Bush...... My President

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by Father Torque

Originally posted by SkinWalker

2) It was confirmed that Bush knew about the likelihood of attacks by terrorist hijaking airliners to collide with buildings prior to 9-11-01. Little was done to prevent or deter this.

 

 

Originally posted by Father Torque

He had no clue though that they would bomb the two towers. Yes we could have boosted security, and what not. But the tradjedy would have still occured. ... How do you know that he knew, it could have been a rumor, like many other political matters.

 

I recall an installment of 60 Minutes in which a key, but former, FBI agent was interviewed. I don't remember the agent's name, but it's possible this memo was his. Pay close attention to the agent's 8th observation... near the end of the paragraph. This of course isn't the only source, but it gives you the idea. There was also a press release, perhaps by Ashcroft, about what the various intellegence was regarding a possible attack.

 

Originally posted by Father Torque

And on the gas matter. Iraq is not a key supplier of oil right now.

 

True. They supply very little of our oil.

 

Originally posted by Father Torque

We are leaning on Texas for our oil suppy.

 

Not true. Texas oilfields are not nearly as productive as they once were. In fact, the only reason many of the wells are still in operation is because of recent innovations in drilling that allow driling horizontally across fissures.

 

Originally posted by Father Torque

We have many other allies that will help us with oil supply problems. We dont need Iraq's oil.

 

It's not their oil... it's the control of their oil sales. OPEC is about to switch to the Euro as a means to price oil.

http://www.forbes.com/home_asia/newswire/2003/03/06/rtr899062.html

 

This would have a profound effect upon the U.S. economy. It is also a motivation for controlling the Iraqi oil production as then they would surely hold to the dollar.

 

Insane: Your PM box is full.... Griff, yours was too

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by Father Torque

Ya as i said early and you re-quoted. ep2 you are a selfish brat who thinks about 2 people who joined the army to save people unlike you who is sitting where you are. Whining and complaining to a bunch of people who think you are an inmature selfish person. Your opinion isnt even fun to argue about. Why do you thin kthey joined the army ep. Maybe they would rather die for our country instead of moan about YOURSELF. They would rather think about ohhh i may get shot in the chest, but i know im gonna die a hero and a great american. They would rather save 6.4 BILLION people. And wh yare you wuurying about 2. you should be worrying about the 6.4 BILLION people who will die if this war doesnt happen. You got to reach beyond your own world and think about others. Think about all those family's that lost members in 9/11. They were killed by these horrible people. Who ar proud of it. Imagine what they will do next if we dont rid of them. Now if i were like you non-bush people, i would atleast come up with a good excuse why we shouldnt go to war instead of cheesy, random, and totally fake stories about his intellegence level. Also all you people that say Jesus said Thou shalt not kill in the bible, doesnt pretain to anything about this war. It is completely different. War is not murder and to those of you who thin kit is, go back to pre school, because alot of you are acting like 3 year olds. Face up to it, nothing is changing his opinion and nothing will. So why dont you support your friends and send them letters instead of whining about how they might die. If they saw you writing this stuff they would think you were a whimpy selfish person. If they think war is so bad, tell them to resign. Dont make decisions for them. They are deffinrtly more strong mentally than you will ever hope to be

 

-Father Torque

 

yeah father torque you're cool

how old are you? cuz i'm only 17, unable to join w/o parental consent, and i can tell you now, i wanna finish high school and my parents would NEVER co-sign for me to go in right now, i had planned on going in, still do, this war can/could have been avoided, i think i recall bush backing down from a debate w/sadaam? but he wants to kill him? hmm, interesting to me. you all call me a selfish brat who sits on my ass and complains, what the **** are YOU? everyone here complains about something, i complain about how people don't think everything through, i don't know what you guys complain about, don't care either, just so everyone knows that you do. how old is everyone here? you are hypocritical for saying alls i'm doing is sitting on my ass when i'm NOT ALLOWED to join and you are. one of my friends has call rights and the other can write letters, his mom JUST got a letter 2 days ago post-marked Feb. 11, we JUST found out his address or i woulda sent lots of them by now. how do you know what they'd think if they saw me writing this stuff? do you know them? what are their names? oh wait, you DON'T know SHlT about them so sit down and be quiet, they'd probably want all your addresses so they could beat the **** out of all of you who are so ready to send people you don't know to their deaths. you will NEVER EVER get rid of people who are proud to die for what they believe in, you'd have to wipe out entire countries to do that. revenge won't do anything for the families of 9/11, it will only create more sorrow in this country, because even MORE people will die and it will NOT bring anyone back from the dead, this war could have been avoided but they decided to do it, for reasons god only knows.

 

lots of you say "quit worrying about yourself you selfish brat" "our soldiers are brave" i agree that THEY are, but YOU are not, no one here has mentioned anything about joining the military except Ratmjedi and myself, and you have the nerve to support war and criticize those who don't want it when you'll be safe at home typing on your computer for the rest of your lives while others are dying for you so you can feel proud about being an american, you are all so stupid "you'd rather have your 2 friends live than 6.4 BILLION other people?" if we don't go to war, nobody in the military would die and we could resolve this by TALKING, and NOBODY would die, how does that sound? cuz you are all so ready to criticize that you don't ever think outside of the box, my friends are in the marines but so are many others (something around 74,000) and if they live cuz we don't go to war that means that the others will to cuz why? we WOULD'NT have gone to war, what's to say that when we win all these attacks on america will stop? what's to say that they don't hit harder because of it? one reason they attack us is because they don't like the way we interfere with other countries affairs, now i have a strong feeling it will only get worse, i am thinking about everyone, i'm not being selfish in any way, well, yes i am, i want americans to live so i'm a selfish brat:rolleyes:, think more before you type, go ahead and criticize me more, i'll only keep posting my opinions and feelings and you'll never change my mind, and your comments about calling me a brat cuz i complain about people might die are hypocritical, why can i not want people to die when you can all complain about games, parents, and other little things in life freely?

 

p.s.- you can't resign from the military when you're signed in for 4 years, that's the minimum that they HAVE to be in, they can only get out on medical now, shows that YOU know a LOT about the military huh :rollseyes: whoever said it, can't remember

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by XWING5

I am 27, in the Army (Airborne!), and many of my friends are already there or about to go. And I support the war, as do my friends who are there. As a soldier you accept the fact that you are putting your life on the line for the greater good, if you want to call it that. No one wants anyone to die, but we wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't to save many more lives in the future. We aren't "putting up with orders." In fact, the level of respect that soldiers have for GW as compared to clinton is amazing. And just so you know, the majority of our oil does not come from Iraq.

 

my friends are a paratrooper and heavy machinegunner, the paratrooper is in kuwait and the HM is in baghdad. first off, i support the military, i do NOT support the war though. second, i didn't say that iraq supplied the majority of our oil, i only said that instead of giving money to iraqi soldiers after the war to rebuild, bush or whoever is doing it, should use it to help their own country instead of the one we just beat the hell out of. good luck if you go over or if you are already over, make your friends and family happy by coming back alive. the opinion and views of military personell vs. civilian are and should be different. you guys are trained to kill and know that you might have to if told to, and you accept that you might die. it's in the job description, i support the people who are actually doing the dirty work and wish them all well, but i ABSOLUTELY HATE those who say "let's go kick their asses!" and sit around waiting for the BRAVE people to get their job done when they have every opportunity to join but choose not to "just cuz" or give some pathetic retarded reason, the real one: they don't wanna die or put up w/authority. i don't know what else to say w/o repeating myself so i'll stop now, good luck to you and your buddies.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by ep2 Anakin

... think more before you type,...

 

I think you both need to think before you type (and maybe hit the enter key once in while so the typing is easier to read ).

 

There's been a lot of name calling and foul language in this thread... I know we all can become heated, including myself, but that kind of thing does little for your side of a debate. Whichever side it is.

 

I don't really care so much whether people agree, I enjoy the debate, which is the point of the Senate Chambers. Debating an issue forces me to learn both sides of the issue. At times, particularly on intellectual issues, I even change my mind. There's a good part of me that sees reason and just cause to invade Iraq. It's the overwhelming opposition, globally and domestically, that makes me rethink it.

 

I propose that we all agree to remain civil for the remainder of the thread. I'd also ask that the mods not edit what has happened, but rather leave it as a monument to what we can become should we not adhere to the rules. The rules that preclude a poster from flaming and defeating the auto-censor with modified profanity. We can get what you mean with the "*" substituting letters.

 

I'd also ask that the mods issue any warnings they see fit, but not ban anyone based upon posts prior to this one. Emotions, at times, get the best of us all.

 

If I've offended anyone personally, please accept my apologies and PM me if you have a problem with something I say.

 

Now... like the android said, "please continue the petty bickering. I find it intriguing."

[Father Torque]

Hey ep2, im sorry about all the stuff i said. I know its hard for i was just stressing my opinion. I know you dont want them to die. I dont want to be on bad terms with people here. Also i have always wanted to join the army. But i cant. Im 12:( . Best wishes to your friend. I still think we should have war. But i dont want your friends to die.

 

My regards

Father Torque

[Weapon X]

sorry skinwalker i agree that some (lots actually) of the stuff i say isn't thought out in the least, but it's hard to get a point across on a computer, because it shows NO emotion, and i get really angry sometimes because it's as if people are only thinking of ways to further their status in society w/little regard for everyone else, and i got asked in earlier posts to hit enter, but sometimes i forget

 

my point is, this war didn't/doesn't have to come. it was avoidable. i think skinwalker said it: bush is trying to secure a place in history- that is completely true in my opinion, he has had hard times as president, but none of it justifies a war. also, people here who don't have anyone in the military and those who aren't in (that ARE of age) should have no right to say "let's go to war" because they refuse to put their lives on the line for their country they should have no say whether others do or not, their opinions are different than people like me. those who flame are just trying to belittle the ones they're flaming because they run out of comments to help their side of the argument, or they're just being childish and trying to make sure the person knows that they're an ******* or something like that. it's sad and funny at the same time, i know i've done it, but that doesn't mean that i don't wish i hadn't. hmm, war sucks, people will die, lots of sorrow will follow, and the possibility of suicide bombers hitting even harder will surely increase, then people will regret this war, no i only hope everyone makes smart decisions from now on

 

p.s.- skinwalker, how old are you, you are very knowledgable and can counter most anything people say, and you're not afraid to admit when wrong or agree w/what your opponent in a debate says

[Breton]

Originally posted by Father Torque

Now C'Jais. Im not being rude, but i would like to say shut the h*** up. Your being an uptight jerk. Everything that we Bush supporters say you always have some answer that half that time you make up as you go. Your saying all these bad points about my post and half of them are completely random and false

 

You see it all the time. People who aren't able to debate against something another one said, and therefore gets so angry that they start to flame. Get a grip on yourself.

 

BTW, if you didn't know already, C'jais is a moderator. Not smart to insult those.

 

And to Qui Gon i made a mistake. There are 300,000,000 million people in the US.

 

Actually, it's closer to 275,000,000

 

Also im not gonna sit here and listen to all youre negative bull crud C'Jais. Half of youre statistics have been proved wrong by the CIA website. Dont go thinking that all youre facts are correct because they arent correct.

 

What makes you think you know better?

 

This greta deppresion stuff you say affected the whole world is correct, but a trust worthy website states that the great depression barely affected France and many neighboring countries.

 

Understand that "Europe" does not mean "France". Im not too familiar with how the 1929 thing affected France, but I know that it affected Europe quite a lot.

 

Also JM Qui Gon you want evidence. How bout the tapes of Sadam killing innocent christians and 17 empty warheads.

 

Tapes of Saddam killing innocent christians? Sounds doubtful to me, at least the innocent part. About the empty warheads: They don't prove anything. But you may scource it.

 

Why is Tony Blaire supporting us. Because he knows what has happened with Sadam that most of you wouldnt even think of having happen.

 

No. He supports you because he's Bush's little pet dog.

 

Also C'Jais why are you saying that we say no ther country is good. I know of countries that have better things than we do, but i did not mention them, dont get me wrong, i think america is pretty crappy right now.

 

But a lot of Americans go boasting about on why USA is the best country in the world. Even though they mostly haven't lived in another country.

 

Also back to Qui Gons statement of the time period of Rome. The story of Romulus and Remus dates back to 745 BC. Then in 1495 the seljuk turks invaded and destroyed the last part of the 2 roman empires Constantinople.

 

But the greatness of Rome did not last thousands of years. Only some hundreds.

 

And Wui Gon again. We show trust to Bush, because he is a great man, of intellegence.

 

If he has intelligence, why don't he show it? Right now, he's acting like a monkey.

 

Do the math 1000-745 then the total +1495. You get somewhere around 1700.

 

Hehe, that's wrong, it's 745+1495=2240 years, not around 1700.

 

You said no one trusts america how do you know give me evidence.

 

I said no one trusts US intelligence. Just look at the "evidence" Powell presented for the SC, it was totally based in indications and suppositions, the weapon ispectors said themselves that it's rubbish.

 

You really gotta thin kabout your facts before you go blurting about how great and perfect your country is. i know you stated that thats not true but you keep on going on to the fact that it is perfect.

 

Oh, please quote me where I ever said my country's prefect. Oh, sorry, I forgot you can't, since I've never said it!

 

Imagine being a president you would pee in your pants if you had this tough decision.

 

Right. Just belive that.

 

Also i suggest that you guys read the bible becaus eyou obviously have a problem with trust.

 

The point is that I do not trust any of the two sides in this conflict, I trust neither Saddam or Bush in other words. trust the neutral ones who actually know things.

 

. And JM again you keep on saying that im immature, well if i am how come i can write this much about my opinion at the age 12.

 

I do have my theories on that, but they aren't really fit of telling.

 

Please send me a pic of your faces when you find out that Sadam does have weapons of mass destruction.

 

No one here has said that they don't have them. It's just that there is not enough reason to assume that he has.

 

And yes to the person who mentioned that this should be a bush supporters only thread. Look at the thread title. Bush my president. Not Bush yes or no.

 

But a one-side pro-Bush thread is practically propaganda in itself. If you won't see both sides in a case, your mind is easily going to be tricked.

 

And how come it seems that all you non bush people can never come up with a good arguement, you are always saying WHY WHY WHY. Cant you guys have a good counter arguement. Its like im getting feed back from a 7 year old. You always say. Where is the evidence, why dou you trust him, cant you state your opinion in a way that doesnt include the word where or why in every sentence.

 

We do have a lot of good arguments, it's just that you deny them. And a good deal of the questions are rhetorical, if you happen to know what that is. Rhetorical questions are real powerful in debates, but if you don't know what they are...

 

I dont know if its becaus eyou yourselves are to inmature to right write something worth reading or you just dont have the skill to write a political issue reply

 

Read our posts, alright? It's quite ironic that it's you who complains about not having the skill to write a political issure reply.

 

Please in the future non-bush people dont always come to the conclusion that we are lying . Because we arent and there would be no point.

 

Oh, Bush have lied. To his own people. Quite scary, don't you think? He said that Iraq isn't disarming, but we know they are, even the weapon inspectors says so in their report. It's scary that people rather trusts Bush's brain than facts.

 

Also stop saying that bush is stupid and dumb. You cant have these qualities and become a president. It doesnt work like that.

 

Remember who's Bush got for a dad. Shouldn't be too hard to get to be president then, eh?

[{BK}SupremePain]

Originally posted by SkinWalker

Obi-wan13 and I disagree (if memory serves correct) on the Iraq issue, but I didn't see anything "annoying" about his post. In spite of our disagreements, I have a large amount of respect for Obi because he doesn't stoop to the levels that some others tend to (including myself from time-to-time).

 

Obi-wan13 was right. The U.S. is a world power. We do have the right to be proud of our accomplishments. Most, if not all, nations of the world have made their mistakes in the past.... especially the U.S. and the U.K.

 

We've got to see past the nationalism, ethnocentrism and the emotion and see the logic.

i respect Obi too dont get me wrong he is wise and funny, but i get a strange feeling when that opinion on the war shows up, it must bug me so much becuase i am a person that is against war at any cost.... i dident have the right use of words there... sorry guys

[Reborn Outcast]

Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn

Tapes of Saddam killing innocent christians? Sounds doubtful to me, at least the innocent part. About the empty warheads: They don't prove anything. But you may scource it.

 

No tis hard to believe but its right. I'm not sure of a source on the internet but the History Channel was doing a 3 part series on Saddam and they had tapes of people (not sure if the were religious or not) being hung in the sqaures at public demonstrations. I don't know if he still does this because he is to busy hiding but it was done for a LONG time, ever since he became the ruler.

 

And wow, there is sooo much stuff here that I'm gojng to respond only to the things that caught my eye.

 

 

Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn

1. How can you know they have found enough evidence?

2. If they do have enough evidence, why don't they show it to other countries

 

There was an official CIA release that anyone can get on the internet about the amount of chemical weapons that Iraq had after the Gulf War or something. It was HUGE, enough to kill millions of people. To date, it is not known what happened to those weapons. I'll look up the report and try to get it to you.

 

 

Originally posted by ep2 Anakin

first off, i support the military, i do NOT support the war though.

 

And as your friends knew when they joined the military, they might have to go to war. They knew that when they joined, they made that choice. If you support the military then you should support them in any conflict that arises.

 

 

Originally posted by ep2 Anakin

you can't resign from the military when you're signed in for 4 years, that's the minimum that they HAVE to be in, they can only get out on medical now

 

Actually, (correct me if I'm wrong here), my cousin is going to graduate from West Point in May of this year. He then has to serve a minimum of 4 years of service. After that HE IS ALLOWED TO RETIRE as an officer. So yes, you are allowed to retire after 4 years I think.

 

 

Originally posted by SkinWalker

The United States of America is NOT at risk. Saddam has NO nuclear weapons. Even if he had couple, he would have no way to deliver it nor would he chance it. The same applies to the chemical weapons he is sure to have. If he utilized them, then the world would be justified in dealing with him. This should've been done the last times he used them, which weren't even during the last decade or two, but the world chose not to do so.

 

That is correct, the US is NOT at risk from Saddam himself, but the fact that we were able to be attacked by terrorists means that if any of his weapons get out to THEM, then the US is in danger.

 

Also, I am a firm Bush supporter but i think that he should be concentrating more on N. Korea. They pose the immediate threat to the US right now as they have nuclear weapons that can reach to the West Coast.

 

Originally posted by SkinWalker

4) The U.S. economy is tanking. Billions of dollars will have to be spent on a war with Iraq in addition to the billions already spent. Billions, if not trillions, of dollars will be needed to rebuild Iraq. European nations are not likely to pitch in if they don't agree to invade.

 

Well, if the war goes well and Saddam is either killed or ousted with minimal casualties, then the European countries will most likely want to pitch in. The question is then, will the Bush administration get over their pride of winning enough so that they will ALLOW the nations to do that.

 

 

Wow thats enought for today, to many posts here.

[ckcsaber]

Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn

If he has intelligence, why don't he show it? Right now, he's acting like a monkey.

 

Oh please:rolleyes:

[El Sitherino]

Ich mochte George Bush schlagen

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

Actually, (correct me if I'm wrong here), my cousin is going to graduate from West Point in May of this year. He then has to serve a minimum of 4 years of service. After that HE IS ALLOWED TO RETIRE as an officer. So yes, you are allowed to retire after 4 years I think.

 

but they HAVEN'T been IN for 4 years, they're both only completing the first in june, they have a long time to go, they CAN'T resign right now, in your post you didn't argue my point, you only supported it, i said they have a minnimum of 4 year service and you said that your cousin has a 4 year service minnimum, THEN he can retire, after 4 years, just what i said

[Breton]

I just have a question to all those who wants war in Iraq, the same question that the German foreign minister asked:

 

Warum jetzt?

[Reborn Outcast]

Originally posted by ep2 Anakin

but they HAVEN'T been IN for 4 years, they're both only completing the first in june, they have a long time to go, they CAN'T resign right now, in your post you didn't argue my point, you only supported it, i said they have a minnimum of 4 year service and you said that your cousin has a 4 year service minnimum, THEN he can retire, after 4 years, just what i said

 

Ah my bad. Your post was unclear to me.

[Darth Groovy]

BTW, if you didn't know already, C'jais is a moderator. Not smart to insult those.

 

Exactly. ep2 Anakin, I suggest you start exercising some civility in regards to your posting habbits, or you will find your self banned. I have seen enough already. Telling people to stfu, is not a good way to get your point across. Cussing out other members is a violation to the rules and you WILL be dealt with accordingly.

[obi]

Originally posted by Darth Groovy

Exactly. ep2 Anakin, I suggest you start exercising some civility in regards to your posting habbits, or you will find your self banned. I have seen enough already. Telling people to stfu, is not a good way to get your point across. Cussing out other members is a violation to the rules and you WILL be dealt with accordingly.

 

 

What he said.

 

Have a nice day.

[Breton]

Originally posted by Darth Groovy

Exactly. ep2 Anakin, I suggest you start exercising some civility in regards to your posting habbits, or you will find your self banned. I have seen enough already. Telling people to stfu, is not a good way to get your point across. Cussing out other members is a violation to the rules and you WILL be dealt with accordingly.

 

Eh...I was quoting FT's post, not ep2Anakin's...

 

Not that Anakin doesn't deserve a warning, but it seems a bit funny that you give public warning to ep2A and not to CagedCrado or FT. I mean, you'd think starting a racist thread is worse than cussing a bit.

[Darth Groovy]

Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn

Eh...I was quoting FT's post, not ep2Anakin's...

 

Not that Anakin doesn't deserve a warning, but it seems a bit funny that you give public warning to ep2A and not to CagedCrado or FT. I mean, you'd think starting a racist thread is worse than cussing a bit.

 

CagedCrado was already warned by another mod. We work as a team.

 

Wether I warn here, or in a PM is irrelavant. Every mod does things a different way. All that matters is that the member in question was warned. If a "public warning" embarrases a member, perhaps they should not break the rules to begin with.

 

It doesn't matter how much you measure one violation in regards to another one. Starting a "racist" thread is one kind of violation, and insulting members, or "flaming" is another violation. When violations to the rules are made, we act accordingly.

[Weapon X]

darth groovy

 

well what did you do to the people who called me a: crybaby, selfish brat, immature brat, and some other names i can't think of right now (just read their posts) they call me names for not wanting war and not wanting my friends or other americans to die, doesn't seem right to me, THEY should be the ones getting the warnings, i'm sure you've had moments wherein periods of heightened emotions you've let stuff come out that others didn't like. everyone has and there's no point in lying, so, if you ban me and no one else then you ARE singling me out for what reasons i don't know, and if that IS the case then you need to have your powers taken away because you are not exercising them accordingly to forum rules, not fair. this is a place of opinion and others will not listen unless you hit them hard w/SOMETHING that makes them think, which means, if somebody refuses to listen to what you're saying then it's actually a good thing to flame cuz i know when i'm getting cussed at i listen a lot more. i never told anyone to stfu, i said sit down and be quiet, but it's only after they said the same thing to me, why aren't THEY getting a public warning, i don't mind it, i just want to know that everyone here is getting the same treatment and you're not some war hungry guy who wants to punish all those who don't want war and this is the only way you can do it,

 

i am voicing my opinion and others flame me for it, and since there is no proof of warnings towards them it makes me wonder, make ALL warnings public so people know you ARE enforcing the rules and not just singling people out. now, since everyone has at least once said something they regret in a period of heightened emotions then why is it not forgivable? i'm not saying i regret saying anything on here, i feel that anyone ready to send my friends(or anyone for that matter) to their deaths w/NO proof of an immediate threat to the U.S. can go to hell, that's my opinion and i said that, being my opinion it was a generalization made in a response to a previous post and that person fell into that category, and i don't apologize for anything right now, because people refuse or are too young to join the military but want to go war so they can live their lives, think about the soldiers and their families, i used to love war and battles, but now that i actually think about things, i hate war, because it causes just as many problems (sometimes more) than it solves.

 

darth groovy, i don't apologize for anything, emotions play a LOT in these posts(especially with a topic like this) and if you don't understand that then i'm sorry for you, if you're going to give warnings make them ALL public so people know you are enforcing the rules fairly and not singling anyone out, cussing in a post and cussing out other members are completely different things, i don't remember cussing anyone out, but i could be wrong, it's late when i write these so i can forget, find me an example and prove me wrong, you can't can you? hmm, interesting, think more before you act, see heightened emotions- you didn't think before you typed and now you are wrong,

 

you'll probably ban for PROVING YOU WRONG but oh well, i guess it doesn't matter, if that's the way it's gonna be then i don't know why people would want to be here anyway, especially w/all the "france is gay" people, just cuz they are being smart and not pissing anyone off means that we need to boycott everything from and w/the name "french" or "france" or anything like that, soon we'll be a lonely country w/no friends cuz we're boycotting them and we still have 2-6 years of this, hmm, i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if bush DID get assassinated cuz he is NOT making smart decisions right now

 

so what about that groovy?

[wassup]

tainting the moderator =

 

This is getting out of hand...

 

Anyone up for some martini?

[ET Warrior]

Ummm, Anakin, perhaps you forget, but you came INTO this thread calling us rather harsh names even if we don't like war but think Bush is an okay guy. So how about you just, like, calm down and act your age?

[Darth Groovy]

Seems to me that alot of people in this thread (note I am not mentioning any names) are posting in this thread just to be arguing. I doubt that many of those people even remember what they were originally arguing about anymore.

 

ep2 Anakin, I have a girl I am in love with that is due to ship out this summer. We were planning to get married and have children, so please do not tell me, that I do not have strong feelings. What matters is that we think carefully before we voice our opinions. Also in a period of hightened emotion, yes people tend to think before they type, but that is what the edit feature is good for. And like it or not, it is OUR jobs to remind you good people when things have gone to far. When I see an abundance of name calling, and a half page of posts that contain **** in every other sentance, it especially draws my attention. ep2 Anakin, if somebody in this thread offends you, you can pm one of us, or simply click the report post button, it works the same way. Sorry if you feel singled out, but honestly if I would have pmed you, would you have read it? And I have been told that I can warn by either pm or by posting in the thread, so I am not out of line at this point. Now if the you folks don't get back to the topic, the thread will be closed next.

[acdcfanbill]

If i may, im going to lay down a few things. Firstly, in the real world, i know it suck and it happens to me, its never the first guy to do something wrong that gets into trouble. Its always the guy who retaliates, thats just the way it is right or wrong, thats usually what happens. Now, onto whether people should be warned in public or private, it doesnt matter. Its not something to get up tight over, no ones opinion of someone is going to change radically if they get warned in a thread, instead of a PM.

 

There are plenty of people at lfn who do not check their pm's and who dont have email notification on. To PM a warning to that user is a complete waste of time, since they may not get it for days or even ever. It is up to the mod to decide where to warn an individual, and if he or she feel's it best to warn publically, then every other mod would agree, we know each other and we know that we are all responcible enought to make decisions. If everyone on the forums were as rational as the mods are at most times, our jobs would almost be unneeded.

 

Now, that im done with that, i would appreciate it alot if this discussion could get back to the original topic before this thread reaches never never land.

 

 

bill

[C'jais]

Originally posted by SkinWalker

He makes no mention of the fact that Iraq will have to be occupied for many, many years by the United States.

 

Only for as long as it takes to pump out all the oil in that country.

 

After that, they're gone.

[Reborn Outcast]

Ok ep2 Anakin I'll answer your thing about your friends nicely.

 

They chose to join the military, correct? They knew that when they joined, there was always a possibility of them going to war, correct? You knew that as well. Now that war looks immenent, they can't turn away and run scared, they must face it, bravely. And they will to. Now, I don't agree with SOME aspects of this war but wanting the US not to go to war because of your friends is, well, in my opinion silly. Why would anyone join the military and then want to leave at the first sign of danger? They are doing what they wanted to do. Support them in their decision, they are protecting you far from there homeland. Now, they may not like this war at ALL but they knew that when they joined the Army, that it could happen. And they are probably proud to be there, knowing that some little girl or boy or adult will sleep better in the US knowing that they are keeping them safe.