Teenage girls to be sterilized in Britain?

[DarthJebus05]

First off, most rapes are not about the sex, but power and domination. Rapists do not rape just for the sex.

 

Secondly, as asked before, why would a rapist care if they got girls pregnant? If they're raping someone, it's a pretty good bet they care very little for their victim's well-bring.

 

Thirdly, I have no idea what point you're trying to make with the STD reference. Again, sterilization is a contraceptive measure and has absolutely nothing to do with STDs.

 

Most rapes are about the power. Other rapes are just to satisfy a lonely man (or womens) sexual pleasure.

 

As for the pregnancy, what would you do if you found our someone is carrying your baby? Possibly babies? And if the police find out it was you who raped the girl, wouldn't you have to pay child support?

 

They would want to have unprotected sex, since they can't get pregnant, and what if their boyfriend has a STD? Thats what I'm trying to say.

[Rogue Nine]

Most rapes are about the power. Other rapes are just to satisfy a lonely man (or womens) sexual pleasure.

Right, but does that make them any more palatable? Rape is rape, no matter what reason it is conducted for.

 

As for the pregnancy, what would you do if you found our someone is carrying your baby? Possibly babies? And if the police find out it was you who raped the girl, wouldn't you have to pay child support?

I think child support will be the least of a rapist's worries if the police find out and can prove in a court of law that they committed the crime.

 

They would want to have unprotected sex, since they can't get pregnant, and what if their boyfriend has a STD? Thats what I'm trying to say.

I still don't understand what you're trying to get at. I thought we were talking about rape and now you bring up the teenage girls and their possibly infected boyfriends? You make no sense.

 

Your original point was that mandatory sterilization of teenage girls would increase unprotected rape. You have been asked to justify this hypothesis, yet you have not provided a logical, satisfactory explanation.

[Totenkopf]

Most rapes are about the power. Other rapes are just to satisfy a lonely man (or womens) sexual pleasure.

 

As for the pregnancy, what would you do if you found our someone is carrying your baby? Possibly babies? And if the police find out it was you who raped the girl, wouldn't you have to pay child support?

 

They would want to have unprotected sex, since they can't get pregnant, and what if their boyfriend has a STD? Thats what I'm trying to say.

 

 

Actually, in the case of rapes, I seriously doubt the rapist is remotely concerned about child support, all the more so if he ends up in prison. But remember.....he's a CRIMINAL, and they usually don't care about the legal nicities in the first place. As to the STD and boyfriend issue......how concerned is he that she might give him an STD as well? If he only cares about his pleasure, she's probably better off w/o him in the first place. She's the ultimate gate keeper, as long as she keeps it locked she can't get an infection (unless, naturally, he's also a rapist). Any girl/guy that puts themself in the position of contracting an STD either deserves it or should find themselves a less fickle and more responsible partner. After killing the the lout of course.

[DarthJebus05]

Right, but does that make them any more palatable? Rape is rape, no matter what reason it is conducted for.

 

 

I think child support will be the least of a rapist's worries if the police find out and can prove in a court of law that they committed the crime.

 

 

I still don't understand what you're trying to get at. I thought we were talking about rape and now you bring up the teenage girls and their possibly infected boyfriends? You make no sense.

 

Your original point was that mandatory sterilization of teenage girls would increase unprotected rape. You have been asked to justify this hypothesis, yet you have not provided a logical, satisfactory explanation.

 

Whatever, I know that you have a problem with me.

 

~snipped~ There's no need for that. --Jae

 

The poster above me understands,.

 

~snipped~

 

-Girl gets sterilized

-Girl has no fear of getting pregnant

-Girl and boy have unprotected sex

-Girl contracts STD

 

Why does the girl get a STD? Because she had unprotected sex because she was sterilized.

 

Keep it civil, please. --Jae

[Rogue Nine]

Oh, so this is a completely different point from the whole rape topic. Why didn't you just say so?

 

Whatever, I know that you have a problem with me.

I actually don't have a problem with you, I'm just trying to understand the rationale behind your points.

deleted responses to comments no longer in his post. --Jae

 

-Girl gets sterilized

-Girl has no fear of getting pregnant

-Girl and boy have unprotected sex

-Girl contracts STD

 

Why does the girl get a STD? Because she had unprotected sex because she was sterilized.

Again, sterilization is a contraceptive measure, NOT an anti-STD measure. It is meant to stop procreation, not sexually transmitted diseases and infections. Were girls forced to undergo mandatory sterilization, they would most likely be informed of this fact. Thus, it would be extremely unlikely for a girl to say "Oh, I'm sterilized, that means I can't get pregnant and catch STDs, so I'm going to have unprotected sex!" rendering your point rather unfounded. To assume that they would think sterilization gives them carte blanche to go around and have unprotected sex and not worry about STDs is ludicrous.

[DarthJebus05]

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have gotten agitated.

 

Thats what I've been meaning, even if girls are sterilized, they can still catch STD's. But if they can't get pregnant, they would want to have unprotected sex. As hormones can be more powerful the willpower. I remember reading a story about a girl and her 'sex buddy', the condom broke and she said "Doesn't matter, keep going". She caught a STD and almost died from it.

 

Again, I apologize.

[True_Avery]

Rapists don't usually think about how sterile a woman is before raping her. The smarter ones will douche or clean the girl if they didn't use a condom. And, even without getting the girl pregnant there are hundreds, if not thousands of different ways to catch rapists. Fluids, hairs, victim description, etc.

 

Also, not all rapists have STDs. STDs, despite popular belief, are not as common as you'd think. It isn't as simple as looking at a crowd of people and saying 1/4 of them have an STD. If the two people are smart, and know the signs, then they wont contract an STD. If someone has an STD, regardless of protection or not, it can still be passed on to the partner.

 

-Girl gets sterilized

-Girl has no fear of getting pregnant

-Girl and boy have unprotected sex

-Girl contracts STD

 

Why does the girl get a STD? Because she had unprotected sex because she was sterilized.

Yeah, because sterile girls are so much better at this sex thing. *rolls eyes*

 

Sterilization wont make nymphomaniacs out of the girls. It will make them sterile. Will that make them more open for sex? Possibly, and that depends on the girl in question. Any person that runs recklessly into sex, homosexual/straight, sterile/fertile, etc is asking for trouble regardless. The dangers of sex are not limited to the physical aspects, as the emotional connection and injuries created by sex can be just as harmful. I have seen plenty of people be ruined by sex without ever having a child or an STD.

 

Also, again, you seem to believe that STDs are just waiting for you to slip up to grab you. In order for your theory to be correct, the girls would be sterilized and then try and have sex with as many people as possible, and even then there is a chance of nobody ending up with an STD. There are girls that would do that, but the thing is... girls like that would sleep around regardless of being sterile or not.

 

Thats what I've been meaning, even if girls are sterilized, they can still catch STD's. But if they can't get pregnant, they would want to have unprotected sex. As hormones can be more powerful the willpower. I remember reading a story about a girl and her 'sex buddy', the condom broke and she said "Doesn't matter, keep going". She caught a STD and almost died from it.

Yep, because -all- girls are like that. Again, you are talking about a small group of girls who screw people whenever they get the inclination. In another word: morons.

 

So, she said keep on going? In my personal opinion she deserved what she got. Only a complete and utter idiot, regardless of being in the moment or not, would continue going after a condom breaks. It takes an even bigger idiot to not try and find out that your partner has an STD. I believe the system in which she threw herself into is called "Natural Selection".

 

Please don't put those of us with intelligence into the same league as the girls you are describing. Pregnancy is a risk of sex, but it is hardly the only reason people stay away from it.

 

Will people have sex more when they cannot get pregnant? Yeah. Look at married couples.

 

Will it lead them into a hellhole of STDs? If you live in Africa, yeah.

 

If I'm misinterpreting something, tell me and I'll correct it.

[Q]

Why sterilization? Why not some sort of hormone repression therapy?

 

Or how about we just snip the nerves to the genitalia of all kids and weld them back together when they turn 18?

[Totenkopf]

I didn't get the impression that the woman in the article was talking about permanent sterilization but probably more along the lines of what you suggest (think something along the lines of Norplant). As for the guys, I'm sure there's some drug that the pharmaceutical companies would be happy to develop if they haven't already.

[adamqd]

Every jurisdiction has its own laws so that is not case everywhere. Besides, as to the age of consent to sexual relationships it varies greatly from country to country (and I think in the US it's a state thing). Dunno how accurate it is but this page should give you an idea: http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

 

In Canada it can go as young as 12 yrs old if the other person is no more than 2yrs older.

 

I was speaking in relation to the Article, "Teenage girls to be sterilized in Britain",

not "Children to be made baron in South Carolina", people on this forum have a habit of taking a subject and running with it lol. but yes you are of course right in what you say, only I was talking specifically not generally.

[Bee Hoon]

*is amused, in a depressed way*

 

@DarthJebus05,

As Niner has repeatedly pointed out, rapists are not exactly worried about whether or not they spawn babies from the act. Besides that, not all girls are of the mindset 'BOINK UNTIL THE WORLD GOES UP IN FLAMES!'. Even if that were the case, wouldn't it better to tackle the problem at its root and calmly explain to said girls why it is not a good idea to do so? Ditto for boys.

 

@QLiveur, you try that and let us know how it goes;p Bear in mind that nerves...don't heal very well, to put it mildly.

[Ray Jones]

Rapists are in no way concerned about their victims. Otherwise they would not rape them in the first place, all along with the girl begging him to stop or something. DarthJebus05, you make it sound as if all girls would just wait to be raped, and as if both victim and rapist take themselves all time in this world to have a nice time together, eh. I think you should get your view on that matter straight asap, I mean I would in no way be surprised if the next thing you say is it's the women's fault when they get raped 'cause they wear skirts.

 

Also the primarily goal of safe sex is not contraception but protection against STDs of any kind, almost every condom advertisement is telling us that.

[Arcesious]

Well these problems will never be truly fixed until all of humanity learns common sense, which will never happen, but it's important that we try to help most of humanity learn common sense, even if it doesn't completely fix it, the effort will make problems like these better.

[Jae Onasi]

Well these problems will never be truly fixed until all of humanity learns common sense.

Define 'common sense' and how it can possibly be applied universally.

[Jvstice]

unless you're going to get draconian, you really can't do much other than mitigate the worst effects of problems like these. More education's always a good thing and would make a difference for most I think, but there are still people for whom it won't really change their behavior.

[Web Rider]

Well these problems will never be truly fixed until all of humanity learns common sense, which will never happen, but it's important that we try to help most of humanity learn common sense, even if it doesn't completely fix it, the effort will make problems like these better.

 

As Jae gets at, since "common sense" is not a universal standard, you(not YOU you, hypohtetical you) are either arguing for everyone to do what they feel is personally best, or you are arguing for everyone to adopt your common sense.

[Totenkopf]

While there are no doubt some aspects of "common sense" that may be rooted in culture (flashing the "peace sign" may be interpreted differently somewhere else), there are plenty of examples that are more universal. Granted, some degree of education is necessary (either theorhetical or via observation) to make an informed "common sensical" decision (water and electricity), but many things transcend cultures. For instance, don't wipe your arse with your bare hand and then eat something with it before cleaning that hand off. Don't just rip something out of someone's hand that's bigger than you (or even smaller) and not expect a bad reaction. Don't flash your cash/wealth while walking about in a poorly lit or crime ridden neighborhood. Don't have unprotected sex and think that there won't be any problems at all. There are no doubt a great many more examples, but I'll stop here.

[Jvstice]

I'd argue that there are places where you saying that some of those are common sense would be utterly astonishing to some people.

[Corinthian]

I don't see what the big problem with this is. If the girl is going to have sex, she's going to have sex. I can't imagine how anyone could be opposed to something that would reduce the abortion rate, the teen pregnancy rate, and reduce the rate of population growth - isn't just about everybody concerned about at least one of those? As long as the sterilization is safe and not permanent, I have no problem with it. Now, this very well may have some unintended side-effects, but assuming it's safe and effective, I see nothing wrong with it.

 

I mean, I'd prefer it wasn't necessary, but I gave up on members of the human race keeping their various organs in their pants years ago, this is the next best thing.

[PoiuyWired]

You mean, they are all dangling out now? Fortunately/unfortunately I cannot see that from where I am standing.

 

Well, it should be an option for the girls, but not something to be forced on them. I mean, there are side-effects to any chemicals we take, known or unknown.

[Corinthian]

Actually, this should be a decision the parents make, because as irresponsible as parents tend to be these days, teens are even worse. However, I agree it should be tested before it sees widespread use.

[Ctrl Alt Del]

How wrong does it sounds when it's forced on them? We sterilize dogs and cats and cows, why not humans too?

 

The whole concept is ridiculous and brutally murder my precepts of personal liberties.

 

Lets say you're a rapist. And you might get aids from a girl you rape. Would you rape without a condom? I know I wouldn't, and I'm not saying I will or ever rape, but if I forgot 'my' condom, I would leave the girl there and go find another one after I got the condom first.

I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the rapist.

[Totenkopf]

You'd probably have to be a pretty conscientious rapist to be worried about whether you'll be getting an std, especially given how "normal" people often proceed to have sex even if they don't have one anyway. I don't think a rapist is going to see a woman and then look in his wallet and go..."Damn, gotta get some condoms and wait for the next potential victim".

[swphreak]

-Girl gets sterilized

-Girl has no fear of getting pregnant

-Girl and boy have unprotected sex

-Girl contracts STD

Are you saying all boys have STDs, or are you assuming STDs appear out of then air when two people have sex?

 

 

 

Should teenage girls be "sterilized"? Yes and no. Yes, because teenagers are stupid. No, because I think that violates some basic human rights or something.

[Inyri]

Maybe he thinks STD's are created during a sex act. Seems clear to me he has no idea how the world works, which makes me wonder why people keep replying to his posts.