Hannibal Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Can't John Kerry wait until he's running for office to ruin things for everyone? He's such an awkward campaigner. My god! He's not even running for office and he finds away to mess things up. He's like a political Homar Simpson. I know it was a bad choice of words and its not what he meant but with his history of fumbles it just seems he'd be smart enough to keep his mouth shut. But he's to arrogant to keep his mouth shut until he's forced to. Seems like the Democrats were on quite a run and he gave the Republicans billboard material. BTW For full disclosure, I'm more of an Independent (not undecided, Independent) I support the best candidate whether Republican, Democrat, Green Party or whatever. I don't know how John Kerry ever got to run for President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Copied this directly from jae's Negative Campagining topic...saves me time...homework, homework...(ehehrm...Guild Wars) Okay then...the Cherry thing. It's very negative to say such a thing. It implies that the soldiers fighting in Iraq are poorly educated individuals who fight because Bush wants it. In fact, it's just a sneer at Bush. That's a direct insult to me as well, since there are some European troops fighting there too, same goes for Afghanistan. Those brave men and women fight there to protect our way of life, and our safety. They don't fight because Bush want them too. (He does, but that's a different subject). That way of negative compaigning makes me sick. Cherry just picks a group of individuals, insults them, hoping to 'score' at the mass. Luckily, that didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I think all politicians suffer from "foot-in-mouth" disease.. Republicans & Democrats alike seem to be spot-on for being out of touch with the public.. and desperately in need of some "think a little or at least read your damn notes before opening your mouth" training... I swear the papers their aides give them must have "readme.txt" on the cover (inside joke for modders) John Kerry (D): "You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." What should've been said: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." John Boehner ®: "Let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld." Wolf Blitzer: "But he's in charge of the military." I'll leave out the millions of things our "grand-leader" Bush has said simply because I don't have the stamina to type all of it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 John Boehner ®: "Let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld." Wolf Blitzer: "But he's in charge of the military." I just read that one. Hilarious. You guys certainly keep us Canadians entertained! Although our politicians say the same kinds of stupid things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share Posted November 2, 2006 Cherry just picks a group of individuals, insults them, hoping to 'score' at the mass. Luckily, that didn't happen. Okay, I'm not following the Cherry thing. Your post confused me you say it was a just a 'sneer' at Bush then you say it's Kerry (Cherry?) taking shots at folks. Also, what other time did he pick a group of individuals to insult hoping to 'score at mass'? I think all politicians suffer from "foot-in-mouth" disease Yeah Chainz but it seems John Kerry likes to take it up a notch. He is the worst campaigner I've ever seen. If Massachusetts wasn't such a Democratic state and he got some real competition he'd be snowboarding for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Seeing as my college-educated husband got called up to serve, not in Iraq but still in the Iraq mission (he got deployed stateside), and several of my MD friends have done tours in Iraq (gee, I guess 8 years of college/professional school doesn't count as education?), I'm not too happy with Kerry right now. That's not because of what he said initially--I could write that off as a stupid mistake, and having made plenty of mistakes, stupid and more stupid, I can forgive that kind of thing. What's making me mad is that he won't just come out and say "I'm sorry, I misspoke. I did not mean to imply that the troops are uneducated." I would have respected him for being honest and saying that. None of us is perfect, and being in the public eye constantly is very difficult. I _expect_ people to make mistakes from time to time, since it happens to all of us. However, I think he should be willing to accept that he's made a mistake, apologize, and move on, and I would have appreciated the courage it takes to do that. Instead, he's weaseling out and saying "I'm sorry I was misinterpreted." That's no apology at all. It also tells me he apparently doesn't have enough honor and/or self-respect to admit that he's made a mistake much less make amends for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I thought Senator John Kerry’s was trying to insult President Bush and not our troops when I first heard his comments. I could understand by his inept wording that the comments could be misinterpreted as an insult our troops serving in Iraq. My problem with him is his refusal to apologize the moment that he realized he botched his joke. I agreed with him that President Bush also owes the troops an apology, but Kerry should have been a bigger man and apologized at once. Waiting three days was a colossal mistake. Even if he would have gotten the joke correct the first time I believe it would have been inappropriate. Don’t these people understand people are dieing over there. I can’t see anything funny about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Kerry is a two-faced, hypocritical, brainless twit, with all the sense of tact and use of language of a breeze-block, and all the moral fibre of Jack the Ripper IMO. Like most politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I never thought that Kerry was the sharpest crayon in the box. This just proves it. The 2004 election was clearly a case of choosing the lesser of two idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I am (in hindsight) glad I didn't have to vote last time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Joker Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I never thought that Kerry was the sharpest crayon in the box. This just proves it. The 2004 election was clearly a case of choosing the lesser of two idiots. QFE Classic Kerry. Turns what could have easily and immediately been made a non-issue into a media circus by getting all defensive and insisting that anyone having a problem with what he said must be a "right-wing nut job." Now, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says he was not taking a swipe at the troops. One would think that he's been a politician long enough to know better. However, I can certainly see where some might take great offense at his statement. An immediate, or at least timely mea culpa would have completely fixed this (three days not falling within my personal definition of "timely"). Let that be a lesson to all you budding politicians out there. Well, let it be a lesson to most, if not all of us. You too can screw up. There are times to stand by your statements and there are times to back down and admit that, well, maybe, we shot our mouth off without thinking. One never knows what the consequenses may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 As everyone else has already said how awful Kerry is, the only thing I'll add is that Bush is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 No, Kerry's wife is worse. Hotel Asylum would be too normal for her. I've never made any voting decisions based on a candidate's spouse, but she certainly made me think twice, and unfortunately not in a positive way. And I don't think Kerry's an awful person, I just was terribly disappointed that he decided not to be honest and apologize right away. Kerry's supposed to be one of the big leaders of the Democratic party, and he set a bad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Gotta luv it http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/02/kerry.photo/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 I wish they had that in HQ. I'd put it as my desktop. And I don't think Kerry's an awful person, I just was terribly disappointed that he decided not to be honest and apologize right away. Honesty has nothing to do with apologizing. An apology means absolutely nothing. Especially if a person doesn't mean it. It always gets me when people are relieved when someone apologizes. "I think <insert random race her>s cause all the crime." "I'm so sorry, of course I would never mean something like that" "That's okay everything is fine now, you've apologized." I think he didn't apologize because of his arrogance(he shares that with all his political brethren). In politics they don't even want an apology they want the weakness the the apology intails. After politicians apologize those on the other side still say he/she should have known better. It's sad but one of the strongest things about the Republican party of the past 10 years is their un-apologetic attitudes. It makes them seem stronger than Democrats. That and they don't insult the military. God Kerry is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I wish they had that in HQ. I'd put it as my desktop. I got bored 1280x1024 (standard dimensions) - 552kb http://www.jumpstationz.com/gallery/random/halpus_1280x1024.jpg 1680x1050 (HD dimensions) - 792kb http://www.jumpstationz.com/gallery/random/halpus_1680x1050.jpg Nothing "major", just bicubic re-sampling and black filler. Picture is still a little blurry, but that's as good as my editing toys will allow me to make a jpg. But they're good enough for "Office Fun" for those who want to make a statement hehehe ENJOY anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 @Hannibal--they may not want to look weak to their brethren, but those aren't the people electing them. It's the folks back home they're accountable to, and they need to remember that. An apology does make a difference to me--as long as they _mean_ it. It tells me they have enough honor to accept they did something wrong and take steps to fix whatever damage that mistake did. Now if they're just blowing sunshine my way, that's a different story, and I view that as even worse than the original mistake, because now they're lying to me on top of it all. Not all politicians are complete jerks. When I was still in college, I was on the student political action committee and I got to go to D.C. and do some lobbying with the regular PAC folks. I got to meet several of the Representatives, and while we had very short visits, it was cool to talk with them. They were all very cordial, and the few we talked to had some very good comments and questions for us. But yes, a lot of them do say one thing and do something else. Reading through LBJ's papers at the Johnson Presidential Library was quite an eye opener. And fascinating, too--he was an amazing politician. Thanks for the jpgs, ChAiNz--I think the picture's hysterical. The guys in Jimbo's reserve unit will love it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I do find it interesting how so many people, even lefties, are willing to jump on Kerry and say "gawd, what a ****ing idiot he is" for forgetting to say one word ("us") in a speech to college students, while George Bush and his wife, as well as Republican politicians and their minions (see: Rush Limbaugh) are saying things every day that are literally insane, insulting towards a crippled celebrity, or suggest that voting for Democrats is like voting for terrorists. Or something. I'm not a fan of Kerry; I think he (as well as others, like Howard Dean) should be kicked out of the Democratic Party, not because they're bad people, but because they are a liability to the party and really offer nothing of value to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 @Jae - I didn't say anything about looking weak to their brethren. If they look weak to their base that's where it hurts. Even with independents. My point about apologies is you can't know if someone means it. It's very partisan. If you're on the left you think "no big deal" if you're on the right you think its the worst thing ever. But if it was switched and it was a conservative republican that said it democrats would have jumped on him and republicans would have defended him. It the hipocrasy of politics. The only time things are an issue is one someone on the opposite side does it. There are evangilists preaching against homosexuality that are homosexuals and none of their followers know. People are quite impressive when it comes to covering up their true selves. Especially when they stand to gain something. Thanks for the pic Chainz. On the desktop it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I don't know why this is such a surprise. There are many facets of life in which Presidential candidates on both sides of the aisle do not deliver (their wives will confirm this, I'm sure of it), giving speeches and delivering punch lines are two of these, and a misspoken line in a speech will be turned to mud and slung at the nearest opponent. But, their hair is combed to the side and they have white teeth and are are clean-cut Ivy League white guys, and that's all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 There are evangilists preaching against homosexuality that are homosexuals and none of their followers know. People are quite impressive when it comes to covering up their true selves. Especially when they stand to gain something. http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20061103%2fhaggard_allegations_061103&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True Yup. Indeed there are. I know I buy crystal meth for myself out of curiosity then throw it away all the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Joker Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 As everyone else has already said how awful Kerry is, the only thing I'll add is that Bush is even worse. Well, I disagree, but not by much. Pick yer poison... Quite frankly, Senator Kerry's response to criticism was one of the main reasons I didn't vote for him in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20061103%2fhaggard_allegations_061103&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True Yup. Indeed there are. I know I buy crystal meth for myself out of curiosity then throw it away all the time... I thought it was a strange thing for him to say, too, til I thought of the possibility of the guy buying it for someone close to him in order to shelter that person from the law or because they can't get access to it--wife or sibling, for instance, maybe a family member in jail, that kind of thing. People have done stranger things for family. I think there was a set-up component to this, too--the 'call guy' saved the envelopes that the pastor sent him money in. Why save the envelopes if you're not planning on making it public at some point to embarrass the guy? And before this thread goes nuts on this story and this turns into pastor-bashing for hypocrisy, all I can say is that yes, Christians screw up, sometimes in spectacular ways, just like everyone else. I don't like seeing it happen and he shouldn't have done it. However, if Christians are going to be held up on the perfection pedestal, we're all going to be disappointed 100% of the time when they fall, because none of us can ever hope to reach perfection. @Hannibal--I generally take them at their word when they say they're sorry, unless I know that they have a history of blatant lying. Most people are sorry, at least to some degree, when they apologize. Not everyone is, of course, but most are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace MacLeod Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Well, there's "not perfect", then there's buying meth and visiting rentboys when you're an Evangelical pastor campaigning against gay marriage. Where this guy is right now, he can't even turn around, spot "not perfect" with a telescope and gaze at it longingly. Anybody who follows this guy if he ever returns to the pulpit deserves to be mislead. And if this guy can run across meth, so can the people connected to him. What, it was too embarrassing for his kid to buy drugs, so he went out and did it? C'mon. Someone in prison would have easier access to it than he would. His denial has all the hallmarks of someone grabbing the first chunk of mental BS when they're flustered by the sudden appearance of reporters asking questions that hit too close to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I was providing an alternative possibility for the meth purchase which would be in line with his statement, but I did not discuss the probability, which I consider low. The guy should be fired from his church and de-frocked as a minister if the allegations are true (and I think the probability is high that he's guilty). I feel sorry for his family--their lives will be miserable after this, especially during the time where the press rakes this guy over the coals. His wife has to deal with the possibility that hubby's brought home God-only-knows-what with him from his little 'massages', in addition to the entire family experiencing shame and embarrassment of national press questions and the very real threat that he's going to lose his job and thus their means of support. I think the minister should be held to the same legal standards as everyone else. However, this wouldn't be national news if it weren't a Christian minister being totally stupid. There are plenty of people who claim to be against homosexuality who have a secret little fling going on the side, and it never makes news when they're found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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