Overrated Garbage

[DeadYorick]

Rather like the fans she has christened Fandalorians, Ms. Traviss seemed to have a hard time accepting any criticism of her works, even going so far as to name them ‘Talifans’. But I suppose that's alright, they are Jedi fans, after all, so they’re evil, end of story.

 

I'd expect that sort of thing from a newbie fanfic writer, or Stephanie Meyer

[Liverandbacon]

Quite.

 

I think the whole 3d gimmick itself is 'overrated garbage'.

 

^This, so very much this.

 

Also, Avatar bothered me because its plot was so awful even the shiny couldn't distract me. Considering the smurfs had abandoned the place that had all the unobtainum (I think I just felt one of my brain cells die) and moved to that other tree without any value to the humans, it really would have ended more like this:

 

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Of course, this is coming from someone who was on the humans' side the entire movie, and was annoyed that their chosen diplomat decided that getting some giant blue alien tail was more important than actually, you know, attempting diplomacy.

 

More overrated things (I'm ignoring the "garbage" part of the title here. A few of these things I actually am ok with, or even like, but aren't nearly as amazing as they're made out to be.):

 

The Metal Gear series, or more specifically, the plot. Convoluted=/=good.

 

Harry Potter

 

Bioware storytelling (I've enjoyed most of their games, but the stories are never especially original)

 

Megan Fox. Aside from lack of any acting ability, which everyone acknowledges, IMO she really isn't that attractive. Trashy looking, plastic, and toethumbs, oh god toethumbs.

 

Fight Club (the film, as I haven't read the book). It's a good movie, but not nearly as good as people claim it is.

[DeadYorick]

Bioware storytelling (I've enjoyed most of their games, but the stories are never especially original)

 

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3872-bioware/

 

This I think will catch your interest. It shows all the patterns Bioware has made in their characters.

 

There's also this one for plot

 

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It also fails to mention Bioware loves to use Macguffins now

[Salzella]

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3872-bioware/

 

This I think will catch your interest. It shows all the patterns Bioware has made in their characters.

 

There's also this one for plot

 

http://img189.imageshack.us/i/bwcliches.png/

 

It also fails to mention Bioware loves to use Macguffins now

 

If it ain't broke...

[VeniVidiVicous]

All the Marvel films that have come out in the past 10 years.

 

They're all bad imo. I remember watching Spiderman TAS and the X-Men cartoons when I was a kid and the films just didn't come close for me.

Iron Man 1 & 2 were no exceptions for me either, they were also pretty bad.

 

I also thought Avatar was "extremely" overrated. I watched it free online and I still managed to feel cheated.

[Astrotoy7]

I watched it free online and I still managed to feel cheated.

 

lolz... If there is anything to be appreciated about that film, it's the visuals. Watching it in that context, what else do you expect to get out of it other than disappointment?

 

mtfbwya

[VeniVidiVicous]

lolz... If there is anything to be appreciated about that film, it's the visuals. Watching it in that context, what else do you expect to get out of it other than disappointment?

 

I'm sorry but the plot was so unoriginal it was painful.

 

No amount of fancy visuals would have made this film better for me.

[Pho3nix]

Simple is good sometimes.

[Astrotoy7]

I'm sorry but the plot was so unoriginal it was painful.

 

No amount of fancy visuals would have made this film better for me.

 

I dare you to find anything that is truly original. Key dramatic themes were being rehashed by Ancient dramatists, modern film makers hence are increasingly relying on spectacle or a convoluted context+presentation(eg. Inception) to impress audiences.

 

Avatar is hardly my favourite film, but it was never meant to be a dramatic masterpiece - watching it expecting anything other than a visual spectacle is wishful thinking.

 

You want originality, good script writing, go get this! Better yet, try catch a performance of it

 

mtfbwya

[DeadYorick]

I dare you to find anything that is truly original.

 

Its not so much originality that is the question, it's what they do with the ideas. Like fleshing out the characters or making the setting more realistic/over the top. There are always ways to make an idea your own, and I don't think anyone saw that with Avatar. They saw a film that had a 20 year old plotline.

[Darth InSidious]

If it ain't broke...

 

But is is broken, so very very broken.

[Alexrd]

Avatar

Steam

Revan

Marvel

Apple

Karen Traviss

PlayStation

Mario

Obama (Overrated, but not "garbage")

Comunism

Left-wing

Anime

"Twilight vampire"-like movies

"Twilight vampire"-like novels

 

I guess that's it. I'll add more if I remember...

[DeadYorick]

Avatar

Revan

Anime

"Twilight vampire"-like movies

"Twilight vampire"-like novels

 

I guess that's it. I'll add more if I remember...

 

I have to agree with these. Revan is extremely overrated, Twilight is also overrated.

 

If you dislike Twilight you might like this film.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlrL3LzjlDo

 

But I have to disagree that Communism is "Overrated". Sure it is now but bare in mind to the fear back in the 20th century. Marxism was on the rise and Russia had become a Super Power rivaling the United States. Everyone was fearing Nuclear War. Now Communism is Taboo and everyone associates anything Socialism with it. Left Wing media like South Park I only deem overrated because of how explicit it is with the message. In a TV show such as Beavis and Butthead their social commentary was just worked into a joke, not made an entire episode devoted to it.

 

Would you rather have Penn and Teller, on the air, or Fox News?

[Darth333]

I dare you to find anything that is truly original. Key dramatic themes were being rehashed by Ancient dramatists, modern film makers hence are increasingly relying on spectacle or a convoluted context+presentation(eg. Inception) to impress audiences.

It's not so much about originality (the theme has been reused many times but even a not so original story can become interesting if it is well developed) but here the characters (the smurfs, the smurfette and Gargamel and his stupid followers ) were just caricatures of typical action movie stereotypes (who are themselves caricatures of other stereotypes), the dialogs and the story were there just as an excuse to present the visuals and the whole thing was stretched over 2.5 hours for no reason other than to present an orgy of visual effects (again)...and they just announced a long version as the initial one wasn't long enough It would have been an ok 60 minutes film for the tech aspect but more than that was just painful to me :argh:

[Lynk Former]

What D3 said.

[Drunkside]

ehhh... just depends on what you get, but modern equipment is less prone to breaking, allows for higher gain at lower volumes, etc, etc. also, dunno if you've ever done acid, but him being able to play in that state really speaks to his comfort level and connection to his instrument imo

 

Jimi Hendrix is not overrated IMHO, People say "well Joe Satriani is better than Hendrix" technically yes, but he started playing because of jimi... to quote a friend of mine: you cannot IMHO successfully argue that any have had a greater impact upon the development of the instrument's role in popular music than Hendrix had. He changed the face of what was possible with the instrument, what the vocabulary could include, what could be explored and accomplished, the role of a lead guitar, what rhythm guitar could do, etc.

 

* Innovation. Jimi was one of the first to achieve some of today's standby techniques, including use of feedback as a musical note.

* Songwriting. Even by modern standards, Jimi's songwriting is impressive. It incorporates blues, jazz, and rock in innovative ways - music theory-wise, his songs are an incredibly rich tapestry.

* Tone. It may seem like a small thing, but as a guitar player myself, I know the pain of getting the perfect tone to compliment your music - yet Jimi seems to pull it off with ease. Even today, his guitar tones are some of the most sought-out in history.

 

Just look at this video, see the comfort and grace he has with the Guitar, its an extension of his very being>>

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@Det. Bart Lasiter It might also tell a story of him being a frequent user

 

@adamqd The video doesnt really do the trick, he might be "at home" there in front of the huge crowd but thats exactly what his playing sounds like too, its like he doesnt pay any attention to what he is doing. I dont deny his skills, as i already said, but the kind of religious following he has is just too much.

 

And thanks for reminding, the next overrated musician im going to name is Joe Satriani. And Steve Vai as well, they are just self-absorbed pricks who think their stuff is cool because its weird for the sake of weirdness. And they are also rather boring soloists, well Steve Vai did some pretty cool licks and the like in one concert i watched on TV a few months ago...

 

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3872-bioware/

 

This I think will catch your interest. It shows all the patterns Bioware has made in their characters.

 

There's also this one for plot

 

http://img189.imageshack.us/i/bwcliches.png/

 

It also fails to mention Bioware loves to use Macguffins now

 

Its kinda funny, though its also a rather harsh simplification of the characters in the games. Surely there are a lot of similar characters in bioware´s games (carth/kaidan/the whiny little bastard in DA whose name i cant remember being the most clearly based on one character idea) but there are other types as well like the frog guy in ME2 (goddamn im bad with names right now : ).

[Astor]

Console Wars.

 

Or more specifically, Xbox 360 vs PS3 arguments. Ultimately futile, utterly childish (although I must admit a long time ago I wasn't above wading into them), and they never, ever, end well.

[DeadYorick]

Its kinda funny, though its also a rather harsh simplification of the characters in the games. Surely there are a lot of similar characters in bioware´s games (carth/kaidan/the whiny little bastard in DA whose name i cant remember being the most clearly based on one character idea) but there are other types as well like the frog guy in ME2 (goddamn im bad with names right now : ).

 

-Alistair

-Thane

 

They just like to point out Bioware reuses a lot of the same character archetypes. But my problem with Thane wasn't that he was a good character or not. But why would you need an assassin for a suicide mission against a bunch of aliens? In fact most of the party members of ME2 didn't make sense, and it sounded like more of a hook to get people interested.

 

Console Wars.

 

Or more specifically, Xbox 360 vs PS3 arguments. Ultimately futile, utterly childish (although I must admit a long time ago I wasn't above wading into them), and they never, ever, end well.

 

I liken the Internet to High School, mostly because almost everything I see on it, I saw there. I do remember console wars being very common with the gaming population, specifically early teenagers.

[mimartin]

Overrated Garbage: Bashing BioWare constantly… It has almost become a contact sport it is done so often for the most mundane reasons. Oh the characters are all the same, oh the stories are all similar, oh it isn’t really a RPG… If you don’t like it don’t play it. From all the negative feedback to their games you would think that BioWare was the most hated game developer out there on the verge of going out of business. Yet, their games seem to sale rather well.

 

I use to think their game sold well because they made a decent game. Now I’m convinced they sale well because the BioWare haters are all buying them so that they have a reason to complain and whine.

[Ping]

Modern-day shooters: Sorry folks, but I just can't get into the shooters they make nowadays, with a few exceptions. It focuses on multiplayer to the point that there's sometimes never a mode to play by yourself. And if it is single-player, like Halo....it's amazingly boring.

[DeadYorick]

I use to think their game sold well because they made a decent game. Now I’m convinced they sale well because the BioWare haters are all buying them so that they have a reason to complain and whine.

 

People dislike things that are popular, controversy sells.

 

A big reason why Grand Theft Auto sells is because of the amount of politicians bashing it.

 

But, nothing is above criticism. As long as the internet is a medium to express doubt toward something, people will speak their opinions. I find it a little odd you would call a certain opinion "overrated" simply because it expresses doubt toward the quality of a product. I enjoyed Bioware's recent games, such as Mass Effect or it's sequel. But I did find things I disliked about them, along with noticing patterns Bioware makes with it's storylines.

 

Modern-day shooters: Sorry folks, but I just can't get into the shooters they make nowadays, with a few exceptions. It focuses on multiplayer to the point that there's sometimes never a mode to play by yourself. And if it is single-player, like Halo....it's amazingly boring.

 

I remember back in the 90's when every shooter was like Doom.

 

Developers emulate what is popular. Just like films emulate what previous good films did before them. Future shooters are going to emulate Modern Warfare 2's fast paced "leveling up" style of multiplayer, and spend less time on singleplayer.

 

Though things will inevitably change back the other way from multiplayer to singleplayer. All that can't be predicted is the time it will take.

[Drunkside]

-Alistair

-Thane

 

They just like to point out Bioware reuses a lot of the same character archetypes. But my problem with Thane wasn't that he was a good character or not. But why would you need an assassin for a suicide mission against a bunch of aliens? In fact most of the party members of ME2 didn't make sense, and it sounded like more of a hook to get people interested.

 

I always just thought the characters in mass effect 2 are the best military/semi military personnel in the galaxy that agree to go on a crazy suicide mission. The one that didnt make any sense was (again, the names are elusive) the bounty hunter guy. Why would a selfish bastard like him go on a random mission that most likely ends up with him killed just for money? He can get cash from killing animal rights activists for evil space warlords ffs

[Achilles]

Overrated Garbage: Bashing BioWare constantly… It has almost become a contact sport it is done so often for the most mundane reasons.

I suspect that if you replaced "video games" with some other medium and "Bioware" with the name of a company in that industry that receives heaps of praise for churning out that doesn't live up to its hype. I feel like this should almost go without saying in a thread discussing that which is overrated.

 

How many examples of popular movies that made a ton of money, but thin on story? Books? Popular music with crappy lyrics, etc? Why should video games or video game developers be excluded?

 

Oh the characters are all the same, oh the stories are all similar, oh it isn’t really a RPG… If you don’t like it don’t play it.

This is sound advice.

 

However people that care about games tend to get irked when mediocre ones are praised (again, same things goes for music, movies, etc). I'm not sure how "if you don't like it, don't play it" addresses that bit o' human nature.

 

From all the negative feedback to their games you would think that BioWare was the most hated game developer out there on the verge of going out of business. Yet, their games seem to sale rather well.

Michael Bay has never won an Oscar, yet his movies take in hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

Uwe Boll is almost universally panned as one of the worst directors in the history of film, yet his project keep getting green-lit.

 

Yes, Virginia, people really do give a lot of money to pretty, fun things that lack substance.

 

I use to think their game sold well because they made a decent game. Now I’m convinced they sale well because the BioWare haters are all buying them so that they have a reason to complain and whine.

hehe, that could be.

 

Though is suspect that it's actually more like I said in a previous post: they know their audience well.

[Alexrd]

But I have to disagree that Communism is "Overrated". Sure it is now but bare in mind to the fear back in the 20th century. Marxism was on the rise and Russia had become a Super Power rivaling the United States. Everyone was fearing Nuclear War. Now Communism is Taboo and everyone associates anything Socialism with it.

 

Not in Portugal. Heck, they even have a seat in the Parliament, here.

 

Would you rather have Penn and Teller, on the air, or Fox News?

 

Do I have to choose?

[DeadYorick]

I always just thought the characters in mass effect 2 are the best military/semi military personnel in the galaxy that agree to go on a crazy suicide mission.

 

If they are the "best military/semi military personnel in the galaxy" what use would an assassin be? Thane isn't supposed to see active combat, he's supposed to use stealth and kill a single target for money. Yet what Bioware projects this as is using him as a combat ready soldier archetype that uses guns in a firefight and biotics.

 

If anything Kasumi's use of tactical cloak was much more like an "Assassination" technique, and she was a thief.