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You bastards lure me into doing all kinds of ridiculous stuff. https://mixnmojo.com/countdown/ Click the ReMI image on the frontpage and the same thing should come up.

It may be madness, but those are the rules: "counter per monkey head"... three-headed monkey = 3 monkeys. QED. I wholly disagree with this logic

Indeed. Did you know that in the demo they referred to the rubber chicken as a DEAD chicken? Implying that in the final game, the rubber chicken we gleefully glide across Meathook’s river with is, in fact, at least a little bit alive.

I have another angle that that causes even more confusion! What about the box-art Monkeys? Do they count? Do we have to seperate "Logo Monkeys" and "In scene Monkeys"? @Vainamoinen please clarify! According to that Escape box the chicken looks very much alive! Thank you, Playstation 2 version, for clearing that up.

@Remi : are you the person who eats bytes and nibbles and bits of this websites and regurgitates them in meaningful ways? If so, what about creating a countdown page for the release of Return to Monkey Island? We could share it with other monkeys on the Internet and make the website analytics gauges skyrocket to infinity. We can create a countdown precise to the second, because the Steam release date has a time attached to it: 19 September 2022 – 16:00:00 UTC [Source] I apologize if you are not the official digital regurgitator, I'm new here. In this case, could you please pass this idea to those who have the power to carefully evaluate it and make it real regardless of their assessment? Thank you very much.

Is captain lechimp a chimp? He looks like a gorilla but he could just work out a lot.

Ideally there should be no spoilers in titles as that defeats the point of having spoiler and non-spoiler threads. We can edit spoilers if they do appear, but not control what people post in the first place!

Authoritative Word on the Matter of BOX ART for the purposes of this thread, by N. G. P. Vainamoinen Steve Purcell is wholly incapable of painting box art for a Monkey Island game without any monkeys on it. We've known that for some time. In Rex' key art for ReMI, the lack of monkeys with pirate hats, eye patches, peg legs, pipes, swords, or sai is frankly disgusting. Come to think of it, has it occurred to y'all how we're seeing all sorts of animals in the Return to Monkey Island teasers, trailers and screenshots, but never once a proper monkey? Guys, I'm telling you, ReMI will be about bringing the monkeys back. These special cover/poster/key art Purcell monkeys are of course not represented in the game, but we have to ask ourselves whether the none-embellished ones on the TSoMI and LCR covers actually are. I think the TSoMI BA monkey could be one of the Jojos, even though his/her eyes are woefully unblue. But no way is the monkey to the left of the LCR BA the Jojo in the game (he's not nearly stiff enough). In the case of Escape from Monkey Island, the playstation cover doesn't throw off our count because infinite plus ten equals infinite. So with a certain prejudice I'd say there's no monkey that's not in the game on the TSoMI box, two new monkeys on the LCR box, one unseen monkey in the ToMI key art and whogivesashit in the Escape artwork you're showing (which I have seen for the first time, thank you for that). The rules state that the live monkey heads counted has to be IN THE GAME. Box art isn't. So Box Art doesn't count. Funny, I should have made that the first point, but here we are.

Well, in the opening post he clearly said “monkey head shown in the game” But according to that Escape box Elaine also looks she’s on a lot of acid! So…

Yes, I really would like a spoiler-free place to hang out and discuss about Return to Monkey Island! While I want to steer clear of spoilers, I would also like to discover/discuss non-gameplay topics while playing it, like how the game was received, if the developers said something interesting and generally if something has happened about the game that can be shared without affecting my playthrough how do I put here that emoticon oh here it is. 😐

I hope it "confuses"

I really didn't want to introduce any obscure rules here, it just seems fair to me that three monkey brains are counted as three monkeys. 😬

Hey! Just wanted to say that I hear your frustration, and I didn‘t mean to downplay your (and my) concerns about the ugly side of internet society (unsure if this description is a summary of the issue but I am no wordsmith and I think you know what I mean). I am sharing most of the emotions you have, and rereading my comments I realize I poked a nerve which wasn‘t necessary or funny.

Maybe not back then. But looking at this thread this may be one of more important reasons in the future. Another proof that EMI clearly was ahead of its time. 🤯 (This is so great! 🍿😬)

The correct answer to the poll doesn't even appear among the poll options. 🧐 The Monkey Island game that has the smallest number of monkey is the demo of "The Secret of Monkey Island" (in "Passport to Adventure"). It has zero monkeys! Unless you find a MI game with a negative number of monkeys, I'll assume I've won. 🤓

Anyone notice that the official website for Return to Monkey Island and the Steam pre-order page no longer say that the game "concludes" or is the "conclusion" to the entire series? Just before July, the website still touted the upcoming game as wrapping up the saga. And now both the website and Steam simply say it "continues" the series. Is this because Ron and Dave want to downplay the significance of this being their planned finale for Monkey Island? Are more chapters already in the works based off the positive development of this one? ¬ ¬ Apologies if this has been asked and debated already, I am very lazy and could only manage typing this up before a nap.

We know apes aren't included... but what about chimps? Are there actually any chimps in the Caribbean? And would you spot it if one appeared?

I'll move on after this because we're getting way off topic, just wanted to say I 1000% respect and understand your reasons for staying away from Steam and hope I didn't come off as trying to argue/dismiss them; I was just explaining my own aversion to patronizing GOG given a series of decisions over a period of years that soured me on their public-facing image. (Also, AFAIK Steam didn't pull Devotion outside of China--Red Candle pulled it themselves to edit out the "offending material" and then, for reasons that I've never seen made public, it never went back up. Assuming there was some behind-the-scenes stuff that was never disclosed which may well have come from Valve, but all we can do is speculate.) Anyway. I have a Switch so that seems like a good place to play the game.

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Older, far less wiser, and irritable about *everything* now! ¬ _¬

My case:

Let's ... give other forumites the opportunity to keep some cans of worms tightly shut. I'm trying to keep this short, but I will fail. 🥴

It’s a voodoo shop after all. Who’s telling you that it isn’t? 🤨

I vote for conquistadores

I always had quite a bit of lag when I connected my MacBook to my TV (for MI1) - or I had to mess around with the settings for so long that it just looked ugly. And for me, it's no fun at all even with the slightest lag. But that probably depends on the TV, as someone pointed out here. I keep my fingers crossed that it works fine for you.

Let's just hope this is still a Monkey Island game, when it releases... 👀 Joke aside, I would like to see it "answer" some questions (especially regarding the MI2 ending) and ask a lot of new questions - no matter if there are more games or not. I for one am now pretty relaxed with sequels to the point that a sequel can't ruin anything for me anymore. If it's good and an enrichment for the series, great! If not, the other games (or whatever) still remain to enjoy and discuss. 🙂 Whatever the ending in ReMI is... there's always a way to continue a story if you want to.

Would it sound completely off-topic if I say that I'll play it on the PC? It will be probably on the bigger monitor, but before that I'll try to screencast it to the living room TV, hoping to minimize the lag.

This is the only interpretation that makes sense, and again, I implore you all to refrain from making ridiculous claims that my MI2 vote is in any way responsible for my saying so.

They've developed their platform 14 years ago, back when we really had no clue what power a disgruntled (non-)customer really has, and how destructive to social media the mere downvote is. That was the good old time when games were mostly sold in boxes from brick and mortar stores, when 'freespeechy' wasn't an insult, and Leigh Alexander had not yet spoken the immortal words about creating or curating a culture in your spaces. GOG has recently removed downvotes from their forums, so they've finally seen the error of their ways, but I don't think that right now they even have the budget to rectify the review situation. They have a whole system set up with a verified owners rating, an all reviews rating, and a "combined score" that means jack shit because a few positive owners' ratings can not counteract a tide of review bombers who don't own the game. You remove a nail, the whole system collapses. From my perspective, Valve also has a history of looking the other way for the very same reasons GOG/CDPR did: They always tried to look like an advocate for the customer against the industry bigguns. Although that was always an obvious and a bit pathetic marketing ploy, it has worked out marvellously for Valve, what with the Lord Gaben and ambrosia from heaven sales memes. Glorification and even deification by the customer for a power hungry monopoly, I don't really see many other companies that achieved that besides maybe Apple back in Jobs times. I don't blame CDPR for trying to step in exactly those footsteps, obviously, but they never had the fanbase, the budget nor the developers to make it work. They should have reacted wayyyyy sooner to the rise of the shitstorm, but I think their options were always limited. They couldn't risk upsetting their customers. Valve eventually bowed to their business clients with sensible and solid safeguards against review bombing. I kind of dread the unavoidable shitstorm when GOG finally introduces those very elementary and extremely necessary culture war blow softeners. Valve eventually introduced those safeguards, GOG stuck to allowing everything because they couldn't risk upsetting their customers. But to be fair, Valve can dictate the market entirely on its own and won't have to ask their gazillion business clients when they introduce e.g. no questions asked refund policies, "bigger cut for higher sales" exclusivity fostering/competition squashing mechanisms, or continues sales to Russia. CDPR/GOG never had any of those options.

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Yea, I feel you.

I feel like until and unless it's contradicted by ReMI the only sporting thing is to accept at face value--for the purposes of the thread, of course--EMI's assertion that Jojo Sr. never left that totem pole. Elaine's wedding monkey must therefore be a different (more robustly-tailed) simian, and in no way should my apparently-irreversible vote for MI2 be seen as influencing this view.

I agree that the naming of the sprite doesn't really demonstrate narrative intent (although it would be fun if it did). It got me thinking though ... the dancing monkeys in the credit sequence of Revenge are very similar to the Jojo sprite from Secret. Is it the same sprite? Is it the same Monkey(s)? What if both of the dancing monkeys in Revenge are actually specific monkeys from Secret: the one who hangs on the idol's nose, and the one who dresses up as Elaine? What if THAT is the secret to Monkey Island?

So... is Tales in the lead with 1 monkey?

I don't think the game script should be used as a primary source on which money is which, because it only tells us about how they decided to program something, not about what the intent behind it was. In the MI2 intro do the two monkeys use the same named sprite? If so, by the logic of using the script, they are the same monkey, somehow in two places at once

Objection! This is madness! The debate is about the least number of monkeys, NOT monkey heads. As per the terms of engagement in this debate set by @Vainamoinen, monkey heads should be used to confirm the presence of a monkey, but note that a monkey can be confirmed by one or more live heads: Since this clearly establishes that a single monkey can have multiple heads, and therefore, the Three Headed Monkey counts as a single monkey. Since it clarifies that the head must be live to count, the Giant Monkey Head may not be counted. Otherwise, we would also have to include the Mad Monkey: (which I only now realize is meant to be one of the flying monkeys from The Wizard of Oz) Therefore! There are between three and five monkeys in Secret: -Smirk's training monkey -The Monkey Island monkey (Jojo) -The Three-headed monkey (three heads, one monkey) ?-The fake bride monkey that looks like Smirk's ?-The fake bride monkey that looks like Jojo I don't know if it's possible to determine whether the fake bride monkeys are meant to be the same monkeys from Guybrush's earlier adventures, or whether they are separate monkey of the same species. It seems reasonable that Smirk's monkey is the same, since it was already on Melee Island, but I'm not convinced about the Jojo lookalike. In any case, if there are only three monkeys in Secret, then it is tied with Revenge for the least number of monkeys ...

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10 year old me: Monkeys? Shut up and take my (parents) money!!! 20 year old me: A lynchian exploration of human relationships through the perspective of an amateur finding his footing in adult life? Sounds most enjoyable. 30 year old me: Monkeys? Shut up and take my money!!!

Do some of you wish there were a wider, louder controversy against Steam and its release practices? So that maybe now, instead of pressure related to character sprites, there could be pressure to release RMI via GOG, or physical copies, or some other method where consumers owned the game directly? EDIT: It's just that I've seen fans who are SO hyped about this game, so excited, so overjoyed... they've sometimes "waited 30 years for it"... and they're not getting it. They won't do Steam on principle, and they don't have a Switch. Meanwhile, there're people like me. A bitter, frothing, often loud hater who hasn't been waiting for anything since 2009, more apprehensive about where the franchise is going than I've ever been - and here I am preordered, ready to buy on day one, just because of system circumstances. Isn't that kind of backwards?

Lovely topic as usual, but please hide ReMI things in a spoiler box k thx bye!

"Most pirates call it Hell." The Secret of Monkey Island is that you need at least one Jojo to access the hellgate. Jojos are the true key to the hellgate. Jojos scattered at key points to tear the fabric itself. Jojos to unlock, channel, and animate the living hell-golem of metal and steam. A horde of Jojo slaves operating the hellgate as itcturns living souls to undead skeletons, some Jojos periodically visible in the upper right window (only a tail is in this image). Jojos to open the gateway to crossroads, connecting the planes of reality and making possible the shattering of that barrier with fantasy. Jojos. Are. The. Key. To. Hell. Now. Can we just get confirmation that, apart from Murray, these other skulls are from monkeys named Jojo?

Are you saying echo chambers don't exist? Or that the world hasn't become polarised? Or that people don't demonise those that are seen as the opposite to them? We're ALL guilty of either doing these things or being affected by them. What I said doesn't just happen online... I've just seen it get worse since the internet became a core part of our lives. People are stuck in their own echo chambers... on BOTH sides of any debate. You can zoom all the way out to a big topic like Trump, or all the way down to something (relatively) insignificant like ReMI's graphics... How many of the most nasty vocal people in the Lucas Fans world are convinced they're representing the vast majority? Every one I've engaged with has told me that "everyone" agrees with them... that "everyone" hates ReMI's graphics. That's always their first point of defence. And even after I show them a statistically significant poll where only 2% are actually upset with the graphics, they try to explain it away. ("The wrong people answered" was one response I was told). And that's literally cognitive bias -- you believe evidence that supports your view, and ignore any evidence that doesn't. Again, it's human nature to do this -- everyone is guilty of it in some way, but I feel people are less willing to listen (and quicker to judge) than ever (And no, I'm not being guilty of the same thing by saying all this.) I have vivid memories of it all (I saw The Phantom Menace on a trip to New York on my 21st birthday). I feel this sort of thing happens every other week these days, whereas the magnitude of the backlash in 1999 was a rarer thing.

OBJECTION! There are AT LEAST 5 named monkeys in the franchise--Jojo (MI1), unrelated Jojo (MI2), Jojo Jr. (EMI), Timmy (EMI), and Jacques (TMI). The series' JPI (Jojo Percentage Index) has just dropped from 75% to 60%, and I have a feeling it may drop further!

Luckily, they are preserved and you can download the original versions of the games.

All i know is that out of the 4 named monkeys in the franchise, 3 of them are called jojo

This proves nothing. 90% of monkeys in the caribbean are called jojo

Objection! Please take a look at these two excerpts from the "Monkey Head" script and the "Church" script. Both clearly refer to the monkey as Jojo! EXCERPT FROM THE MONKEY HEAD SCRIPT: (...) script jojo-open-gate { cut-scene { class-of nose-up is UNTOUCHABLE sleep-for 1 second stop-script jojo-follow walk selected-actor to 699,126 walk jojo to-object nose-up wait-for-actor selected-actor do-animation selected-actor turn-left break-here 2 wait-for-actor jojo (...) EXCERPT FROM THE CHURCH SCRIPT: (...) do-animation jojo turn-seductively-around break-here 11 sleep-for 1 second do-animation jojo eat-bouquet break-here 26 sleep-for 1 second do-animation jojo disrobe break-here 8 draw-object wedding-dress do-animation jojo jump-up-and-down sleep-for 1 second say-line selected-actor "What?" (...) How can Jojo hang at the totem and be in the church at the same time?

I love this thread.

Indeed. Disgraceful behaviour from anyone who considers themselves a fan in my opinion. It’s one thing to provide balanced feedback and maybe knock a bit off, but rampant one-star bombing is nothing short of nasty. I mean heck, we all disliked Guybrush’s hair in the special edition so much we created custom patches for it, not to mention the numerous poor art execution — but I wouldn’t dream of trying to destroy its saleability and effectively end interest in developing the franchise.