Stream Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 That was kinda interesting. How many PM's did you get about that tk? --Stream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litofsky Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 So teekay, when do we get to have our fantasy? Uh-oh Inyrikins what have you and tk been up to? Anyways, on the downside, we're no longer pseudo-banned, but on the bright side, we still get to post in the Corner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 This place was a mistake in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Conservatives and liberals are not the issue, by far. My boyfriend is a conservative and I'm a liberal and not only do I actually like him (and his PS3 >.>) but I can have a calm, collected, and interesting discussion with him about his differing political opinions. Don't try to suggest that liberals and conservatives can't debate without resorting to slander tactics, because it isn't true. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. QFE. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stream Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 This place was a mistake in the first place. What makes you say that? --Stream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 This place was a mistake in the first place.No arguments here. I do find it all rather entertaining, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 This place was a mistake in the first place.I concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stream Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 So that's three people now saying that Kavar's was a mistake but not one has given a reason why they think that. For a moment lets forget everything that's happened here lately, I personally find it hard to see how a forum that's been going for two years or so and has 21,236 posts could be a mistake. --Stream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 In that case, I'll expand: There was already an existing "serious topic" forum that didn't suffer from rules being made up on the fly and applied haphazardly. My personal opinion is that 90% of "the problems" that exist in Kavar's are there because two separate sets of standards are trying to be applied simultaneously and sometimes they do not mix well. So that's why I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stream Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I personally don't believe that the rules here are made up on the fly. Sometimes as the topics change the rules have to adapt a little to keep things running as smoothly as possible which in a forum like this is hard to do. --Stream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I personally don't believe that the rules here are made up on the fly.That's fine. It's happening (or not happening) does not require your belief. I'm not going to drudge up PMs with the staff to prove my point. You asked me to expand and I expanded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I agreed with DI for a different reason, that being that nowhere on LucasForums are the flaws of LucasForums more painfully obvious than here. And I also decline to elaborate. It's "fun to watch, though. Like the Three Stooges with chainsaws." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litofsky Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Why are flaws painfully obvious here, Qliveur? I think Kavar's is a fine place to explore our ideals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Like I said, I won't elaborate. T'would be pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yar-El Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I was going to write a list of pros and cons for Kavar's Corner, but I just couldn't come up with a balanced ratio. Kavar's Corner looked good on papper, but it doesn't seem as though it was executed well. Some of the things that came to mind - 1 - People from other countries can see the differences between Republican and Democratic belief systems in the United States. 2 - People from other countries have to put up with conflicting Democratic and Republican views that are affecting another country. 3 - Everyone comes to LucasForums for gamming news, tips, and entertainment, but they are exposed to political arguments and debates. 4 - Star Wars Politics (fantasy) versus United States Politics (reality). Moral question: Should they be on the same forums? No. Star Wars may be reflective of historical events, but it is layered with a level of fantasy. People become involved with science-fition-fantasy to escape reality. 5 - Relates to #4 - People want to relax and escape everyday issues, so they come here to breath and have fun. 6 - Could conflicting political views splinter the forums? Yes. If we are opening threads up about the topic of bias opinions, there is a division already forming from the election chaos. 7 - Do people of another country have the right to interfer in issues that are not of their country? No/Yes. I find it aggravating when someone from another country says the United States is doing things the wrong way. Flip-side - I do like an outsiders opinion from time to time. 8 - Are we being fair to others? Do we have the right to argue or debate infront those who just want it to go away? Or, those who are not involved? I think there is a moral delema here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Some of the things that came to mind - 2 - People from other countries have to put up with conflicting Democratic and Republican views that are affecting another country. Equally so, there's an equal amount of non-us discussion - it's just because it's election season that it's overloading things. 3 - Everyone comes to LucasForums for gamming news, tips, and entertainment, but they are exposed to political arguments and debates. It's their choice to enter this board - it's not like they have to read this stuff, so I don't see how this is a problem. 5 - Relates to #4 - People want to relax and escape everyday issues, so they come here to breath and have fun. I enjoy listening to fellow gamer's opinions of what's going on in the world. It's another form of relaxation for many. 7 - Do people of another country have the right to interfer in issues that are not of their country? No/Yes. I find is aggravating when someone from another country says the United States is doing things the wrong way. Not everyone is going to agree - if it bothers people that much, we non-americans just won't bother posting anymore on things that don't concern us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yar-El Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Not everyone is going to agree - if it bothers people that much, we non-americans just won't bother posting anymore on things that don't concern us. But, you shouldn't have to be put into that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Equally so, there's an equal amount of non-us discussion - it's just because it's election season that it's overloading things. Isn't Canada having an election right now? I know their elections are nothing like US ones, but still, we could easily talk about that election instead. I enjoy listening to fellow gamer's opinions of what's going on in the world. It's another form of relaxation for many. I agree, the news rarely expresses what people think and I find that boards like this are a great way to find out what people think. Not everyone is going to agree - if it bothers people that much, we non-americans just won't bother posting anymore on things that don't concern us. I certainly don't mind, given of course you non-USians aren't going to get in a tiff if I criticize your country. Which so far you haven't, so I figure fair is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 But, you should have to be put into that position.Did you mistype something or is this just a really xenophobic comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 But, you should have to be put into that position. Eh? I don't understand this statement. Regardless I will criticize any and all nations who make errors with policy that effects the world, - be that Russian, Iranian, Chinese or American, and I will not allow the tyrants of the world to silence my protest regardless of where they come from. I am a freethinker, and as such will think freely and express my views freely, if your country makes mistakes I'll call them on it. I'm a Citizen of the World and well beyond the vain patriotism that causes so many wars and problems across the world. - If I criticize your country, tough, deal with it, and do what you can to improve it, if enough people try and change the world for the better it may just happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Eh? I don't understand this statement. Regardless I will criticize any and all nations who make errors with policy that effects the world, - be that Russian, Iranian, Chinese or American, and I will not allow the tyrants of the world to silence my protest regardless of where they come from. I am a freethinker, and as such will think freely and express my views freely, if your country makes mistakes I'll call them on it. I'm a Citizen of the World and well beyond the vain patriotism that causes so many wars and problems across the world. QFE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yar-El Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Did you mistype something or is this just a really xenophobic comment? Sorry! I messed up on the statement. But, you shouldn't have to be put into that position. Fixed. Eh? I don't understand this statement. Regardless I will criticize any and all nations who make errors with policy that effects the world, - be that Russian, Iranian, Chinese or American, and I will not allow the tyrants of the world to silence my protest regardless of where they come from. Thats is a big problem with Kavar's Corner. No individual in these forums should be put into a position where thay have to defend their country. That is not what this entertainment forums is about. It splinters the visitors into groups. If I have a conversation with fellow US citizens about high taxes, I shouldn't have to defend off critisism from a foreign visitor. Nor, should a foriegn visitor be put into a postion where they are forced to put up with the banter. We shouldn't have Americans versus Russians versus Italians versus etc... We also shouldn't have Christians versus Islams versus Budha versus etc... Anything that divides people into subgroups is not Star Warsish. I am a freethinker, and as such will think freely and express my views freely, if your country makes mistakes I'll call them on it. I'm a Citizen of the World and well beyond the vain patriotism that causes so many wars and problems across the world. - If I criticize your country, tough, deal with it, and do what you can to improve it, if enough people try and change the world for the better it may just happen... Join the club. However, this is not a question about loosing the freedom of speech. This is about creating a sense of unity and fun. LucasForums has a responsibility to promote freedom, but through the means of entertainment and light current events. Heavy politics and religion can easily splinter people into subgroups. LucasArts is about bringing people together. New slogon for LucasForums - "Bringing People Together!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 That is not what this entertainment forums is about. I'd say that this forum is less for entertainment, and more for serious discussion, as it says in the forum description. It splinters the visitors into groups. That's because everybody has different opinions. Go figure. If I have a conversation with fellow US citizens about high taxes, I shouldn't have to defend off critisism from a foreign visitor. Why not? They're just as much entitled to their opinion as you are. Anything that divides people into subgroups is not Star Warsish. Honestly? This forum isn't about Star Wars. It really isn't. It's about serious discussions on things that are happening in the real world. New slogon for LucasForums - "Bringing People Together!" _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan7 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 <snipped for brevity>New slogon for LucasForums - "Bringing People Together!" You could just decide not to visit Kavars if it upsets you that much to see people disagree with each other... I will go on record and say the Saudi Arabian government is one of the most evil and tyrannous regimes on the planet and all the western governments that support it because of its oil are selfish, hypocritical, vain and conceited, don't like that? Tough.... I'd suggest matters of unbiased logic would say my conclusion is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderWiggin Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I will go on record and say the Saudi Arabian government is one of the most evil and tyrannous regimes on the planet and all the western governments that support it because of its oil are selfish, hypocritical, vain and conceited, don't like that? Tough.... I'd suggest matters of unbiased logic would say my conclusion is correct. Just wanted to have this show up twice, to make sure everyone reads it. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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