Jae Onasi Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Breaking news, subject to change. Please pray for the soldiers and families in Ft. Hood, in TX. 2 or 3 gunmen in military garb--turns out they were soldiers--came on base and started shooting in the Soldier Readiness Processing Center. According to news I heard on WGN radio, there are at least 12 dead, 31 wounded. One of the shooters is dead, killed by one of the on-post police force. One of the members of the Ft. Hood Civilian Police was killed in the shooting. Two additional suspects are in custody now. The base is on lockdown so it's hard to get any information right now. The Killene school district is on lockdown, but apparently schools have NOT been hit, and they've been locked down so no one can get in or out, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I've just put Sky News on and it's the main story. It's quite shocking that people could do this. Thoughts are with those affected, and I hope this is resolved without further loss of life. (Just a minor suggestion, but given the severity of this, wouldn't it be better suited to Kavar's?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trench Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I still find it hard to believe that any human has the capacity to do something like that. I pray that they catch anyone involved, and punish them severely (and no, life in prison isn't severe enough for that kind of person. Neither is a lethal injection). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 The shooter has been identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan (I have to double check spelling, I'm hearing this on streaming radio). 2 other suspects are now in custody, but apparently Maj. Hassan may have been the only shooter. He used 2 handguns. 12 are dead, a mix of soldiers and civilians. 31 are injured, 3 have been lifeflighted to major trauma hospitals in Austin for more advanced trauma care, 2 are in surgery in hospitals in Killeen, TX where Ft. Hood is located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Nothing really surprises me in the way mankind treats his environment and each other. However a Major in the United States Armed Forces being accused of such a crime does surprise me. I hope for mercy to all the victims and their family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 I hope this doesn't cause a backlash against fellow Middle Eastern soldiers and citizens. Maj. Hasan apparently was a mental health professional, in a fit of complete irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Probability of that not happening, very low. I don't think that those of Middle East decent are going to get out of this easily. I doubt there's a connection, in fact I'd be very surprised if there was (Between this major and an organization such as Hamas), but consider where we've been fighting the past 8 years and this..... Well, isn't that just a grand situation? If the discrimination starts within the military, they can all thank this Major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 If the discrimination starts within the military, they can all thank this Major. The Army's official stance on racism is "The only color we see in the Army is green." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 The Army's official stance on racism is "The only color we see in the Army is green."Well, yes, except in Vietnam, where Army couldn't get enough of poverty-stricken blacks. So, yes, you can say that the Army doesn't discriminate against non-whites. And, personally, this isn't quite surprising; it's a simply fact that multiple deployments will only drive one to commit an act such as this. Apparently, the rampant increase in the military personnel suicide rate hasn't massively revamped the handling of the mental health of veterans, so I'll wait and see if a massacre such as this does. I'd probably elicit a "No" out of it all, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Well, last I heard, Maj Hasan had had problems with his tour at Walter Reed and was apparently about to be deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan. There was something else about his having stated that Muslims should be more openly opposed to our military presence over there also. Will be intertesting to see if it was just a tragic case of a man gone "crazy" or something even more nefarious (ie conspiracy w/ the 2 (+?) others). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Well, I'm somewhat at a loss for words. Except Un-effing-believable. I just hope those under his psychiatric care haven't been given dimentia programming for what was supposed to be rehab and care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litofsky Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Just heard about it on the evening news. My deepest sympathies to the families of the victims; that someone could even do this to their fellow soldier is egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I'm sorry, but I can't think that this guy's religion is coincidental. Of course, I could be wrong. Well, yes, except in Vietnam, where Army couldn't get enough of poverty-stricken blacks. So, yes, you can say that the Army doesn't discriminate against non-whites. But at slightly less than 12.5% their death toll as a percentage of the total was pretty much in line with their percentage of the US population at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Although earlier reported as having been slain in the shootout, Hasan has apparently survived. Here's a link from MSNBC:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 Although earlier reported as having been slain in the shootout, Hasan has apparently survived. Wow. I'm surprised he made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 He'll probably end up wishing he hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 Well, yes, except in Vietnam, where Army couldn't get enough of poverty-stricken blacks. So, yes, you can say that the Army doesn't discriminate against non-whites.You're talking about the Army of 30 years ago during the turmoil of the Civil Rights era. I'm talking about the current one. And, personally, this isn't quite surprising; it's a simply fact that multiple deployments will only drive one to commit an act such as this. Apparently, the rampant increase in the military personnel suicide rate hasn't massively revamped the handling of the mental health of veterans, so I'll wait and see if a massacre such as this does. I'd probably elicit a "No" out of it all, but that's just me. The military simply doesn't have enough mental health personnel to handle it all. There is a major effort in the military to work on suicide prevention right now (I've even got mailings about it from Tricare, the military medical insurance), but they need to recruit and retain more qualified people. The mental health professionals currently on active duty are having to serve extra tours than most because there simply aren't enough of them to rotate in and out. Also, dealing with military PTSD is different from, say, drug counseling, post-crime PTSD, treating bipolar or schizophrenia, marriage therapy, and so on, so it requires extra training for people who aren't specialists in those areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 The news is reporting that this guy was on the FBI's radar recently for some internet posts he'd made...and somehow no action was taken and no investigation started. One would think they might have alerted the Army... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 My brother-in-law works in the building opposite that one. Fortunately he was off today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 This is definitely an interesting story. I'll be glad when there's less speculation and anecdotal theories, unfortunately at this time the US Army is withholding quite a bit of information on the specifics, though it can be said for certain that Hasan's personal conflicts with his job as well as service in Iraq posed lots of problems. I'll be glad when the reporters stop asking if theres reason to believe a ring of suicide bombers has infiltrated the military, it's quite outlandish. Hopefully we'll take good care of those people we've got here in Austin and those out in Killeen trauma will be quick to recover. I also doubt there will be any spike in racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Eh, you never know with the Military getting used to shooting 'ragheads' (Not meant as my view, just to show how derisive the enemy has become) I can see it happening, not officially, but with a blind eye. As for the suicide bombers infiltrating... Have those reporters heard of the ASVAB!? Besides, something such as spent a year in Yemun would show up.... Stupid media, stop creating a story out of thin air and do some actual reporting for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanir Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Let's hope this doesn't become ammunition for an Even More Patriotic Act but I don't think Obama is on that kick thankfully. My sympathies for yankville <--I say this as a term of endearment. Nobody deserves to have murdering shooters running around the place, you'd think after upteen thousands of years our species would be over this sort of thing. Oh well, bring out the crazy book, let's sign these blighters into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Three Army Reserve units I have been assisting in their preparations for deployment were in the building when the shooting took place. I'm the one who typed up their orders that said, "You are hereby ordered to active duty..." Five of our soldiers were killed, and ten were wounded. One of the wounded was a friend that I helped get a position with one of the units. I know it isn't my fault the people got hurt and killed--blame lies squarely on the man who shot them--but it hurts to see my comrades gunned down. I have only met one of these soldiers face-to-face (my friend), but they are like family. Please pray for the wounded to recover and for God to bring comfort to the families of the slain soldiers. And please pray that we can find some way to bring a peaceful end to this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-96 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Nobody deserves to have murdering shooters running around the place, you'd think after upteen thousands of years our species would be over this sort of thing. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of the wounded and the dead victims. The shooter, however; is a different story. I have been researching the Islamic religion as of late and have found some interesting points. Many tout the Islamic religion as one of peace. In their Qur'an, it is taught that there will be peace - once all people recognize Islam as their religion. Until such a time, muslims are told in the Qur'an to offer non-believers three choices: conversion, subjugation (slavery) or death. The Qur'an also counsels followers to kill and make war with non-believers. (This site: Jihad Watch is one of the sites I regularly visit.) I realize that not all followers of Islam practice all of those things. That doesn't make it a peaceful religion, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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