Violent games worse than Porn?

[Astor]

Ron Jeremy's controversial claim.

 

"Studies have found that violent video games are a much bigger negative influence on kids,"

 

Because of course, Mr. Jeremy has the moral high ground in this instance.

 

Although, the article does make some good points in the way of making sure children are protected from harmful material such as pornography.

[urluckyday]

[Totenkopf]

Ron Jeremy's controversial claim.

 

 

 

Because of course, Mr. Jeremy has the moral high ground in this instance.

 

Although, the article does make some good points in the way of making sure children are protected from harmful material such as pornography.

 

Course I'm sure he knows the best way to protect kids from porn is NOT to make it in the first place. Actually, reminds me of the Carlin routine where he talks about substituting the "f" word for "kill" (eg "Alright, sherrif, we're gonna "f" you, but we're gonna "f" ya slow"). Jeremy seems a bit self-righteously defensive about the whole thing.

[Darth Avlectus]

Yes, this has just so much traction. Especially when he has defiled Mario Bros. about as badly IRL as hentai defiles decent anime in the industry.

 

 

Don't tell me, let me guess...We're going to hear next that insecticides and genetic modification of food decreases the likelihood of cancer where hunting is evil...said by Dick Cheney turning the NES Duck Hunt title into Meadow Massacre?

 

Wait, I know! How about we now have Hayden Christensen play Rock for an MIT made movie like Rockman: Dr Wily's invasion!!!

 

 

Gimmie a break.

[Darth333]

I won't get into what's worse as porn seems to be defined in very different ways depending on where you live: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/67118/texas_art_teacher_fired_for_taking.html :eyeroll:

 

However, between guns and/or nipples/penis, I'd chose nipples/penis any day 9depending on the presentation, of course)

 

I remember visiting tribes in the Amazonia region when I was 8 where people were nude and I have not been traumatized whatsoever (nor do I know any one else who has been). However, seeing people killed with machetes or machine guns at that same age has had a whole other effect.

 

I never quite understood that sex or even a depiction of nipples (like the Oblivion "scandal" where a mere depiction of nipples in a file accessible only to modders caused a rating modification) = bad while the killing wasn't even questioned.

[Nedak]

Depends on what you consider porn to be.

 

He is right...

 

Human love making...

 

vs/ human killings.

 

 

 

However, I think both should be reserved for kids who are older.

[thegame197676]

So Ron Jeremy is now a trying to be a role model for todays youth?

 

Kinda like Jenna Jamenson speaking at an abstinance group.

 

[machievelli]

The problem as I see it is people like Mr Jeremy telling us that an industry, not the parent in charge should 'clean up their act' so the parent doesn't have to. Admitedly a first person shooter doesn't teach you a lot beyond how to get a good sight picture, just as Jeremy's work in the words of Gene Wilder, tells you what goes where and why. If I had been around my daughter when she was 13, I would have had that bird's and bees talk because I cannot explain logically why she should have been careful without being willing to discuss the subject, which the average parent we hear whining isn't.

[Darth Avlectus]

So Ron Jeremy is now a trying to be a role model for todays youth?

 

Kinda like Jenna Jamenson speaking at an abstinance group.

 

 

Not bad for a newb. I'll hand ya that.

 

The problem as I see it is people like Mr Jeremy telling us that an industry, not the parent in charge should 'clean up their act' so the parent doesn't have to. Admitedly a first person shooter doesn't teach you a lot beyond how to get a good sight picture, just as Jeremy's work in the words of Gene Wilder, tells you what goes where and why. If I had been around my daughter when she was 13, I would have had that bird's and bees talk because I cannot explain logically why she should have been careful without being willing to discuss the subject, which the average parent we hear whining isn't.

 

This.

 

Also parents need to not shy away from talking to their kids about several things which (like it or not) include gun safety, self defense, bad people, drugs, addiction, etc. But no. I've met parents/guardians who refuse to even get their kid a tool set because "it might make them violent" or whatever. If you worry little Johnny is going to bop someone over the head with a wrench, it's time to have that talk about controlling one's own temper.

 

>_>

[Bimmerman]

Wait, porn's bad?

[Darth Avlectus]

Hey, I got a question for Ron Jeremy:

When there is notable violence in porn, like explicit depictions of forcible rape, trauma, and usage of violence in it, then what?

 

Besides, Mario Bros. is basically a metaphor of one big 'shrooms'n'acid trip on top of itself essentially being violent (also cartoons are violent BTW).

 

So simulations where you are committing violence and murder in one form or another is destructive, but it's as though encouraging in sexual acts explicitly depicted don't have potentially far reaching and serious long term consequences?

 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Samnmax221]

Maybe we should do what the scary man says.

 

 

My early experiences with porn were going just fine until I saw a picture of Ron Jeremy doing "things" to some lady, then I was traumatized.

 

[purifier]

Yeah, and maybe he could have some supporting mottos that say something like:

 

 

"MAKE PORN, NOT WAR!"

 

 

or

 

 

"HEY EVERYBODY, DON'T COMMIT VIOLENCE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, JUST (your word here) THE HELL OUT EACH OTHER INSTEAD!"

 

 

[Sabretooth]

Porn and violent video games are both equally awesome. End of discussion.

[Jae Onasi]

I have no problem with nudity, but that's very different from porn.

 

Asking if violence is worse than porn is like asking if vomit is worse than diarrhea. Regardless of how you feel about it for adults, neither is good for children.

[urluckyday]

It all comes down to the parents...each family needs to determine their own family values and decide what the children can/can't watch or play. The parental controls are in place for the TV and Video Game systems, so there should be no reason to expose children to either sex or violence if you don't want them to be.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

It all comes down to the parents...each family needs to determine their own family values and decide what the children can/can't watch or play. The parental controls are in place for the TV and Video Game systems, so there should be no reason to expose children to either sex or violence if you don't want them to be.

That requires of parents that they actually be interested in and are accountable for the job they hold as parents. Tall order these days....

[urluckyday]

^Well plain and simple, there's nothing you can do about it other than say they shouldn't be parents then. If you don't take interest in your child's welfare, you're not fit to parent. I don't know how to solve the problem if that's the case.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

Agreed. 100%. Those that should breed aren't interested, those that shouldn't multiply seemingly by masturbation, and thus idiocracy inherits the earth.

[Pavlos]

I won't get into what's worse as porn seems to be defined in very different ways depending on where you live: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/67118/texas_art_teacher_fired_for_taking.html :eyeroll:

That is quite simply,

. Have you seen the Creation of Adam in the Sistine Chapel? The immodesty of it!

[Q]

Aw, lay off the Hedgehog.

 

He's a hero to ugly, hairy, overweight and out of shape guys everywhere.

Asking if violence is worse than porn is like asking if vomit is worse than diarrhea. Regardless of how you feel about it for adults, neither is good for children.

Just thought I'd add that this analogy is excellent.

[Jae Onasi]

That requires of parents that they actually be interested in and are accountable for the job they hold as parents. Tall order these days....

I, and many parents on this forum, would disagree with you. Yes, there are a lot of absentee parents, I'll agree on that. I think that has a lot to do with both parents working to make ends meet, or single-parent families where the mom or dad are working 2 jobs to support their kids. Some of it is sheer laziness. Some of it I think is new parents don't have enough training on parenting and need to learn. Some of it is lack of knowledge on how violence and porn affect youngsters, because we as adults are rather desensitized to both violence and sexual content. Many don't understand that these things affect children very differently from adults. Some of it is lack of knowledge on how to use the parental controls. How many people have trouble just programming the clock on the DVR?

 

However, I spend a lot of time evaluating shows and games before my kids play them, and I think a lot of parents on this forum do so as well. Many other parents outside of this forum are very concerned about that and exercise judgment about what is appropriate for their kids. We hear about the parents who don't care a lot more than we hear about the parents who do care.

[urluckyday]

I, and many parents on this forum, would disagree with you. Yes, there are a lot of absentee parents, I'll agree on that. I think that has a lot to do with both parents working to make ends meet, or single-parent families where the mom or dad are working 2 jobs to support their kids. Some of it is sheer laziness. Some of it I think is new parents don't have enough training on parenting and need to learn. Some of it is lack of knowledge on how violence and porn affect youngsters, because we as adults are rather desensitized to both violence and sexual content. Many don't understand that these things affect children very differently from adults. Some of it is lack of knowledge on how to use the parental controls. How many people have trouble just programming the clock on the DVR?

 

However, I spend a lot of time evaluating shows and games before my kids play them, and I think a lot of parents on this forum do so as well. Many other parents outside of this forum are very concerned about that and exercise judgment about what is appropriate for their kids. We hear about the parents who don't care a lot more than we hear about the parents who do care.

 

I'm not a parent, and I'm not going to claim to know all about parenting b/c idk how my parents ever did it.

 

But I don't understand how it is healthy to have a child in any case be left out of the parent's interest. I don't think adults should decide to have kids unless they know what they are going to teach them and instill in their morals. Parents are the people that guide how their children think and eventually what kind of person they'll turn into. If something is obviously sexually or graphically explicit, it doesn't take a lot to figure out that maybe it's not the best thing for a child to watch and that's just based on social morals and culture usually.

 

There's nothing we can do about bad parenting b/c really there's nobody to watch over the parents (and I don't think there should be). All I can say for sure is that if parents haven't figured out what their own morals are and what is okay for their family to watch/play, they should not be parents and should wait until they figure themselves out before they can even figure out how they're going to raise a family.

[thegame197676]

 

There's nothing we can do about bad parenting b/c really there's nobody to watch over the parents (and I don't think there should be). All I can say for sure is that if parents haven't figured out what their own morals are and what is okay for their family to watch/play, they should not be parents and should wait until they figure themselves out before they can even figure out how they're going to raise a family.

 

I couldn't agree more, that what a kid is exposed to is ultimately the parent's responsibility bar none. Blaming video games, TV, movies, music on and on is little more then an excuse for bad parents to remove responsibility from themselves.

[machievelli]

Hey, I got a question for Ron Jeremy:

When there is notable violence in porn, like explicit depictions of forcible rape, trauma, and usage of violence in it, then what?

 

Besides, Mario Bros. is basically a metaphor of one big 'shrooms'n'acid trip on top of itself essentially being violent (also cartoons are violent BTW).

 

So simulations where you are committing violence and murder in one form or another is destructive, but it's as though encouraging in sexual acts explicitly depicted don't have potentially far reaching and serious long term consequences?

 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

First the one legal definition of pornography that makes sense is where the violence in question is not consenual, which leaves out typical B&D or S&M but does include rape. A number of women I have met have their own 'rape fantasies' and as long as you are willing to limit yourselves to their rules (The Crux of both B&D and S&M) do as you will.

 

I, and many parents on this forum, would disagree with you. Yes, there are a lot of absentee parents, I'll agree on that. I think that has a lot to do with both parents working to make ends meet, or single-parent families where the mom or dad are working 2 jobs to support their kids. Some of it is sheer laziness. Some of it I think is new parents don't have enough training on parenting and need to learn. Some of it is lack of knowledge on how violence and porn affect youngsters, because we as adults are rather desensitized to both violence and sexual content. Many don't understand that these things affect children very differently from adults. Some of it is lack of knowledge on how to use the parental controls. How many people have trouble just programming the clock on the DVR?

 

However, I spend a lot of time evaluating shows and games before my kids play them, and I think a lot of parents on this forum do so as well. Many other parents outside of this forum are very concerned about that and exercise judgment about what is appropriate for their kids. We hear about the parents who don't care a lot more than we hear about the parents who do care.

 

I don't think he's aiming at the parents mentioned, as in working parents. I am more upset with the parents who scream about 'sex education' citing the bible usually as a source that what they want their kids to know about it is what they decide to teach them, which is usually nothing.

 

As for training Robert Lynn Asprin said it best. Regardless of what manner of citizen you are in a society it is always accepted that you can raise a child correctly.

 

You need a license to drive a car, to practice medicine, to pilot an aircraft, and to operate some heavy machinery, but nothing but simple biological capability to have a child.