Mace MacLeod Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Personally if these kids are stupid enough to do this, they need to learn somehow. Sadly it may take a few of them getting kidnapped and molested/raped to signal to them that "gee, maybe some of the things I do aren't such a grand idea.". Some people require dramatic events to spark them into common sense. Dude. Now, THAT one was over the line. There are some things that just aren't worth learning through trial and error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Exactly Myspace should be a restricted site imo. If you don't, horrible things will keep happening. There's no way you cans stop it, unless you do something about Myspace. Don't get me wrong, i LIKE myspace. I have my own space on it etc. But the 10 year old girls shouldn't, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Not really, but then again I really don't care. Personally if these kids are stupid enough to do this, they need to learn somehow. Sadly it may take a few of them getting kidnapped and molested/raped to signal to them that "gee, maybe some of the things I do aren't such a grand idea.". Some people require dramatic events to spark them into common sense. That's pretty cynical. Just because that will spark some sense into kids doesn't mean that's just how we should let it happen. I'm with Mace on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Not really, but then again I really don't care. Personally if these kids are stupid enough to do this, they need to learn somehow. Sadly it may take a few of them getting kidnapped and molested/raped to signal to them that "gee, maybe some of the things I do aren't such a grand idea.". Some people require dramatic events to spark them into common sense. If you wanted to spark some strong emotions with this post, you've achieved it admirably. If one of your family members or a good friend had one single moment where they exercised poor judgment (because all people do at least once in their lives) that put themselves in a dangerous situation that ended up causing them serious injury/death, I guarantee you would not be making such a cold statement. I'm sure you'd love to hear someone say to you when you're lying in the ICU after a bad car wreck "Gee, Sithy, maybe it wasn't such a grand idea to drive with both hands off the wheel." /sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 If you wanted to spark some strong emotions with this post, you've achieved it admirably. If one of your family members or a good friend had one single moment where they exercised poor judgment (because all people do at least once in their lives) that put themselves in a dangerous situation that ended up causing them serious injury/death, I guarantee you would not be making such a cold statement. I'm sure you'd love to hear someone say to you when you're lying in the ICU after a bad car wreck "Gee, Sithy, maybe it wasn't such a grand idea to drive with both hands off the wheel." [/sarcasm] I agree. I think that some will learn by seeing these girls get raped, but I don't think that we should let them be raped for examples. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 bah, times have changed. No sluttinated teens when I was young. Back then girls wore leg warmers and listened to Cindy Lauper As for the issue at hand. 3 words: Blame. The. Parents. If you are a responsible for a kid, you need to know what the heck theyre up too, not only when theyre out and about, but when online too. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Dude. Now, THAT one was over the line. There are some things that just aren't worth learning through trial and error. I never said I wish it to happen, simply that some people are too thick to learn until it does happen (perhaps they simply don't believe it's possible, only a horror story their parents tell them to "oppress their hawtness".). It's just like on the news. Parents hear about something happening to a kid and they panic and finally do what they need to do to protect their kid. Though often times they take it a little overboard. Seems you misunderstood my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I'm reminded of the recent story of the teenage boy who was lobbying Congress to protect kids on the internet. This genius became an internet pornstar before he was 16. The perverts taught him to set up a site and ways for them to pay him and then sent in requests. At no point in any interview with this kid or any news story I saw on this did I see any reporter ask him "It didn't at all seem wrong?". At no point in my life going back 30 years would I have ever done this. Internet or not some people are predisposed to stupid behavior and making stupid decisions. It's not the internet and the times. My grandmother is 85 and whenever a kid is kidnapped and someone goes on tv and says this never used to happen in the good ole days she'll say oh yes it did. There have been victims and people to prey on them since the beginning of time. I really don't understand children posting nude pictures of themselves. I also don't understand perverts that prey on them. To me they are both equally at fault. You can say if the pervert didn't kidnap these kids no crime is committed but we live in a dangerous world. I can walk around waving $1,000 and no decent person will decide to rob me. Why don't I? Because I know that everyone isn't decent and those that aren't are going to see an opportunity. It's how smart, careful people live their lives. Hell, it's how animals live their lives. You ever see the Discovery channel gazelle's graze in a pattern that protects the youngest and weakest. Those youngest and weakest know where to stay and do it. Now a young gazelle may wander out of the safer region it's the job of the older gazelle to straighten them out. This may be to simple an example comparing gazelles to human society but when I was a kid I was much more likely to get eaten by a lion than to purposely expose myself to that kind of danger. edit- oops I forgot to put that the closest lion is in the National Zoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I'm reminded of the recent story... This post is made of win and truth. I see a lot of this as nothing more than laziness, trying to pass the blame to an easy target, just like every other "issue" in history. Drugs, it was the black people (it changed ethnicity every few decades, but essentialy started with blacks). Pornography, it was the communists. AIDS, it was the gay people. Slutty teens, it's that god damn MySpace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTV2 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 ....Why don't we all just stop using MySpace. MySpace sucks ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Myspace is a place where I can express myself musically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Slutty teens, it's that god damn MySpace.I for one am not saying that MySpace is responsible for "corrupting" children. But damn, they could at least clean up some of the **** on their servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 @IS--I understood your post just fine, but what you wrote a few posts back and what I now see was your intent in the latest 2 posts are a bit different. The joys of written communication with absolutely no non-verbal cues to make things a little more clear.... bah, times have changed. No sluttinated teens when I was young. Back then girls wore leg warmers and listened to Cindy Lauper [flashback]Like, OMG, totally Rad. Fer sure, leg warmers are, like, totally tubular. Like, I have to go buy a case of Aquanet to, like, make my hair so totally Big because we're having this AWESOME Miami Vice party this Friday? But my mom is so not liking it, so she's, like, making me come home early? Barf me out. I am SO freaking out cause I found, like, the most awesome mini-skirt at the mall for the party. It is so totally rad. Like, Air Supply and Duran Duran are _way_ better than Cyndi Lauper? Cyndi--like, I'm so sure, gag me with a spoon!!!! OMG, it's Family Ties on TV! Fer sure, it's like, so the most awesome show ever! [/flashback] No, I never spoke Valley Girl. OK, maybe a little, but pretty much limited it to 'I'm so sure', 'awesome!' and 'barf me out'. As for the issue at hand. 3 words: Blame. The. Parents. If you are a responsible for a kid, you need to know what the heck theyre up too, not only when theyre out and about, but when online too. mtfbwya Here's my ranking (and yes, the acid is flowing, and no, it's not directed at anyone here): 1. The criminal. Without the crime, it's just a bunch of kids doing something really idiotic. But you, Mr. Pedophile, are old enough to know better. Keep your 'little man' in the pants where it belongs. Play with someone your own age or get counseling. 2. Parents. A little involvement in kids' lives goes a long way. We know how babies are made now. If you don't want the responsibility, don't be having them. There's no such thing as an 'oops' if you keep your pants on and your skirts down. Heaven forbid that we actually stop thinking about ourselves for more than 5 seconds and think about our kids' welfare. If we don't bother to take the time to teach them right from wrong, how the heck can we expect them to know it? It's not like it gets absorbed by osmosis out of a book. 3. The teens themselves. You do something dumb, you're usually going to have a dumb response. Most of you have parents who've raised you to act better than that. I know you've just figured out that those parts down there do some very interesting things and yeah, it's a lot of fun, but put your hormones in check because there really is more to life than a 10 minute romp in the bed. 4. Myspace--you're a liability suit just waiting for the right lawyer to come along. I think I'll go view some of the profiles, get really offended, complain, and when myspace doesn't do squat about it, I'll develop post-traumatic stress disorder at the assault on my senses. I'll hire a Johnny Cochran type to go after myspace for a bazillion bucks to pay for my treatment the rest of my disabled life. Maybe we'll do a class action suit if we find enough kids who've been raped as a result of predators finding them at that site. No, wait-scratch that last one. If we do a class-action, the lawyers will get the bazillion bucks and I'll get a $2 coupon to use for myspace souvenirs. 5. While we're at it, Society--how are kids supposed to act when all they see are slutty videos on MTV? When everyone's jumping in bed with everyone else on most of the TV shows and even when they have clothes on, they may as well have not bothered because it doesn't cover anything anyway? When you have songs that use the f-bomb more than regular words and glamorize raping women and popping off their enemies? When Howard Stern is considered an icon to be worshipped? When you can't even buy decent clothes for your girls because the clothing industry thinks all girls apparently have decided that it's their goal in life to look like raunchy streetwalkers? Where 'wardrobe malfunctions' are OK as long as they generate enough publicity (and dollars for record sales?)? Know what my kids watch on TV? TVland and Disney, because there aren't any shows that I consider 'decent' for my kids on prime time TV anymore. Know what we listen to? Nearly exclusively Christian music/stations and news, because at least there I know I'm not going to hear something obscene come out of the DJ's mouth because he figures the FCC's not going to come after him. OK, I'm done. At least for the moment. I need to quit ranting and go get lunch now--low blood sugar makes me really crabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hmmm. This discussion got me to thinking about my (not so) wee one over here so I did a little checking. Turns out she's been a bit sneakier than I thought. She knows that IE shows your surfing history with the touch of a button. She evidently does not know that Firefox has the same feature. Seems Firefox is the browser of choice when her parents aren't around. Gonna have to have a chat with her about this one. No chatrooms, myspace or porn, but...well, let's just say she's growing up. See, unlike these meathead parents that allow slutty dress/behaviour from their tweenie bimbo daughters, that s**t gets absolutely no traction here. I'm actually going to TALK to my kid about her behaviour and make sure she understands the boundaries I set (and in about 8 hours will tighten up significantly ). Neither my wife nor I have ever struck our kid, but I know if she ever gives attitude to her mother for "oppressing her hawtness"...oooo I wouldn't want to be in the room. @InsaneSith, I know you're weren't advocating anything happening to some kid, but c'mon man. Reality check time. @everyone: Yes there have always been sexual predators and slimy pederasts since the beginning of time, this internet invention allows a level of access to potential victims never before seen. Technology has evolved a lot faster than the law enforcement, legislation, and (it seems) common sense needed to properly deal with it. This is a problem that is unique to this generation of parents and children. *edit* Okay, my kid's been browsing tamer stuff than it looked like at first glance. (breathes into paper bag) Still just the thought of me mentioning it to her mother should ensure compliance with the going-to-be new internet rules in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hope it all works out, Mace. I have a few more years before the 'fun' really begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Neither my wife nor I have ever struck our kid, but I know if she ever gives attitude to her mother for "oppressing her hawtness"...oooo I wouldn't want to be in the room. Hey it works, the first time my Dad belted me I was 4 years old, needless to say I never again painted the side of the house with mud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Everybody seems to be missing something. Question: Why are teenagers not allowed to sign contracts, vote, get medical treatment on their own? Answer: Because they are not capable of making an informed decsion as adults are. Teenagers' brains are not fully developed. The prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that handles impulse control, becomes fully developed in the early 20's. That is why we need to have laws to protect teens from making foolish decisions that carry potentially disastrous consequences. It is also why we need to regulate websites that allow teens to make foolish decisions that carry potentially disastrous consequences. I firmly believe that parents must take responsibility for monitoring their children's behavior. I also firmly believe society must support those efforts and not make it easier for pedophiles to have access to our children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I don't have much to add, but it's amazing how little common sense there is in many parents and twice as many children. Ever notice that you have be 16 and have a licence to drive, but it's not so for having children? I have a few more years before the 'fun' really begin. The best way to go about it is to get a broken mouse when they're 13, when they start clicking like it'll get them a free box of puppies you know they're watching teh pr0n. You may wonder what the broken mouse is for, but when you want to quit the interweb fast a broken mouse really slows you down. <_< Don't give me that look. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hey it works, the first time my Dad belted me I was 4 years old, needless to say I never again painted the side of the house with mud. My wife and I were both raised with corporal punishment and we both swore we'd NEVER do that to our kid(s). To this day I have never found any circumstance where it was necessary to physically assault my kid. It's tempting sometimes, but parenting requires patience, empathy and common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 The best way to go about it is to get a broken mouse when they're 13, when they start clicking like it'll get them a free box of puppies you know they're watching teh pr0n. <_< Don't give me that look. >_> Or I just get NetNanny or some other software that tracks usage and where they're going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Everybody seems to be missing something. Question: Why are teenagers not allowed to sign contracts, vote, get medical treatment on their own? Answer: Because they are not capable of making an informed decsion as adults are. There's a big jump between not being capable of making and informed decision and "hey pervert send $20 to my Paypal account and I'll touch myself on camera for you." I say goodluck to all parents. I've seen with my sister's kids that you can teach them right from wrong from here to eternity and they'll go to school and one of their cool friends can undo everything you set up. Children are morons and adults are sick. The good thing about children is that one day they'll grow up and not be morons. Then they'll just be sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSR Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 no way do i think that parents hitting kids is right. i've experienced it on the recieving end, and needless to say it explains why me and my parents dont talk or live within 10 miles of eachother anymore. Sure, i guess a lil' slap on the wrist when youve been a right little sh*tbag is ok, but theres a line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 [flashback]Like, OMG, totally Rad. Fer sure, leg warmers are, like, totally tubular. Like, I have to go buy a case of Aquanet to, like, make my hair so totally Big because we're having this AWESOME Miami Vice party this Friday? But my mom is so not liking it, so she's, like, making me come home early? Barf me out. I am SO freaking out cause I found, like, the most awesome mini-skirt at the mall for the party. It is so totally rad. Like, Air Supply and Duran Duran are _way_ better than Cyndi Lauper? Cyndi--like, I'm so sure, gag me with a spoon!!!! OMG, it's Family Ties on TV! Fer sure, it's like, so the most awesome show ever! [/flashback] whoa...Jae! Check your diary for 1987. I think we went out for a few weeks, Im sure of it... I was that tall dark and handsome 12 year old all the girls called "Poncho" I looked like a young Eric Estrada lolz...jk of course mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I've seen with my sister's kids that you can teach them right from wrong from here to eternity and they'll go to school and one of their cool friends can undo everything you set up. This is why horror stories (you'll grow hair on your hands if you touch yourself!) don't work. Little Johnny and little Sally will then head to the schoolyard or their friends' houses and hear all about how someone's older brother/sister spends two hours a day in the bathroom yet their palms remain mysteriously follicle-free. Little Johnny and Sally then say to themselves "Gee, my parents have been bullsh*tting me for years! I wonder what else they've been lying about..." and all your credibility goes down the tubes. Here's the thing most modern parents don't seem to grasp: children need to be taught proper behaviour. They don't know what it is unless they're shown it. These impressionable little lumps of human clay need to be shaped, and if the parents don't do it, who will? Leaving them to the vagaries of popular culture to figure it out for themselves is why we have people suing rock bands for their ill-mannered brats' screwups and making the Janet Jackson split-second-boob-flash into a national crisis of hand-wringing and wailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 whoa...Jae! Check your diary for 1987. I think we went out for a few weeks, Im sure of it... I was that tall dark and handsome 12 year old all the girls called "Poncho" I looked like a young Eric Estrada lolz...jk of course mtfbwya I might have had one of those posters to go along with the Shaun Cassidy posters, most of which I got out of Tiger Beat. I loved CHiPs I only had 1 pair of legwarmers. No parachute pants for me, though. I was living in southern Missouri then, and 90+degree summer days (35 degree C) and 100% nylon just do not mix. @Mace--another thing I see alot is the 'Stop or I'll say Stop again' parents. You know, the ones who go: "Stop." "I said, Stop!" "Didn't you hear me? I said Stop!" "I mean it, you better Stop!" "If you don't Stop right now, you're going to be in big trouble." "I'm warning you, you better Stop Right Now!" "Stop, or I'll say Stop again!" Drives me absolutely crazy. If you (you in the generic sense) say you're going to do something, then you better follow through and do it or you've just lost all credibility. Now, you have to be really careful about what you choose to do as the consequence, and sometimes, it's going to come at darn inconvenient times, but that's a small price to pay for that credibility. I made the mistake of deciding to go shopping for a couple items before dinner. I thought we really needed those items. It was Christmastime, and the store was packed, and I wanted my daughter (who had just made it past toddlerhood successfully) sitting in the cart so I would know exactly where she was. She wanted to be a 'big girl' and walk. I told her if she didn't get in, we were leaving. She, Drama Queen that she is, decided to have a tantrum. I told her we were leaving, which made it even worse, and she developed 'spaghetti legs' when I tried to get her to stand up. So, here I am, at the entrance of Target, a million people looking on at a screaming preschooler and a frustrated mom, and I'm thinking "thank goodness there's nothing in this cart," among a few choice words that I had to hold in because I just had to choose 'leave the store' as the consequence. I picked her up, slung her over my hip like a sack of potatoes and walked out the door, hoping no one called the cops thinking I was kidnapping her. I got a couple stares, some sympathetic looks, and I think 1 grandma called out 'Good job, mom!' or something like that. It was a pain in the neck to do that, but she now knows without a doubt that if I warn her I'm going to do something, I'm going to follow through. So I suppose short term unpleasant experience, long term gain.... Kids need love, but they also need consistent parents and consistent rules to learn right and wrong. "palms remain mysteriously follicle free...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.