Jedi_Monk Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 After seeing A.I. and Minority Report, I think that Spielburg has lost his touch. I really and truely did not enjoy these movies in the least, and they were my favorite genre, dystopia! No, I don't think Spielburg should direct a Star Wars movie. Star Wars is Lucas' brainchild, and seeing his work is something that's very unique--we are seeing the author's vision coming straight out of his head and onto the screen! It's amazing to think about, to watch him work. Star Wars truly is his. Yes, Lucas is not an actor's director, but he is one of the best visual directors of all time, and the images he captures on film are strong, sympathetic and moving. The Two Towers was a great film, no doubt there. Peter Jackson is another outstanding director. However, you'll find just as many Tolkien fans who hate his movies as who love them. After Faramir interrogates Gollum, the movie takes a 180 from the book, and I really didn't like that. I felt they were dragging it out, just so they had an excuse to not go into Shelob's Layer and explore the mystery of the Palantir until the next movie--and those two things, I hear, will cut out the Purging of the Shire, something, I believe, Tolkien himself would have found completely unacceptable, because it is something that touches the very heart of his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Ill just say this: Everything has their own unique flaws and strengths that, when blended into one, are good in their own little ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by Tyrion I didnt really like the new movies. Poor acting and lines. Spielburg should've directed it(and I heard he is going to direct EPIII,yay" the two movies definitly didnt kill my love of the star wars universe,they just werent on-par with the orginal trilogy. Hmmmm, silly unbased rumor, i'll nearly guarantee that George Lucas will be directing his LAST star wars film...plus Rick McCallum has also confirmed such....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yangyan Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Lord of the rings is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoCept Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by 00M-187 Old trilogy they are about even. EVEN! EVEN?! No, the book is even with the old trilogy. The movies are as good as EP1 and 2.(take that how you will.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yangyan Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Whats the point of tellin everyone you don't like star wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 dunno...blow off some steam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoCept Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Good question. What is the point of telling everyone you don't like star wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by AutoCept Good question. What is the point of telling everyone you don't like star wars? To gain points? Tyrion especially should be familiar with the ancient art of spamming. What was it that one guy said? "LucasPoints : Why not get paid for the crap you post anyway?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 *tugs on Spam-proof hip waders* ok ok ok... does this thread serve any topic? hrm just as i thought, nope, move it out! Back on topic you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by Aru-Wen To gain points? Tyrion especially should be familiar with the ancient art of spamming. What was it that one guy said? "LucasPoints : Why not get paid for the crap you post anyway?" Humph. I gave my ways along time ago. That were doing the reckless days... Spy always thought a spam for a whack..ow...ow.. Anyways,that spielburg directing rumor is proboly,well,a rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 In ep II The focus was on the huge battle and on yoda whooping dooku's big butt BAD Huh? That was like The Thing I had been waiting for all along: Yoda showing his stuff. But what do I get? --> Dooku spams lightning and tries to throw stuff at Yoda. Yoda blocks. Yoda attacks but can't beat Dooku. Not a single hit, not once was Dooku even forced to retreat. Why didn't they in any way imply that Yoda had the upper hand in that fight? It seemed to me that they were even. Dooku had it under control. WTF is that? I'll tell you what: an ANTICLIMAX. And what's with these one-liners and crap? Every time something exciting is happening, Lucas puts in something really dumb to make it all seem like a farce! (--> Jar- Jar, C3PO in the sand pit, the stuff about "aggressive negotiations etc.) I hate that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by 00M-187 I dont like Star Wars any more! I seriously, seriously couldn't care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 k guess you have to go find a lotr forum...cuz we love star wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 As others have said, each to their own.... Personally, there is more at hand in Episode 1 and 2 than you probably realise. The three new movies are laying the foundations for things later on in the older movies. If they are looked at in this way, some of the smallest things put some events in the original movies into a different context. Now it appears that we have Boba's motive to be a bad@ss bounty hunter, that Vader makes reference to in TESB. This is one simple thing I picked out from the two movies. It is just setting up Palpatine, as many have said, depending on your amount of fanaticism to SW, then you will see different things in the movies. LOTR - Book is awesome, Movies - almost awesome, but will hold judgement until we can get to see the three movies back to back, like most of us have done with SW..... Some of the changes make a marked difference to the character and character development.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00M-187 Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar Huh? That was like The Thing I had been waiting for all along: Yoda showing his stuff. But what do I get? --> Dooku spams lightning and tries to throw stuff at Yoda. Yoda blocks. Yoda attacks but can't beat Dooku. Not a single hit, not once was Dooku even forced to retreat. Why didn't they in any way imply that Yoda had the upper hand in that fight? It seemed to me that they were even. Dooku had it under control. WTF is that? I'll tell you what: an ANTICLIMAX. And what's with these one-liners and crap? Every time something exciting is happening, Lucas puts in something really dumb to make it all seem like a farce! (--> Jar- Jar, C3PO in the sand pit, the stuff about "aggressive negotiations etc.) I hate that! Yet another thing that pissed my off, how is it that Dooku could own two Jedi, one supposed to be the best and then hold his own against Yoda!!! WTF!!! Also Star wars is not meant to be funny, it made it all lame Im not saying that is That bad, but It could have been Waaaaaaaaaaay better. Oh and dont even get me started on the YODA DA MAN commerial, Its gay stuff like that that kills it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 But what do I get? --> Dooku spams lightning and tries to throw stuff at Yoda. Yoda blocks. Yoda attacks but can't beat Dooku. Not a single hit, not once was Dooku even forced to retreat. Why didn't they in any way imply that Yoda had the upper hand in that fight? It seemed to me that they were even. Dooku had it under control. WTF is that? I'll tell you what: an ANTICLIMAX. You must've missed that part where Dooku distracted Yoda by trying to crush Anakin and Obi-Wan and then ran off (some might say 'retreat') to his ship like a punk. Normally, if you've got the upper hand in a fight (or got it 'under control') then you don't run away... but I guess that's just me. Does this make sense to anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 "AND I DON"T LIKE STAR WARS!" Hey that's a line from a Queen song. Well as much as I love SW I have to agree with you 00M-187. Ive been shocked how sloppy & disjointed the last 2 were. The fight between Yoda & Dooku was stupid, why didnt' Yoda just throw the that thing at Dookus ship instead of on the ground. No wonder the Jedi are doomed. I like Lucas and everything he has done but I don't believe him when he said he planned 6 movies all along. If he had there would be more continuity between them all. The last episode will probably be the worst, they still have a lot of explaining to do. But you know? This forum & game keep me a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teutonicknight Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Originally posted by Dark Warrior I like them both equally, I don't really compare them at all because they are not similar at all. The Star Trek vs Star Wars thread was good because it is similar. But LOTR is not similar to Star Wars. They each have their own little flaws. LOTR has alot of depth but I also think that Ep3 will have alot of depth to it too because it will show Anakinturn completely to the Dark side. I think the first 2 movies were leading up to this and Ep3 is the result. But that is just my opinion. From my view they are equal. My opinions exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 You must've missed that part where Dooku distracted Yoda by trying to crush Anakin and Obi-Wan and then ran off (some might say 'retreat') to his ship like a punk. Normally, if you've got the upper hand in a fight (or got it 'under control') then you don't run away... but I guess that's just me. You couldn't be more right, Aru-Wen. And you can tell that Dooku's getting desperate near the end of the battle--he's off-balance, and has no idea where Yoda's going to turn up next. "Fought well, you have, my old Padawan," notice the past-tense; Yoda was about to finish it, Dooku knew it so he ran. ANd I don't know why Yoda didn't use that cooling tower as a baseball bat with Dooku's ship as the ball. Chalk it up to the Jedi code of ethics, afterall, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense (which means they can't innitiate a battle with the Force), and Dooku wasn't threatening Yoda or anyone else at that point. I like Lucas and everything he has done but I don't believe him when he said he planned 6 movies all along. If he had there would be more continuity between them all. Where are there any continuity errors between the Prequel Trilogy and the new Trilogy? Each suspected one that presents itself to us, we can reason away with our knowledge of the movies. And by the way, I just saw The Two Towers again. A good movie, but Peter Jackson milks emotion like a dairy farmer milks a cow. He draws out everything that might have any kind of emotional impact on someone. I much prefer the quick, jarring dispatching of Jango Fett to Gandalf's drawn-out farewell-before-dying in Fellowship (which gave any one of the other characters ample time to rescue him, and makes them all seem like stupid clods for not doing so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk And by the way, I just saw The Two Towers again. A good movie, but Peter Jackson milks emotion like a dairy farmer milks a cow. He draws out everything that might have any kind of emotional impact on someone. I much prefer the quick, jarring dispatching of Jango Fett to Gandalf's drawn-out farewell-before-dying in Fellowship (which gave any one of the other characters ample time to rescue him, and makes them all seem like stupid clods for not doing so). I agree with you there. Also, the slow motion dramatic music death of characters has become a trademark (Boromir in the first movie, Haldir in the second... I can imagine who it will be in the 3rd one, but for those who haven't read the books I don't want to spoil anything). I wouldn't exactly call Gandalf's farewell drawn-out (it lasted all of 5 seconds or so), but I suppose if you compare it to Jango's death, it would be considered drawn-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hekx Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 The prequels seem to reply more apon the previous success of the original trilogy than good acting. ANH, ESB & ROTJ all had good actors and a good storyline which was new and different. While EPI & EPII seemed more focused on special effects than acting. LOTR is a much better storyline with a more believable tale. I personally like LOTR and Star Wars. I just hope EP III can patch up Star Wars nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova_wolf Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Ahhh - Im so glad I am not alone in my GL hating... I have to say that whilst your all shouting 'I HATE Star Wars'... you are generalising... GL may have effed up royally, but EU still furnishes us with new charcters, storylines, emotion and something GL needs a refresher on... CONTINUITY :angry: So band with me when I say 'I HATE the prequels, but long live EU!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Originally posted by nova_wolf GL may have effed up royally, but EU still furnishes us with new charcters, storylines, emotion and something GL needs a refresher on... CONTINUITY A couple folks have mentioned this now... does anyone mind pointing out these supposed continuity errors for those of us that just can't see them? ANH, ESB & ROTJ all had good actors and a good storyline which was new and different. I think you're looking at the OT through rose colored glasses, here. If you think that Carrie Fisher (sp?) did a good job acting in ANH, we've got very different opinions on what a good actress is (what was with that quasi-English accent for 3/4 of the movie?). And Mark Hamill definitely had moments (and lines) that still annoy me far more than Jar-Jar ever could. I'm not saying that the Prequels are without fault, I'm just saying that most people hold the OT up to this impossible standard. Try to step outside and see the OT for what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 woah i must say im surprised i saw the and thought this is just yelling FLAME ME UP THE ASS but doesnt seem that that happend. sorry for the offtopic just thought id say it. i was somewhat disappointed by the prequels but i guess its just that i thought they would be better since we have better special effects capabilities than we did before but the story did drag a bit. but i think without the love scenes you wouldnt see that it was love and not just anakin humped her and dumped her. you know so i gave the prequels a 8/10 but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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