Tobias Reiper Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570445,00.html This is bad, very bad. A man showed his kids hardcore pr0nz, in an attempt to teach his kids about sex, you know what? Double Facepalm. :ugh: His wife wants him in jail, and rightfully so! I especially do not like this man, because I'm a Texan, and I know that this is just going to reinforce all the stereotypes about Texans being a bunch of retarded redneck incest cowboys, only nao, we show pronz to kids as well. Thoughts on this matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 geeze...what a moron...and what an even more moronic law. I would think they could have charged him with something...contributing to the delinquency of a minor..or found some loophole in the statute...but obviously not. Maybe the ex can go to the divorce judge and get said judge to do something such as making it so his visits have to be supervised or something...if it was me I'd haul his butt back into family court and attempt to get full custody of my children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570445,00.html This is bad, very bad. A man showed his kids hardcore pr0nz, in an attempt to teach his kids about sex, you know what? Double Facepalm. :ugh: His wife wants him in jail, and rightfully so! Yeah, really man. I mean the stuff they show on HBO is more 'suitable' for this type of thing...though educational videos would actually be the best. I especially do not like this man, because I'm a Texan, I thought you said you were a floridian? Well, whatever, I'm back and forth all the time between NV and CA. and I know that this is just going to reinforce all the stereotypes about Texans being a bunch of retarded redneck incest cowboys, only nao, we show pronz to kids as well. Thoughts on this matter? Well, I won't make such hasty generalizations when serious, but I agree...some people (Like my friend vanir) are going to say this is just another trait to chalk up to "Yanksville". No, I don't think jail--I think maybe he should be stuck in a tight alleyway and forced to to do a reenactment of Spain's bull run. If he survives he'll have to live with his injuries and pay for them himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockhead Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Thoughts on this matter? How could anyone think this was a good idea. It's illegal in many places for one thing and should be illegal in Texas as well, it's morally bankrupt, because his daughters didn't want to watch it; they were forced to, that would count as child abuse. What else could be constued there? Incest? Attempt to lure them into kiddy porn? I'd probably be angry if the whole thing wasn't so out there. Maybe pity is the appropriate term, that this man is so lacking in mental capacity that he would do this. And for the government to basically be forced to allow a pass because of the laws that permit this sort of thing? No, there are no words to describe this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 That's one seriously f'ked up dude right there.... I can't say anything but wow. I can see it as an attempt to teach a kid about sex, but still! That's way over the line, I want this guy's mental state to be eval'ed, would be interesting to see what it comes up as.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 It's illegal in many places for one thing and should be illegal in Texas as well, Have not been to Texas since '01. However, I do believe there are decency laws for such things. Maybe I'm off my hinges...Certainly the mods and fellow forumites from Texas could chime in on this? (I'm trying to defend the good name of your state!) I'd probably be angry if the whole thing wasn't so out there. No, you can be angry if you want, just direct it constructively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockhead Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 He did the wrong thing, there's no question of that. And the laws that state he was allowed to do this, it's less a case of anger and more a case of... I mean any person could see that any plusses in doing this were far far outweighed by the negatives. I don't want to be unfair to the guy but he could get a role on My Name is Earl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-96 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 My wife and I have three children. When it came time to have the talk about sex, we took it as our personal responsibility to educate our children about sex. We didn't use videos, diagrams or books. We took the time to sit down with them, explain and then answer any questions they had. The guy in Texas went too far with forcing his daughters to watch porn. Whatever good intentions he had was lost in the method in which he chose to convey them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiser_Cain Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 This isn't all that shocking to me. Though I did grow up weird so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Reiper Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 I thought you said you were a floridian? Well, whatever, I'm back and forth all the time between NV and CA. Wait, wut? When? Actually, if I said that, I was probably drunk at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I dont get why they dont define 'hardcore', damn journalists. My first exposure to pornography was when I was 5 - I found a magazine hidden in the boot of my dad's car. I remember it very clearly, it was 'sorta' hardcore, but not hair raising - either that or I was just a very worldly 5 year old Still, I told my mum - poor dad had hell to pay for the next couple of months. Said magazine was thrown in the bin, much to my dismay. Although I couldnt name what they were up to, I could identify that large breasts were great so that magazine was fine by me mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Geez, no wonder you're so horny, Astro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Forgive me if I am somewhat skeptical of Fox News coverage of this. After all, this is the same corporation that on air talking head described Mass Effect as “Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas.” Not overly sure they even know what Hardcore Porn is. If the father did show his underage children actual porn, then that sounds like a matter for the family courts and between him and his ex-wife. Seems to me like a possible issue with the shared custody they share now. The difficulty with rewriting the law is defining what is considered harmful material. I happen to agree with the law and believe it should be up to the parents and not the government to decide what is harmful material. What may be considered harmful to one child may not be harmful at all to another. I was taught at an early age to respect and the proper operation of a fire arm. However, many people would consider a fire arm “harmful material.” Not even going to go into how this law could protect some religious aspects of people’s lives. Sometimes it better to think about why a law was actually written rather than having a knee jerk reaction to one bad parent that benefits from that law. There are ways to punish him and protect his children beyond his serving jail time for being stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Oh come on, you don't want to see a reenactment of a Madrid bull run? Wait, wut? When? Actually, if I said that, I was probably drunk at the time. Actually you were about to go to disney world IIRC. I dont get why they dont define 'hardcore', damn journalists. Uhh, yeah. Those darn journalists. ============================================================================================= If this guy can't prioritize between hardcore porn (or I guess not-necessariuly-so-hardcore according to my friend above) and an educational video--he does need psych examination at least. However he has, in all likelihood, ruined his marriage. I'm sure he'll have plenty of time to think about what he did wrong. At the least it will stress the relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 TMI!! Secondly, considering how middle school and high school go these days, it's not like they won't be exposed to it by a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". That mom needs to start wearing her ovaries on the outside for a couple minutes a day and just smack her ex-husband in the face with a wiffle ball bat. Boo-hoo, it wasn't incest and all these over-emotional responses are meaningless. We need less prudes here in Texas, there are still people who think the Victoria Secret catalogue is smut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 "Hey, my young daughters, come watch porn with me! It's "educational"!" I don't buy that excuse for a moment. Hope they haven't been assaulted by him already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 "Hey, my young daughters, come watch porn with me! It's "educational"!" I don't buy that excuse for a moment. Hope they haven't been assaulted by him already. What he did is reprehensible, but I don't see how making his daughters watch pornography means he's going to sexually abuse them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 And some parents wonder why kids don't discuss the "birds and bees" with them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 What he did is reprehensible, but I don't see how making his daughters watch pornography means he's going to sexually abuse them.Father asks his 8- and 9-year-old daughters to come watch porn with him. What other possible reason would there be for this other than abuse at some point? I'm not saying he WILL sexually abuse them, I'm wondering if he already HAS. The only reason he's saying "I was just trying to teach them about sex" is because he doesn't want to tell the truth. I don't believe this ridiculous excuse for one moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Or, maybe Jae, he's just so messed up in the head that it seamed like a reasonable way to do his job as a parent and educate his daughters about sex? Not saying it's a good execution -far from- but maybe that's all there is too it? Edit: My apologies mimartin :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 This entire story defies common sense to a new level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Well at least it wasn't "man forces daughters to watch a porn filming." That would have been just messed up. What he did is reprehensible, but I don't see how making his daughters watch pornography means he's going to sexually abuse them. That doesn't constitute a mild form of psychological sexual abuse already? Father asks his 8- and 9-year-old daughters to come watch porn with him. What other possible reason would there be for this other than abuse at some point? I'm not saying he WILL sexually abuse them, I'm wondering if he already HAS. The only reason he's saying "I was just trying to teach them about sex" is because he doesn't want to tell the truth. I don't believe this ridiculous excuse for one moment. A healthy skeptic. That in mind, I wonder if the wife (soon to be ex if she isn't already) had suspected or found out as much. If nothing, then I say it is VERY poor judgment on the father's part. Judgment or lack thereof. My prayers for the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purifier Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Father asks his 8- and 9-year-old daughters to come watch porn with him. What other possible reason would there be for this other than abuse at some point? I'm not saying he WILL sexually abuse them, I'm wondering if he already HAS. The only reason he's saying "I was just trying to teach them about sex" is because he doesn't want to tell the truth. I don't believe this ridiculous excuse for one moment. ^^^^ That's probably the real reason behind it all, only I was thinking he hadn't gotten around to it yet (I hope not). And it was probably his slick way of a suggestion that he was trying to get into their little minds and eventually get them use to the ideal; and performing the acts together that were seen on those videos. And btw, there are porno incest movies out there that he could have rented for them to see, as way to further increase his subtle suggestions. We all know that a very young mind is easily influenced, and no doubt, he knew it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 And maybe we never really landed on the moon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanir Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I have to say my instinct tells me to be very skeptical about this father's attitudes towards his daughters and underage girls in general. Paedophiles are quite sincere individuals, remember, but consistently make broken moral choices about underage sexual exposure. It is one of the difficult things about identifying them for police investigators unless they already have some recorded history, you could talk to one all day and never suspect they're entirely aberrant, just they seem to have some rather odd, undeveloped ideas about children that could be placed down to simply poor education. Has anybody seen any hardcore internet porn? It's the full deal and there are free sites, you can find them linked at date site forums for example, as part of a satirical post or somesuch. Saw a real funny one called "damn lemon thieves" and let's just say that couple sexually punished the girl stealing lemons from their lemon tree very explicitly and in ways that left me feeling traumatised. I'm surprised the rind didn't sting and had to leave before seeing what else they did with lemons or lemon thieves. Such a thing would not only confuse just about anyone not highly sexually experienced I should think but would undoubtedly frightened underage individuals outright. Hardcore sex, especially any kind of kink (from as mild as girl on girl to who knows what depravity), kinda looks a lot like physical abuse if you're not sexually mature. It's no wonder these girls complained about it. How would you feel if I sat you down and made you watch snuff flicks? It's the knowledge that this is what real people are doing outside that front door which is kinda traumatising, it'd be much nicer to believe in that safe world where sesame street characters and bunny rabbits play in daisy fields, it just makes you happy. Alice in wonderland is a little more pleasant intellectually than Alice takes it like a nasty girl, spank her. I'm sorry I just don't think it's possible for a grown adult to be that ignorant, to not recognise that exposing these kind of visual material to girls around 8yo is direct, definitive child abuse. Girls aged 18-22 and quite sexually active still can't handle direct verbal sexual references from strangers without going off the planet (perhaps rightly so, it's not very polite and kinda dumb). If these girls were pubescant, say 11-13 they'd be freaked. The fact they're 8 and 9 is just simply crossing the line, I dare say they're not in any way beginning puberty, there is no rationale for hardcore sexual exposure or even detailed sexual education in the first place (questions at this age, well prior to puberty can and probably should be loosely answered at best, in any case you'd probably find responses like yuk and boredom to any detail). I say daddy was getting jollies, trying to express an intent, a desire or an activity as "something people do" as "something natural" as something okay for him to do perhaps, with them, or at the very least a kink whereby he gets sexual gratification simply from exposing them to it. Maybe he is grooming them for incest when they do reach puberty in coming years. Legally speaking at least one daughter complained about the practise. I'm sure this can be used in some manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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