Jenni Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) On 10/31/2020 at 9:20 AM, Scummbuddy said: ....and yet, Adventure Game Studio is more than capable of doing this and is also free and available today. Plus, if you want your game in ScummVM, there's Wintermute (it even has 2.5D capabilities ala Grim Fandango). SCUMM is certainly fascinating to play around with (I've dabbled in ScummGEN when I compiled and added some missing pieces to the ScummGEN Indiana Jones fan game), but if you really want to make adventures, there's plenty of modern tools out there. Edited November 3, 2020 by Jenni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandands Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Jenni said: Plus, if you want your game in ScummVM, there's Wintermute (it even has 2.5D capabilities ala Grim Fandango). SCUMM is certainly fascinating to play around with (I've dabbled in ScummC when I compiled and added some missing pieces to the ScummC Indiana Jones fan game), but if you really want to make adventures, there's plenty of modern tools out there. What do you think of the european software Visionaire? I'm thinking of giving it a go after trying Unity's plug-in Adventure Creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) I think it's less about having a tool to make adventure games. You are right, there are much easier tools today. But the idea to make a game in an old engine is incredibly thrilling to me. The thought of someone making a brand new SCUMM game that can be played on floppy disks on 30 year old machines sounds wild to me. Edited November 3, 2020 by Marius 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenni Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Marius said: I think it's less about having a tool to make adventure games. You are right, there are much easier tools today. But the idea to make a game in an old engine is incredibly thrilling to me. The thought of someone making a brand new SCUMM game that can be played on floppy disks on 30 year old machines sounds wild to me. As a historian and president of a computer museum, I would absolutely love to have the tools for archival and preservation purposes. But, as a developer and gamer - there actually already are tools to make a brand new SCUMM game that can be played on floppy disks. ScummGEN already can create fully playable games in SCUMM that can be played in ScummVM on one of the many platforms it supports or with the Day of the Tentacle executable in DOS. I accidentally originally said I used ScummC above. It was actually made in ScummGEN. I tried to play around with ScummC to add the triangle puzzle to OpenQuest for SCUMM using a simplified routine I discovered when I converted OpenQuest to Wintermute, but I couldn't get it to compile. Here's the link for the very short playable game written in SCUMM that I alluded to above (note that it was created by the ScummGEN team - I just compiled it, added some missing elements, and fixed some bugs). If you're interested in seeing a SCUMM game created with publicly available tools, the game is here: https://jennibee.itch.io/indiana-jones-and-the-call-of-thunder The source code is also here, if you're interested: https://github.com/JenniBee/callofthunder 3 hours ago, vandands said: What do you think of the european software Visionaire? I'm thinking of giving it a go after trying Unity's plug-in Adventure Creator. I haven't personally tried Visionaire Studio, but I've heard good things about it, especially its robust and easy to use interface. If you're looking for something with a modern environment that's robust and easy to use, one engine that I have used and heartily recommend is Godot combined with the adventure game framework, Escoria, That engine and framework were used to create the awesome adventure game, The Interactive Adventures of Dog Mendonça & Pizzaboy, and it's also the engine we used for the 2nd and 3rd place picks during the community prototype portion of Amnesia Fortnight 2017. Edited November 3, 2020 by Jenni 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandands Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Jenni said: I haven't personally tried Visionaire Studio, but I've heard good things about it, especially its robust and easy to use interface. If you're looking for something with a modern environment that's robust and easy to use, one engine that I have used and heartily recommend is Godot combined with the adventure game framework, Escoria, That engine and framework were used to create the awesome adventure game, The Interactive Adventures of Dog Mendonça & Pizzaboy, and it's also the engine we used for the 2nd and 3rd place picks during the community prototype portion of Amnesia Fortnight 2017. Thank you so much for those links, I'm from Buenos Aires and a friend of mine knows the people behind the argentine studio that made Dog Mendoça; I will definitely check Godot and Escoria out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 ScummGEN seems really lacking in documentation? How did you understand how to use it? ScummC seems far more fully featured and easier to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenni Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 15 hours ago, ThunderPeel2001 said: ScummGEN seems really lacking in documentation? How did you understand how to use it? ScummC seems far more fully featured and easier to follow. Both are really programming-intensive as they require at least a moderate amount of C language knowledge to use. They both are feature-rich in the games they can make though and feature most of the SCUMM functions. I never could get ScummC to compile using GCC for Windows. I primarily use macOS now, which is *nix based, so it might be fun to try to do it again on my current machine. In order to compile and use ScummGEN, I pored over the C source code in order to see how it actually functioned, which is admittedly not a skill that a lot of people who want to make SCUMM games would have. The actual scripting language is still SCUMM though, so once you go through the hard part of actually getting the compilers functioning properly, it's not a hard language to come to grips with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 This is really interesting. I wish ScummGEN had more documentation. I'm not proficient enough in C to be able to read through the source like you did, but I'm intrigued about writing something in Scumm. When I get some time I might try and teach myself some stuff. I've half-read the Scumm manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMachine Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Frank Cifaldi just posted THIS on Twitter. The source is apparently Game Player's PC Strategy Guide Vol. 3 No. 6 (Nov/Dec 1990), which is sadly unscanned on the Internet. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMachine Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) I asked Frank Cifaldi on Twitter if there was anything else of interest in that magazine scan and he kindly posted the whole article. Of special note (and I believe Laserschwert has seen this already) - the MI1 poster art in this article appears to show an early version of Guybrush's face. Edited November 17, 2020 by ATMachine 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 5 hours ago, ATMachine said: Frank Cifaldi just posted THIS on Twitter. The source is apparently Game Player's PC Strategy Guide Vol. 3 No. 6 (Nov/Dec 1990), which is sadly unscanned on the Internet. I dig this screen a lot! Copy pasting my thoughts from Twitter. I love this alternate shot and am intrigued how it feels cutting to it after the title screen, as it’s a direct reverse shot instead of a „zoom in“. Plus the setting sun appears in the following room, the dock. The whole sense of space must‘ve felt very different. Also the gate framing the screen is really cool. Bummer that room isn't in the source files, I would've loved to plug that back into the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMachine Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) That perspective also gives us a great view of the back of the lookout's head, which got a makeover with a more orderly bald spot in the VGA version. In the scan it looks like the lookout's sprite is a bit different, too - the edges of his coat appear to be dark blue rather than gray. Edited November 17, 2020 by ATMachine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagomorph01 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 8 hours ago, ATMachine said: Frank Cifaldi just posted THIS on Twitter. The source is apparently Game Player's PC Strategy Guide Vol. 3 No. 6 (Nov/Dec 1990), which is sadly unscanned on the Internet. Whoa! What a beautiful shot! I really love the atmosphere and lighting effects! I understand the zoom in effect the original game did, but wow, I think I actually prefer this version now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinnamon Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Always nice to discover stuff like this. I bet this art (the original asset) is still somewhere on someone's drive, waiting to be shared! If it were to be restored, it would probably have worked as a secondary camera angle during the intro cutscene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udvarnoky Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 From an old interview Mojo conducted with Mark Ferrari: Quote Speaking of space constraints, what types of challenges did that create for the art aspect of the game? Oh, there were some nifty BGs left lying on the cutting room floor – as always - before it was over, including one scene looking straight down over a cliff edge down a long zig zag wooden cliff face staircase at the pirate village at the cliff's base. Alas, we illustrators are born to kill half our children for 'de man'. It immediately sprung to mind when this alternate angle was shared, but Ferrari seems to be describing yet a third background related to this location. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagge Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 14 hours ago, ATMachine said: Frank Cifaldi just posted THIS on Twitter. The source is apparently Game Player's PC Strategy Guide Vol. 3 No. 6 (Nov/Dec 1990), which is sadly unscanned on the Internet. Wow, this is an amazing use of the EGA palette. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Udvarnoky said: From an old interview Mojo conducted with Mark Ferrari: It immediately sprung to mind when this alternate angle was shared, but Ferrari seems to be describing yet a third background related to this location. That room sounds amazing! It fits to the vibe that I get from the town of Mêlée, which is this huge virtual place that is full of life. I can imagine how the team just went crazy with it and had tons of more rooms/screens planned/sketched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Love this new image! I’m guessing they fact it was harder to navigate. Where’s the “exit” the Melee”s overhead map? Probably would have been easy for new players to miss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinnamon Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Does anyone know if the Game History Foundation intent to make the youtube stream publicly available at some point. They did sent me the link to the archive but there was no mention of it going completely public /accessible to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 They did say in that email that they will be publishing a public version soon. No idea when, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcat Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 13 hours ago, ThunderPeel2001 said: They did say in that email that they will be publishing a public version soon. No idea when, though. I can't see the word 'public' in this text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Why would they create an edited version just for the people who already watched it live? 🤷♂️ Edited November 21, 2020 by ThunderPeel2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcat Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, ThunderPeel2001 said: Why would they create an edited version just for the people who already watched it live? 🤷♂️ I dunno ... "to fix some of the audio issues at the beginning" maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinnamon Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Yes, I did read that bit on the email, but thought it was unclear, too. I guess we wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 They're basically a museum, I can almost guarantee this will be publicly available at some point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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