The Source Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 20th Century Humanity seen by 30th Century Humanity All the Egyptian talk as brought up an ineresting question. Since most of this requires a look at every avenue from science to philosophy, I open the floor to the whole spectrum of insight. My questions are: How do you think a 30th century person would preceive a 20th century person? How do you think a 30th century government would perceive a 20th century government? What would you (a 20th century person) perceive a 30th century person and government? Otherwords, what would a 30th century government and society look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Our technology today would probably look pretty primitive to them. When you look back in history, new technological advances then are outdated by today's standards. I think it will be the same for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I hope the medical scene will be better. Imagine having real gene therapies, organ repairs or regrowth, an ability for the brain/nervous system to repair itself, the ability to prevent epidemics/pandemics, the cure for cancer, you name it. I think we'd be living a lot longer. And that would have an effect on social/political/occupational structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbieZ Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Well i think we will be surprised how starfleet has advanced. Mind we will be surprised at the amount of alien representatives in the United Federation of Planets but i think we would get used to the idea and it would all settle after a while. We may even take some ideas back with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I hope the medical scene will be better. Imagine having real gene therapies, organ repairs or regrowth, an ability for the brain/nervous system to repair itself, the ability to prevent epidemics/pandemics, the cure for cancer, you name it. I think we'd be living a lot longer. And that would have an effect on social/political/occupational structures. Why would curing cancer and living longer be good? Diseases like AIDS, cancer etc. excist because we aren't designed to live forever. Death is a natural part of life (like Yoda said). And besides after we've beaten cancer a new epidemic would probably develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I may be overly pessimistic, but given the current course of our global civilization I doubt there will be any 30th century humanity to reflect back upon us. If by some miracle we've avoided making ourselves extinct by then, there's also no guarantee that civilization will be more advanced than ours. If history is any clue human development seem to come in waves rather than a steadily rising curve. Great civilizations rise, only to fall after a few hundred years, leading to a "dark age" during which past achievements are forgotten, until the next great civilization comes along when they are eventually rediscovered. I doubt our current civilization will be any different. As an example, the Roman empire was way more advanced, technologically and otherwise, than anything that came after it for many hundreds of years. Not until the Industrialization and beyond did some of the technologies and concepts they use become reinvented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jimmy Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 The people will look at our Government and be all like "Wow! the world was really going to the ****house!" They probably won't see US as primative but they're obviously going to look at our technology and think it primative. At the same time the intelligent ones will see that the past century would have been the one that really got our technological advances going. Think about it, How fast has technology grown over the past 100 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 It's impossible to give an objective answer to these questions. Everyone imagines the future differently and what it will actually be like depends on many varibles, too many to be precisely defined. Personally, I'd like to see humanity unite into one state and stop working for personal gain and start working for the advancement and survival of the species. I'd like to see a future without money, without crime and without wars, but in our time our species is not yet mentally developed enough to create such a society. One day it might happen, but as much as I'd like to see it start during my lifetime I doubt I'll get that pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jimmy Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 ^ That's like, the perfect world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Why would curing cancer and living longer be good? Diseases like AIDS, cancer etc. excist because we aren't designed to live forever. Death is a natural part of life (like Yoda said). And besides after we've beaten cancer a new epidemic would probably develop. Ah, I never said that we'd live forever, just longer. If some of these medical advances happen, the quality of life will be better. The quality of death will also be better--imagine having a situation where nearly everyone can die pain free, which is something we don't always have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Ah, I never said that we'd live forever, just longer. If some of these medical advances happen, the quality of life will be better. The quality of death will also be better--imagine having a situation where nearly everyone can die pain free, which is something we don't always have right now. Yeah that would be great, especially for people in a "vegetable" state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 <_< They'd probably think that the invention of the Internet led to the decline of literacy in western civilisation. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 How about World War III - The War on Terrorism. I wonder how people would preceive such a enormous undertaking, and the pros and cons of what it entitles. Igyman - Rodenberry fan? stoffe -mkb - I had a small thought on the regression of humanity. You are right about your history. We have see republics rise to empires, and then completely collapse in on themselves. The United States - Historically, I think we have several hundreds of years left. I don't believe we are as advanced as the world sees us. I do admit that we do have advanced military equipment and technology, but I don't believe we are extrodinarily advanced. I do believe that another massive power will rise up from Asia and Europe. Something hit me like a brick last week. I was thinking about civil wars, and how the U.S. has not had one in current history. I think there will be one in the near future, and it is unavoidable to not confront some important issues. When a 30th century person looks back upon us, I think they will see strong similarities between the 20th and 30th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I may be overly pessimistic, but given the current course of our global civilization I doubt there will be any 30th century humanity to reflect back upon us. Quoted for truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I think there will be one in the near future, and it is unavoidable to not confront some important issues. Who can say? We're very divided when it comes to politics now, but I don't think it'll lead it civil war. As for my thoughts on the 30th century, I think we'll be able to leave Earth by then. No, I'm not proposing faster-than light warp drives, but I think we'll be exploring our system and some of the other nearby ones more. Our sun is going to go out eventually and we'll have to live. But anything else? Who can possibly say? The near future is much easier to predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 Who can say? We're very divided when it comes to politics now, but I don't think it'll lead it civil war. As for my thoughts on the 30th century, I think we'll be able to leave Earth by then. No, I'm not proposing faster-than light warp drives, but I think we'll be exploring our system and some of the other nearby ones more. Our sun is going to go out eventually and we'll have to live. But anything else? Who can possibly say? The near future is much easier to predict. I agree. I think we will be exploring our own solar-system by then. I don't believe we will be out of our system until maybe the 40th century. Our technological evolution is a crawling cycle. I will make one possibly obvious prediction: NASA will not be responsible for advancing our technology and space exploration. I think that another company who is independant from the government will make the important advancements, which we need to explore life and planetary science. Some technology that I can see evolve between the 20th and 30th century: 1. Gravity controlled environments & transportation. 2. Advances in the electronic car, which will allow them to be driven for hours and days without recharging. 3. A spacestation that does not need to be held within the Earth's orbit. 4. The ability to convert inhabitable environments into a means for food and medications. 5. The beginning stages of Cold Fussion. 6. The beginning stages of antimatter and matter. 7. The cure for 20th century health issues, and the rise of more complex diseases and flues. 8. Cures for illnesses found in the humanbody, but they will be found on another planet in our solarsystem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasraLantill Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Something hit me like a brick last week. I was thinking about civil wars, and how the U.S. has not had one in current history. I think there will be one in the near future, and it is unavoidable to not confront some important issues. Erm... the U.S. Civil War only ended 141 years ago. The last veteran of that war died in 1959, and although that was a few years before my time, it certainly wasn't before my parent's time. So, in terms of world history, I'd still consider that pretty current. As far as the future is concerned, I'd like to think that in a thousand years time all of the countries on the planet would be working together under a centralised government. Just imagine what could be accomplished if everyone was working towards the same goals as a team effort! A cleaner planet, better utilisation of resources, a higher standard of living for everyone, and perhaps even colonies in our solar system or beyond. I won't get to see it, but it's nice to imagine that it could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Yeah that would be great, especially for people in a "vegetable" state. Not if you can also regenerate brain cells or do something to prevent the cell breakdown in the first place. I'm the last one who wants to lay around in bed for 50 years contemplating a light fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igyman Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Igyman - Rodenberry fan? You could say that. Yes. How about World War III - The War on Terrorism. I just hope people will realize that this war is against terrorism only in name, in fact it's more to spread the US influence in other countries and, believe it or not, for territory. Those so-called peace corps have occupied the territory of other countries and, oh wonders, in every case it's the region of the country with the most natural resources that they can exploit. What I hope is that people in the near future will realize what Bush is actually doing and that when election day comes in the US they won't give him a second chance to get rich by making wars. I also hope that people in the distant future we are discussing here will know what this war on terror was all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I think that the 30th Century will be much like the 20th Century. And the 18th Century, and every century before that. Little has changed, on the grand scale of things, and in the life-span of the Earth, we've barely crawled out of the primeval gloop. There will still be individual countries, a human race, empires and republics, kings and presidents, politicians etc. People have been saying for centuries that we're going to destroy ourselves in the next fifty years. It hasn't happened yet, and I rather doubt its going to happen hence. Societies may collapse, revolutions will occur, bloody civil wars will leave countries devastated, but in the end, humanity will continue to survive. What I suspect will happen is that they will look back and see us as: a) Nymphomaniacs who would screw anything that moved b) Thoroughly corrupt politically and economically c) Terribly primitive d) Bloodthirsty and crude. But most importantly, when they look back at the world as it is now, they won't bother to learn from our mistakes. Humanity doesn't change. @igyman: America has already done that. Come to England, and you'll see our politicians are trying to turn us into a facsimile of the US. Soon everyone will do it, merrily, with rapturous applause, and it will be called progress. Towards what is another matter entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I may be overly pessimistic, but given the current course of our global civilization I doubt there will be any 30th century humanity to reflect back upon us. Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 I may be overly pessimistic, but given the current course of our global civilization I doubt there will be any 30th century humanity to reflect back upon us. . Rgr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 <_< They'd probably think that the invention of the Internet led to the decline of literacy in western civili--Z--ation. >_> fixed:xp: DANG INTERNET!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 I'm not so pessimistic about the survivability of the human race, as it is quite ingenius and adaptable. However, that is not saying that it won't inflict savage wounds upon itself. So, much depends on the route it takes over the next millenia. Stagnation? Progression? Regression? These routes, plus the inevitable mutations in cultural standards will probably have much to do with that viewpoint. Also, if 30th century man lives in a relativistic society like we have in this age, there may not be a uniform view of 20th century humanity anyway. Basically, this is probably a too open ended question to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 fixed:xp: DANG INTERNET!!! It's spelled 'civilisation' in Canadian English. And British English. And Australian English. And just about every other version there is except American English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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