Anyone else excited for the new Clone Wars movie?

[Arcesious]

Not excited... No offense George, but this movie just seems too... childish, in comparison to the Almighty Six.

[El Sitherino]

Who cares what they're going for, Sitherino? It's a stupid idea for a plotline. The Hutts are gangsters. They have no battle fleet. If the Republic wants to move ships through Hutt Space, the best the Hutts can hope for is to scare them off with harsh language and body odor, and unfortunately, smell and sound don't really work that well in Space.

 

They control Tatooine and other systems.

 

Control.

 

It's the same as the police making truces with particular mobs in the 20's - 50's.

 

 

Not to mention with Palpatine taking rise to power, he'll stick to an old tradition. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. If the Hutt's feel secure with Republic forces they'll never suspect a take over in the future. It's probably how the Empire developed.

[Astor]

It's the same as the police making truces with particular mobs in the 20's - 50's.

 

To further add to that comparison, the US Navy used the New York families to patrol and police the Navy Yards in Brooklyn during the war, thanks to their control of the unions there. They were quite important in stopping Nazi agents from getting information.

 

It sounds similar to the plot of the film.

[Corinthian]

We're not talking about the NYPD, we're talking about the full force of the United States military. Sorry, but a bunch of mobsters really can't do much against an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank. Same way with a Hutt Warship going up against an Victory or Venator. If the Republic wants to go through Hutt Space, they can just go through Hutt Space. The Hutts have NEVER been shown to have any significant war fleet. Hell, they capitulated to the Yuuzhan Vong before the Yuuzhan Vong even turned their attention to Hutt Space.

 

Also, Tatooine is a pointless system. There's literally nothing there.

[El Sitherino]

too... childish,

 

Kids. Movie.

 

We're not talking about the NYPD, we're talking about the full force of the United States military. Sorry, but a bunch of mobsters really can't do much against an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank. Same way with a Hutt Warship going up against an Victory or Venator. If the Republic wants to go through Hutt Space, they can just go through Hutt Space.

Uh, no. Remember, they have limitations and restirctions. You're thinking the Empire. We're talking about strategic expansion.

 

Argue the subject or just stop posting.

 

 

Also, Tatooine is a pointless system. There's literally nothing there.

 

And what did the Republic turned Empire think of some particular planets? Alderaan, Yavin 4, etc. If you want to effectively rule a universe you must establish force at every reach.

Protip: Read Art of War.

[TKA-001]

And what did the Republic turned Empire think of some particular planets? Alderaan, Yavin 4, etc. If you want to effectively rule a universe you must establish force at every reach.

Alderaan was under the Empire's control because it was a major planet in the Core Worlds, and the only reason they knew Yavin even existed was because they found the Rebel base there.

 

they have limitations and restirctions. You're thinking the Empire. We're talking about strategic expansion.

So the gigantic fleets of the Empire materialized out of nowhere and the former Republic's was pitiful in comparison? Look at what happened to Xizor in Shadows of the Empire: his fleet got splattered across the landscape as soon as the Empire came after him. Yes, I know the Empire did possess an overall more powerful military than its predecessor, but there's not a fundamentally huge difference between them when compared to a criminal organization.

 

Same way with a Hutt Warship going up against an Victory or Venator.

Surely you jest. Victory-class Star Destroyers didn't exist in that timeline.

 

Ok, yes they did, since the Thrawn Trilogy says they were staples of the Republic Navy, along with Dreadnaughts and Carrack cruisers. My point, however, is that since the Thrawn Trilogy, the EU seems to have (with a few exceptions) forgotten that they exist. Now, it seems like the only ships that the Republic Navy used during the Clone Wars were Venator-class destroyers and Acclamator-class assault ships (corvettes and frigates? Who needs them?). Interestingly enough, every single one of those Acclamators and Venators disappeared immediately after the end of Episode III, and the new Imperator-class Star Destroyers replaced them, even though they were a new class by the end of the Clone Wars.

[Negative Sun]

The one thing I am curious about ...will there be an opening scroll.... going to see SW in the theatre wont be the same without an opening scroll!! I hope there is one

According to my latest copy of Empire magazine (heh, how fitting ) there isn't...sorry pal!

 

I agree with everything else you said though, it's SW and it's gonna kick a$$, the battle on Teth looks awesome...GL said so himself it's more aimed towards kids this time, whereas the new Live Action series will be for a more mature audience a la BSG or Firefly, so the "GL raped my childhood" crowd will have to show some more patience I'm afraid.

 

Besides, I though GL raped everyone's childhood by introducing us to Ewoks and Holiday Specials, so it hasn't been since '97 as some have claimed...

[Ravnas]

Meh, I'll just say that a kid's movie is not in my taste, sure I'll get dragged to see it by my brother-in-law, but I see no reason as to why I shouldn't be apprehensive about it.

[Corinthian]

"He who tries to defend everything defends nothing." Sun Tzu. Might be a paraphrase.

 

Also, the Empire had a rather limited presence on Tatooine.

 

I really don't see what you're getting at, putting Alderaan alongside Yavin IV, considering that Alderaan was a major world in both the Republic and the Empire, roughly on par with Corellia.

 

Since when did the Republic have limitations and restrictions? They've got the resources of an entire galaxy at their disposal. And keep in mind that at this stage, there isn't an appreciable difference between the Republic and the Empire other than that the Republic had a lot more Jedi.

 

Also, I AM arguing the subject, Sitherino. Drawing attention away from your flimsy arguments by obscuring the issue with THAT little gem really doesn't work.

[TKA-001]

more aimed towards kids this time, whereas the new Live Action series will be for a more mature audience a la BSG or Firefly, so the "GL raped my childhood" crowd will have to show some more patience I'm afraid.

I thought we already went through the "aimed toward kids" βμΓΓΣhιτ with the CW Animated series.

[Darth_Yuthura]

I'm seeing it first thing on Friday. The movie is going to be like episode III, but with more impressive animations rather than the extreme graphics of live action.

[Astrotoy7]

According to my latest copy of Empire magazine (heh, how fitting ) there isn't...sorry pal!...

 

bugger. Ah well, best I know now, It would have thrown me off a little had I found out when I was watching it. If it appears the film needs it, Im sure we could slip one in once its on DVD

 

mtfbwya

[Negative Sun]

I thought we already went through the "aimed toward kids" βμΓΓΣhιτ with the CW Animated series.

...of which this is a direct continuation, just using another form of media

[Astrotoy7]

~snip~

 

anyway, Im chuffed! Im going to see this in a couple of hours.

 

I've dragged myself from my sick bed simply because me missing a SW theatrical release on its (local) premiere date cannot be...it cannot I'm going to start an imaginary opening scroll in my head during the candy ads, in time for the first frame

 

It will go something like this

 

[align=center]THE CLONE WARS

 

It is a desperate time for the Republic.

War has erupted across the galaxy,

Many Jedi have been lost.

To counter this, the Jedi Council has

been forced to accelerate the training of many padawans,

Angering many fanboys in the process

This opening scroll is not endorsed by Lucasfilm Ltd

and is in no way Canon. Scroll ends here,

film starts now...now...now...[/align]

 

mtfbwya

[adamqd]

haha, quote worthy as always Astro, I'm not chuffed they've flogged the clone wars horse again but it will be awesome anyway cause it's Star Wars, and Star Wars is always good, even if if it does retconn stuff i also thought was good lol, bring it on!

[Astrotoy7]

oooh! I saw it I really enjoyed it Not better than E3, but definitely the best fun the Prequel Era has given us [/iMHO]

 

Well paced, no getting bogged down in ani padme emo moments(just very quick refs to it). Great action, in space and on land. Jabbas son is far from annoying or even unfathomable

 

Imagine 'The Incredibles' makin love with the SW universe... and you have CW !

 

Samuel L Jackson and Christopher Lee's voices were a great touch. The opening scroll exists...sorta...its an opening commentary now.. pretty well done.

 

seeing it again tmrw, jah

 

Really looking forward to the animated series now. Kudos to George for wanting to do something different. Very clever on his part too....too make the exact same story into a motion picture would've cost about $140 million more

 

'onya GL!

 

mtfbwya

[Corinthian]

Not better than E3? Well...considering what little there was at E3 this year...wait, are you talking about Episode 3, or the Electronic Entertainment Expo? If you're talking about Ep. 3 it might not be bad. E3, on the other hand, well, please use the vomit bags in front of you.

[Prime]

But you don't get a padawan immediately after being promoted to--bah, forget it, that's not the point.

Obi-wan and Yoda didn't get the memo.

 

The point is that they're giving Anakin a young, "hot", alien padawan in order to appeal to younger crowds, and it's just bloody awful.

So are you protesting that Anakin got a padawan at all, or that she is a young girl?

 

Anakin is already a whiny little brat; there's no need to have two of them running about.

Now that someone else has written the character, perhaps he won't be so offensive to you. Who knows.

 

The Hutts are gangsters. They have no battle fleet.

They control independent space and run an government (clan system) independent from the Republic. In that sense, they are a separate nation. And they do have warships, and posses some level military strength.

 

If the Republic wants to move ships through Hutt Space, the best the Hutts can hope for is to scare them off with harsh language and body odor, and unfortunately, smell and sound don't really work that well in Space.

Even if the didn't have overall military strength, their criminal influence alone could make life more painful for the Republic if they so chose, which is the last thing the Republic would want. Why not avoid that altogether?

 

Not excited... No offense George, but this movie just seems too... childish, in comparison to the Almighty Six.

 

We're not talking about the NYPD, we're talking about the full force of the United States military. Sorry, but a bunch of mobsters really can't do much against an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank.

By that logic NATO and American forces should have wrapped things up in Iraq and Afghanistan long go. Here in Canada we seem to get reports every day about a convoy getting bombed by the Taliban. It would be kind of nice if they had free passage.

 

Same way with a Hutt Warship going up against an Victory or Venator. If the Republic wants to go through Hutt Space, they can just go through Hutt Space.

Maybe, but the issue isn't that a Venator is going to lose to a Hutt Warship, its that you have to put one there in the first place. A Hutt warship is going to cause problems for unarmed/lightly armed convoy.

 

The Republic has finite and dwindling military resources, and it is not beneficial to divert those from the front to escort duty. Free passage through hyperspace routes is indeed a big advantage.

 

The Hutts have NEVER been shown to have any significant war fleet.

They have at various points, but in any event as we have seen in recent conflicts you don't necessarily need to be a military power to make life difficult for a superior force, especially if your goal is to make traveling around a ****ing nightmare.

 

So the gigantic fleets of the Empire materialized out of nowhere and the former Republic's was pitiful in comparison?

They materialized over a decade or two. Prior to the Clone Wars, the Republic had exactly zero standing armies, which is of course why they needed the GAR in the first place. They didn't go from zero to the 0 ABY levels in the three years of the Clone Wars. The Republic was very much pitiful by comparison to the full might of the Empire.

 

Look at what happened to Xizor in Shadows of the Empire: his fleet got splattered across the landscape as soon as the Empire came after him. Yes, I know the Empire did possess an overall more powerful military than its predecessor, but there's not a fundamentally huge difference between them when compared to a criminal organization.

Again, the Hutts are more comparable to a small nation than just a criminal organization operating within another nation.

 

Interestingly enough, every single one of those Acclamators and Venators disappeared immediately after the end of Episode III

Actually, both types of vessels were in use through the Galactic Civil War.

 

Isn't it great to have more SW to debate??

[Astrotoy7]

Almighty Prime. Do not waste your time with the unshakeably apathetic

 

Just go and see it, and give us your verdict

 

A golden rabbit to he who can pick out the EU nods

 

mtfbwya

[Soogz]

I will see it. I am debating go at 12 tonight, or just going tomorrow... I just want to see what happens to these new characters they are bringing about..

[TKA-001]

Again, the Hutts are more comparable to a small nation than just a criminal organization operating within another nation.

"Just" a criminal organization? Black Sun was stronger than the Hutts, and they were the same type of organization, anyway.

 

The Republic was very much pitiful by comparison to the full might of the Empire.

I'd like a source for that presumption.

 

Actually, both types of vessels were in use through the Galactic Civil War.

Any source other than Empire at War (wherein they only briefly appear pre-Battle of Yavin)?

[Sigundr]

I'd like to see the Republic vs. Empire. That would be an epic Star Wars space battle right there.

[JCarter426]

Obi-wan and Yoda didn't get the memo.

Again, not the point.

 

So are you protesting that Anakin got a padawan at all, or that she is a young girl?

I'm protesting her pointlessness in regards to the story, which is pointless enough on its own.

 

Now that someone else has written the character, perhaps he won't be so offensive to you. Who knows.

Doubtful, from what I've seen so far.

 

Also, I appear to have said a lot more than I remember saying.

[Astor]

Any source other than Empire at War (wherein they only briefly appear pre-Battle of Yavin)?

 

They appear in several issues of Star Wars: Rebellion, apparently.

 

I wouldn't class it as GCW, but they do appear in the Unifying Force, and on the cover of Dark Empire, implying they're still around.

 

But, other than those sources, they dont appear elsewhere that I know of.

[jonathan7]

Why is that? I've heard this a lot, but never really understood the reason...

 

a) She's never be mentioned before - I hate the continual changing and additions.

b) Really given Anakin's maturity why would you give him his own Padawan?

c) The general impression I had from most sources was Anakin was Obi-Wan's Padawan untill 2/3's of the way through the Clone Wars.

d) She's not mentioned in any of the films.

 

I'd like a source for that presumption.

 

Your kidding right? I mean I could sight Empire at War as a source - a Star Destroyers, is a hell of a lot bigger with an awful lot more men, fighters, defences and technology than a victory/ventator (which hint were still in the Empire Fleet - source again Empire at War for me) - and finally Super Star Destroyers and two frigging Death Stars - the Republic built what on its on intuition? Your trying to argue the Old Republic would have a chance in a war with the Empire? The only person making preposterous presuppositions around here is you.