

Analyzing:

 

 

 

From a present, looking back view from there, my thought:

The emperor kept Revan and Exile's factions "on a treadmill", so to speak. To deceptively pit his own military against the factions of Revan and Exile which he also orchestrated; neither their sides, nor his own, aware of the greater scheme while in play, though mindful of eventualities that could arise. To have his military "prepare" for 300 years by fighting the best the republic could forge, permanently entrapped until their doom. All the while keeping an eye on the Republic.

 

Sinister and cunning...

 

They prepared:

His own military, the majority legitimately believing for the time being that they were under attack. Eventually only to see that war conclude and see it was all a part of the ancient master's plan.

 

They grew stronger:

With victory, as well as vision and revelation by their master to assure them, they grew in numbers, and their resolve at its strongest.

 

They Returned:

A complacent and dysfunctional Republic at a low point is the ideal time. They saw the opening and went for it.

 

What do you think?

 

Also, Revan and the Exile also served as strong leaders, something the Sith needed to stay united. Each of these factions had someone holding them together, being defined and built by the conflict that was (this is sorta touching up on Kreia's "finding oneself [or lack thereof]").

 

At the same time, if it was entirely orchestrated by the Sith Emperor, I'm not sure how he would necessarily end the conflict, since he would have to somehow stay out of it or somehow play both sides like Darth Sidious. But even in his case (looking at it as purely a Republic-CIS conflict), the participants to both sides were detached to the whole conflict -- droids don't have emotions and the troopers were indoctrinated to the extreme to only be useful to the Republic/Empire. He (Sith Emperor) would either have to A) convince them at the external enemy (Republic) was going to attack them, or B) wipe one side out and lead remaining faction against the Republic.

 

 

Although, this third option popped in my head (as I type this post), being that Revan and the Exile ignited the civil war amongst the Sith to weaken them for a Republic invasion that would wipe them out (since the Republic would be rebuilt, and the Jedi Order reformed under a new set of teachings), but then the Sith Emperor managed to take control of the civil war, drawing it out long enough for the Republic to grow complacent, when he catches them unprepared.

 

He may have had to make his move rather early, since Revan and the Exile would have eventually returned to Republic space and had them make their move.

[JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan]

Michal, Mira, Visas, Brianna (even if she did not join the exile), Juhani, Jolee, maybe Bao Dur--and of course Bastilla. They will be the foundation upon which the future order will be built. Not so sure about Atton, though.

I dunno about Jolee and Juhani... they never even hinted at what happened to them after k1, and if they had survived Sion's assassination campaign. Hopefully the fact the Bastila survived hints that they may have survived too.

 

Brianna: She didnt have much to do with the canon female exile, other than a good conversation on Telos... what makes you think that she will become a jedi?

 

Atton and Bao-Dur seemed wildcards.

 

I wonder whats up with the fact that Kreia couldn't see Bao Dur's future...

 

Atton--would not surprise me if he wnet to become one of the most notorious scamsters the galaxy ever saw. Like he tried to be Jedi, but couldn't hack it with the Exile having gone. Or maybe he went with the Exile. I find it difficult to believe he'd be brushed aside like nothing.

I always had the feeling he would be part of the "Lost Jedi", and sit on the new council with the others.

 

I forsee this: Mandalore and his band will sort of act as a stealth band. Whatever they do to help the republic will probably be in their own interest, ultimately. Or they may choose sith for the same reason. Whatever it takes to survive/prosper and whatever leads to another glorious battle. That much we can count on. I'm not entirely convinced the Madalorians aren't willing to deal in the exchange again. Canderous did it, albeit warily.

I just saw a YT vid of Kreia's prophecies. This is what she said regarding Canderous:

Many battles does that one have left in him, as Revan intended. A general needs an army, as he needs those he trusts.

See the underlined bit? "A general needs an army..."

An army is used for war. That seems to imply that Revan intended to actually fight a war. Also, it makes you wonder what Kreia meant:

Perhaps you shall go there with him, and do battle at th end of all things

Sounds quite apocalyptic... Like, the end of the Star Wars universe...

Mission...She'd probably become a republic agent. Her tenacity...I'm sure she'd make some kind of impact. Carth probably employing her.

That's exactly what I thought would happen to her too.

True. Not sure what ever became of the exile in the canonical ending. However, the statues out in front of the Jedi Temple on coruscant surely were recognition of those two--I think. Looks like it, anyway.

Eh? Here's the front from the TOR "Deceived" trailer:

^ That just looks like random generic jedi to me...

I've never really thought much about it. I assume that Revan will have gone out in a blaze of glory, giving his life as he battles the "true Sith." Bastila may sense his death, move on, find someone new and have a child (she has a confirmed decedent in The Old Republic lead-in comic series; and while most people assume that she must have reunited with Revan at some point, I've always believed otherwise).

^^^That will be interesting to find out. Whether or not her descendant is only of Basty or if she is of Revan's bloodline also. Remember, Basty was still alive in TSL in either scenario. It is entirely possible she could have given up on being a Jedi for a while...possibly to raise a child? Or you could be right, and she found someone else after sensing Revan's fall, but that would need to be confirmed. I suspect we will find out the truth. In either case, Basty's descendant, I think will have some kind of shocking tragic revelation.

Its Revan. I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

... And you lot seem to forget they had an entire year to "propagate".

After all we do see where T-3 ends up. Agree or disagree?

AFAIK, he left with the Exile to find Revan... was there anything else?

Maybe he could have played them both and had them draw massive armies behind them, keeping the Sith occupied while the Republic once again grew complacent, evident in how they were caught blindsided when the True Sith invaded.

From a present, looking back view from there, my thought:

The emperor kept Revan and Exile's factions "on a treadmill", so to speak. To deceptively pit his own military against the factions of Revan and Exile which he also orchestrated; neither their sides, nor his own, aware of the greater scheme while in play, though mindful of eventualities that could arise. To have his military "prepare" for 300 years by fighting the best the republic could forge, permanently entrapped until their doom. All the while keeping an eye on the Republic.

 

Sinister and cunning...

 

They prepared:

His own military, the majority legitimately believing for the time being that they were under attack. Eventually only to see that war conclude and see it was all a part of the ancient master's plan.

 

They grew stronger:

With victory, as well as vision and revelation by their master to assure them, they grew in numbers, and their resolve at its strongest.

 

They Returned:

A complacent and dysfunctional Republic at a low point is the ideal time. They saw the opening and went for it.

 

What do you think?

At the same time, if it was entirely orchestrated by the Sith Emperor, I'm not sure how he would necessarily end the conflict, since he would have to somehow stay out of it or somehow play both sides like Darth Sidious. But even in his case (looking at it as purely a Republic-CIS conflict), the participants to both sides were detached to the whole conflict -- droids don't have emotions and the troopers were indoctrinated to the extreme to only be useful to the Republic/Empire. He (Sith Emperor) would either have to A) convince them at the external enemy (Republic) was going to attack them, or B) wipe one side out and lead remaining faction against the Republic.

 

 

Although, this third option popped in my head (as I type this post), being that Revan and the Exile ignited the civil war amongst the Sith to weaken them for a Republic invasion that would wipe them out (since the Republic would be rebuilt, and the Jedi Order reformed under a new set of teachings), but then the Sith Emperor managed to take control of the civil war, drawing it out long enough for the Republic to grow complacent, when he catches them unprepared.

 

He may have had to make his move rather early, since Revan and the Exile would have eventually returned to Republic space and had them make their move.

Personally, the civil war theory appeals to me, but i don't know about the Emperor playing the whole situation thing.

I would see something like Revan and Exile start a civil war that actually jeopardizes/poses a valid threat to the Sith Empire, creating a destabilizing and destructive machine that rolls on even after their own deaths, which is only vanquished about 100 years from TOR (100 years because the Sith Empire would need time to recover from the civil war, and then amass enough power to stage a war of their own).