Shem Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 A-Rod has used steroids: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090207&content_id=3806844&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb Yes, these revelations continue to beat a dead horse, but still we do have the right to know since they are public figures and it's good for the voters to know who vote for the Hall of Fame and it's good to know why the voters wouldn't vote for him. Anyway, here are some key elements of that article. Rodriguez's name appeared on a list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball's 2003 survey testing, according to a report on SI.com. That testing was conducted as part of a joint agreement with the MLB Players Association to determine if MLB needed to impose random drug testing for the '04 season. When approached by SI on Thursday at a gym in Miami, Rodriguez declined to discuss his 2003 test results. "You'll have to talk to the union," Rodriguez said. When asked if there was an explanation for his positive test, he said, "I'm not saying anything." That response to me is coming from a guilty man in my opinion. While MLB's drug policy has expressly prohibited the use of steroids without a valid prescription since 1991, there were no penalties for a positive test in 2003. The list of the 104 players who tested positive remains under seal in California.If people want this to go away for good, these names need to get out in the open. Enough of this politics and "shush shush" stuff. If this is going to be resolved soon, this has to be revealed. The SI.com report also indicated, citing three Major League players, that Rodriguez was tipped by MLBPA chief operating officer Gene Orza in early September 2004 that he would be tested later that month. Rodriguez declined to respond to SI when asked about the warning Orza allegedly provided him.Again, a statement from a guilty man and I'm not surprised this happened. When Orza was asked on Friday in the union's New York City office about the tipping allegations, he told SI, "I'm not interested in discussing this information with you."Another guilty man statement. "I've never felt overmatched on the baseball field," Rodriguez told CBS' Katie Couric in December 2007, shortly after the Mitchell Report's release. "I've always been a very strong, dominant position. And I felt that if I did my work as I've done since I was a rookie back in Seattle, I didn't have a problem competing at any level. So, no, [i never was tempted]."All of a sudden now he's speechless when he's caught? He's just another cheater in my book. Jose Canseco's 2008 book, "Vindicated," also alleged that Rodriguez was introduced to a known steroids supplier identified as "Max" in the late 1990s. "I may not have seen [A-Rod] do the deed, but I set the whole thing up for him, just like he wanted. I saw the changes in his body in a short time. Hell, if you ask me, I did everything but inject the guy myself," Canseco said in the book. You know as much as I disrespect Canseco, he keeps getting more and more credibility with his statements. There was a time we thought it was a reach to believe Canseco, but you have to admit as much as he is a scumbag, he wasn't BS-ing us. I hate to admit it, but Canseco was the best thing to happen for MLB as he is the one who really got the steroid investigations going and he is the reason why the policies that are there today. This needed to happen and he was the one to open the door to it. His motives were selfish, but nevertheless, some good came from it. It has been yet another tumultuous period for Rodriguez. Last week, excerpts surfaced from Joe Torre's book "The Yankee Years," in which it is revealed Rodriguez was referred to as "A-Fraud" in the clubhouse during the 2004 season.It just seems the Yankee has become the soap opera of MLB hasn't it? Anyway, I'm not really that surprised as I was more on the side that it happened when Canseco revealed it happened a while back as he did earn some credibility for telling the truth about it in the first place. At the same time, you have to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Another damned Yankee out of the job. Huzzah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 You pay them millions of dollars to run around and catch balls for your enjoyment, and people are surprised that these guys take drugs to get bigger, entertain you more, and get -more- money? Maybe its because I have always found professional sports like football and baseball to be a stain on society, but I have never had much of a problem will people improving their bodies for the sake of doing their "job" better. "It takes the magic, fairness, and competitiveness out of the sport." These people don't play for the love of the sport. They play for the love of their Ferrari's and clay model wives. The honor and dignity went away with the multi-million dollar checks. When they play for a teacher's salary, then I'll respect the sports. I'll respect the sports when a hundred thousand dollars isn't put into the high school field instead of put into books, computers, etc. But hey, if people are willing to shovel money into their pockets then go right ahead. Just don't be surprised when the guy turns out to be juicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 A-Rod using 'roids? What a surprise. I think I'll have a heart attack and die from that surprise. [/iago the parrot comment] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 What Avery said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 haha, i never liked the guy anyway. heck, there's a reason why i don't like what baseball has become nowadays. its just a bunch of pansies that don't really enjoy their sport all that much. the almighty dollar is all they answer to, and that, IMHO, is a shame. good to see one of the biggest pansies in sports get busted, though. now if they could only add one of those salary cap things into MLB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 "It takes the magic, fairness, and competitiveness out of the sport." These people don't play for the love of the sport. They play for the love of their Ferrari's and clay model wives. The honor and dignity went away with the multi-million dollar checks. I think that's too much of a blanket statement, there definitely are those who are just in it for the money but these athletes also have to have a desire to play. I am very disappointed and actually surprised with this. Rodriguez was among my favorite baseball players because I thought that here is somebody showing that you don't need to cheat to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Too bad for him, whoever he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 let em use. who give a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Too bad for him, whoever he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I am very disappointed and actually surprised with this. Rodriguez was among my favorite baseball players because I thought that here is somebody showing that you don't need to cheat to be great. Word. Honestly, baseball is probably one of my favourite sports to play and watch. It's unfortunate that these type of things overshadow everything else. Especially when there are big names like A-Rod, Clemens, and obviously Mr. Barry Bonds. I used to like Bonds and A-Rod, and have always hated Clemens. But, now I just lose respect for these players because of this. Baseball is starting to become a tainted sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hee hee, people think sports are less real now than they've ever been. That's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I'd consider myself to be a fairly big baseball fan, and I don't really see the problem with the steroid issue. I don't really consider it cheating, so you can hit a ball further, maybe. I'd say that when they changed the balls to increase the number of homeruns and therefore "excitement" to re-gain fans I'd think that would skew things more than some dudes sticking needles in their butts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Y'know... I always thought you were an articulate type of guy, Shem. Good to see that my guesses about you are not far off. Before I begin my semi-satirical takeoff, I'd like to add some validity and oomf to your case, if you don't mind w.r.t. Performance enhancers or steroids. Folks I hate to dreg up such bad memories, but similarly we have seen much more disastrous results from uses of such things in the world of sports entertainment. Anybody remember when this happened? Not saying that A-Rod's case would have been the same, just giving perspective on how truly bad something like this can escalate to. --- Now to try lightening the mood... For emphasis (well, okay I grew up watching the simpsons so I get a kick out of it too--gimmie a break) Ah, good times. You pay them millions of dollars to run around and catch balls for your enjoyment, and people are surprised that these guys take drugs to get bigger, entertain you more, and get -more- money? Uhuhuhuh, you said balls. Huhuhuhuhuh. Mmmmmoney! MONEY!!! MONEY!!!!! Heheh-heh-heh. No I am not surprised, frankly. let em use. who give a **** I dunno. It's his balls that will shrink. Uhh, like, I may only be of average strength and stuff, but like, at least I don't screw around with my nads. Hee hee, people think sports are less real now than they've ever been. That's funny. Ah the double, or maybe even triple irony--excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shem Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Here is a video about this on the reporter who questioned A-Rod about his steroid use: http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200902073807806 You will see videos next to this one in the web page with all kinds information about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Not that there was really any doubt about whether this was true or not, but Rodriguez admitted to steroid use from 2000-2003 last evening: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/sports/baseball/10rodriguez.html?_r=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 In case my hyperlinked question above decides to whack out on me again and not work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_double_murder_and_suicide Yeah...this kind of thing is not something to be taken lightly. I know this is a commonplace practice/occurance, but still...This is not a good thing. While I want to say it is fine to "do it if you want, go ahead screw up your own life"...given what occurred with Chris Benoit and why... I cannot in all honesty say I'm okay with that anymore. Not with that on conscience. Am I overreacting? Exaggerating? Somebody please feel free to tell me. Yay or nay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredi Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Another damned Yankee out of the job. Huzzah. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 ^^^ Yeah, I did, too. Good one, PX. An MLB player testing positive for steriods. Shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Baseball is my all time favorite sport, that being said... I can't say that I am really all that surprised. A-Rod was a good player but IMHO his performance has been declining (or many its just him not being liked by his fans )) and perhaps he realized that and that possibly could have been the motivation behind him taking steroids. A-Rod used to be one of my favorite ball players, but ever since he joined the Yankees...sorry, but I really think that the Yankees suck. If you live in the US of A and don't know who Alex Rodriguez is...it is a shame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 What's so important about this whole steroid hype anyway? Considering how much baseball players are overpaid, many would trade more than a reputation to do all that. Why were people so excited when Mark Mcguire hit the most homeruns in a season, but are complaining when they hear about this? You want steroid use banned, then the best thing would be to not give baseball players any incentive to improve their performance. Make these hall of fame, records, and everything else worth a dime a dozen and no one would be interested in getting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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