Role Models

[The Doctor]

 

Love this man.

[EnderWiggin]

I would consider looking up to a famous philospher, but I think that an important thing to realize is that brilliant philosphers were fallible people too, and not everything they said is true for everyone. In other words, I beleive that a lot of the philosphies out there aren't universally true for every individual.

 

Wait, so you're saying nobody is perfect?

 

Oh my gosh, now I'm crushed.

 

_EW_

[jonathan7]

I would consider looking up to a famous philospher, but I think that an important thing to realize is that brilliant philosphers were fallible people too, and not everything they said is true for everyone. In other words, I beleive that a lot of the philosphies out there aren't universally true for every individual.

 

Which relative philosophy book told you that? If something is true, it's true regardless of if someone recognizes that or not. I can live by the philosophy that the Gnomes at the end of the garden will provide me with money so I won't work - that doesn't change the fact I'll be broke, or moved to an asylum.

[Arcesious]

In summary, yes.

 

I'm just agreeing with Salzella in post #4.

 

Edit: The philosphical concept that I don't really agree with is Neitzche's 'Overman' philosophy. The reason I don't agree with it is because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. If it made sense to me, maybe I'd agree with it.

[jrrtoken]

I can live by the philosophy that the Gnomes at the end of the garden will provide me with money so I won't work - that doesn't change the fact I'll be broke, or moved to an asylum.

True, but that gnome in particular peddles "deals" on choice hotels.

[jonathan7]

The philosphical concept that I don't really agree with is Neitzche's 'Overman' philosophy. The reason I don't agree with it is because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. If it made sense to me, maybe I'd agree with it.

 

Arc, could you refer me to which part of 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' you are struggling with? So we don't take this off topic please continue Nietzsche philosophy discussion here; http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?p=2585387#post2585387 - j7

[Samnmax221]

I would consider looking up to a famous philosopher, but I think that an important thing to realize is that brilliant philosophers were fallible people too, and not everything they said is true for everyone. In other words, I believe that a lot of the philosophies out there aren't universally true for every individual.

What you mean is you resisted the urge to what all the other trendy dbags do, right?

+Fixed spellings

[Jae Onasi]

Voltaire, did live a 'good' life, he stood up to those orcastrating the terror at the hight of it's atrocities; that takes guts.

Voltaire actually died in 1778 before the French Revolution got underway in 1789, and before La Terreur commenced in 1793. You might be thinking of Danton?

[jonathan7]

Voltaire actually died in 1778 before the French Revolution got underway in 1789, and before La Terreur commenced in 1793. You might be thinking of Danton?

 

Hmmm, no, not thinking of Danton, I'd never checked dates, Voltaire is famous for having fought for the lower classes, for civil rights and fair trials. And given some of the miscarriages of justice, and the threats he had received, I clearly had wrong thought it was during the revolution. I'm more a philosopher than historian

[Sabretooth]

Sabretooth and Arcesious, as far as I'm aware, the point of a role model is to take the positive, and I hardly think anyone defines role model as 'someone you want to be, foibles and all'. someone you want to be like, someone who inspires you perhaps. I find it hard to believe neither of you has anyone you look up to as an inspiration.

As much as I'm inspired by a good success story, I do not hold a single or a group of persons as my prime source of inspiration. If I took say, The Buddha (one of my most favourite humans ever), I'd ask myself "What would Buddha do?" when I'm in a rough and the answer would be: Buddha wouldn't get into this position in the first place, fool.

 

My point is, every second of existence is unique for an individual and is what makes the individual. Therefore, it is foolish to idolise someone. The persons I'd idolise haven't lived my life, they wouldn't know me or my parents or my friends, why should I look up to a stranger for inspiration? And even the people I know don't see the world I do, why should I look to them for inspiration either?

 

As for the earlier argument, note that I meant to include the word 'inadvertently'. Of course you don't beat up your mother and sister if you idolise Christian Bale (who is a pretty poor role model anyways). But you are so blinded by the shining awesomeness of your hero that even his darker acts are 'okay' in your subconsciousness. If your successful hero did it and remained the awesome hero he was, it must be good. Sorry, Mom.

[Jeff]

As for the earlier argument, note that I meant to include the word 'inadvertently'. Of course you don't beat up your mother and sister if you idolise Christian Bale (who is a pretty poor role model anyways). But you are so blinded by the shining awesomeness of your hero that even his darker acts are 'okay' in your subconsciousness. If your successful hero did it and remained the awesome hero he was, it must be good. Sorry, Mom.

Hey he was just having a bad day.

[Lynk Former]

This dude

 

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I can see why, Niner

[Rogue Nine]

Gandhi dun take no s*** from no suckas y'hear

[Samuel Dravis]

My parents are my role models, first and foremost. Their few faults (IMO, of course!) make their successes even better. There is no "me" without also a "them."

 

In addition, after reading some of the journals of Soren Kierkegaard, I'd consider him a role model - he does what he believes is right, no matter what the personal cost. He even broke off his engagement to the only woman he ever loved because he thought it was best. That's courage.

 

Lastly, I have had a couple of professors that made me think, "Wow, I really want to be like that." My political science instructor was the first - he taught me the facts, and then taught me how to deal with them. There was no "WRONG!"; only, "It's wrong because..."

 

The second professor was for philosophy. He, in addition to shaping a large part of my philosophical outlook, never considered a question too foolish or an answer too trivial. I owe him a debt of gratitude, and I would love to be similar to him if at all possible.

[Rev7]

Jesus

 

My Mom & Dad

[Astrotoy7]

Of course having a role model means you take inspiration from the positive words or deeds of others, as opposed to wanting to be like them exactly, or follow in their footsteps

 

Here's a few of mine, and why

*Mum and dad: for their unwavering dedication to family and committment to education

*Sister: Medical PhD at 23, you figure out the rest

*Mustafa Kemal Atatürk: British, Australian, Indian & New Zealand invaders had no business in our country in 1915. He saw to reminding them of this.

*Caesar Augustus: for literally and symbolically breaking Alexander's nose

*Leonardo Da Vinci: for scaring the pants off the pope with his faux dragon

*David Lynch & George Lucas: for sticking to their vision, and embracing new technologies.

*Lewis Carroll: for hiding a chess game in a cool book

*My boss: for supporting my long term ambitions

*Steven Gerrard: for being an unassuming superstar, and belonging to himself alone

*My cat, Astro Jr. : thinks Im the best human, evar.

and, special mention goes to>

*Tony Montana : for being the most quotable drug lord

*Prime and tk102 : for being calm, composed, and polite, in the face of the direst of rabble.

 

mtfbwya

[Salzella]

As much as I'm inspired by a good success story, I do not hold a single or a group of persons as my prime source of inspiration. If I took say, The Buddha (one of my most favourite humans ever), I'd ask myself "What would Buddha do?" when I'm in a rough and the answer would be: Buddha wouldn't get into this position in the first place, fool.

 

My point is, every second of existence is unique for an individual and is what makes the individual. Therefore, it is foolish to idolise someone. The persons I'd idolise haven't lived my life, they wouldn't know me or my parents or my friends, why should I look up to a stranger for inspiration? And even the people I know don't see the world I do, why should I look to them for inspiration either?

 

As for the earlier argument, note that I meant to include the word 'inadvertently'. Of course you don't beat up your mother and sister if you idolise Christian Bale (who is a pretty poor role model anyways). But you are so blinded by the shining awesomeness of your hero that even his darker acts are 'okay' in your subconsciousness. If your successful hero did it and remained the awesome hero he was, it must be good. Sorry, Mom.

 

I suspect you're misinterpreting me. the words you're using like 'idolise' or 'hero' are quite different to what, i at least, define as 'role model'. like for example some people have mentioned parents or close family - you wouldn't idolise them, but often people will look up to their parents, and be shaped by them, or take any sort of positive influence. no want to be them. it's that sort of relationship i mean by role model - someone you look up to and admire, and take inspiration from.

[Astrotoy7]

I suspect you're misinterpreting me...

 

Pay it no mind salzella. Human behavioural and speech development is based on imitation and adaptive modelling. Anyone who thinks they are totally independent of the influence of other human beings is simply unaware or disinterested, or using it as a coping strategy in reaction to being unable to affect influence on others in their personal or professional lives.

 

Others of course, make more direct connections, being able to associate the actions or words of specific individuals to a particular outlook or mode of their learnt behaviours.

 

For more info look up developmental psychology and cognitive sciences.

 

mtfbwya

[Salzella]

hah, too many syllables in those for me thanks ;D

[Bimmerman]

Ayrton Senna.

 

Triple world champion Formula 1 driver and noted philanthropist who, at the time of his death, had given over $400 Million of his own personal fortune to help children in his home country of Brazil. Truly a great man.