Negative Sun Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Pfftsh. This many words. Heat vision to face from orbit. Fight over. QFE, Superman for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman is the greater superhero. There is NOTHING about Superman's attributes that make him remotely interesting. I did see that last Superman movie and I couldn't stand how even he had to cheat in order to save the day! Kryptomite is his only weakness and anyone clever enough to use it deserves to dispose of him. If the Hero always wins, then there's no point in watching the outcome if you know that he can't die. Batman is a mortal, but he was always more interesting as a Billionaire than some geeky **** working for a newspaper. I also liked Iron Man for that. Not only does Wayne have resources, but he has greater training than Superman to make him more deadly than an invincible juggernaut. If Batman had Superman's abilities, no force could stop him. If Superman can't die, there is nothing interesting about that. I favor agility and training over brute strength any day. And I like a troubled Billionaire more than a nobody as the alias anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman. On the coolness factor, no questions. Batman is cooler in every way in my opinion. Indeed. Why the hell would they fight anyway? Ain't they both good and in that stupid 'Justice League' thing. True. Who is my favourite superhero; Batman. Who's the cooler out of Batman and Superman; easily Batman. Who would win in a fight? Superman. QFT. My thoughts exactly. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 If the Hero always wins, then there's no point in watching the outcome if you know that he can't die. Lolz, and Batman always loses? You just basically destroyed the whole concept of comic books...If the hero would lose, it ends the comic/movie there and then, so what's the point in that? Superman's vulnerable to things other than Kryptonite as well, just like Batman, he cares for those around him and will do anything to protect them, he struggles with his own morality and dark side sometimes too, and he struggles with the responsibilities of his powers often as well, power corrupts so it's an eternal struggle to stay on the right path... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meowster Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman for me. Don't know much about Superman save the recent movie, but I thought he was boring. -shrug- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCarter426 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Returns isn't a very good representation of Superman. As for me, I like them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trex Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Came accross this yesterday and thought people might be interested. It's a top 50 comic book characters by empire magazine (a big entertainment mag over here in the UK). Guess who first and second position is between: http://www.empireonline.com/50greatestcomiccharacters/ Personally, I'm just glad to see Jesse Custer get so high (11). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman for me. Don't know much about Superman save the recent movie, but I thought he was boring. -shrug- He lifted about a million tons' worth of kryptomite into orbit! Lifting a million tons would seem too extreme as it is, but kryptomite?! It would be like Batman dying and then rising from the dead as if nothing happened. Superman LOST in the last movie because he could not have won in the manner he had. That's one more reason to hate Superman... because even while invincible, he still almost dies on many occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Superman turns evil. Batman punches him in the face until he's dead. + Superman marries Lois Lane then Doomsday kills him. + Superman turns evil again and Batman kills him. + Lather, rinse, repeat. = Batman > * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 I've always favored Batman over Superman since he is more "realistic". Spider-man is still my fave super hero, way cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman is a mortal, but he was always more interesting as a Billionaire than some geeky **** working for a newspaper. I also liked Iron Man for that. Not only does Wayne have resources, but he has greater training than Superman to make him more deadly than an invincible juggernaut. If Batman had Superman's abilities, no force could stop him. If anything, Superman is more vulnerable than Batman. Batman is a darker, more vindictive character; he has little to no qualms about killing a criminal rather than capturing them. He wouldn't hesitate to kill a killer if the opportunity presented itself as an expedient way to stop him. Superman, however, is a much more moral man. He would sooner let a criminal go and catch them later rather than kill them. Villains are often able to learn who he cares about the most (aka Lois Lane) and capture them - or even random innocents, and use his compassion against him. You can't do that to Batman. And to me, Superman was always more interesting because he had the unique trait of desperately wanting to be normal. All he ever wanted was a normal job, and a normal life. But his general compassion and goodness won out. As for Clark Kent being a "geeky ****", you've clearly never seen the TV show from the 90's starring Dean Cain. He takes Clark Kent and sexes him up like no one else ever could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman rarely if ever kills anyone, he just beats them to a pulp and delivers them to Commissioner Gordon. That was what Batman meant when he said he only has one rule, and this is how Batman is in the comics as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman rarely if ever kills anyone, he just beats them to a pulp and delivers them to Commissioner Gordon. That was what Batman meant when he said he only has one rule, and this is how Batman is in the comics as well. QFT. We know Batman like TNT knows drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus Q'ol Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Apples and oranges I say! Impossible to compare the two. Superman is an alien who was forced to come here. I'm sure if he were to have his choice, here would be the last place he would have gone. Let us just be glad that Jor-El wasn't a homicidal maniac and didn't teach his all-powerful son to conquer and rule our planet. Can you imagine an invincible, power-lusting, ego maniac Superman bent on world domination and human sacrifice? Could get ugly. Batman, on the other hand has serious issues upstairs. The man is living an extreme double life and doesn't seem to be remotely bothered by it. Oo-ooh... Sooner or later his worlds are gonna collide and what a sight that'll be when that happens. Either he'll forget himself and roll into a dinner party on the Batcycle accidentally killing innocent valets or due to lack of sleep, leap off a skyscraper in his pajamas and blankee. The Dark Knight has always fascinated me as a comic character. I think it is his vunerability and mortality. He chooses to be close to danger for the sake of others but, requires no recognition for his actions. Superman does what he does out of duty for his father and compassion for the humans that he looks after, sort of like pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Superman does what he does out of duty for his father and compassion for the humans that he looks after' date=' sort of like pets.[/quote'] That's probably one of the best Superman analogies I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 If anything, Superman is more vulnerable than Batman. Batman is a darker, more vindictive character; he has little to no qualms about killing a criminal rather than capturing them. He wouldn't hesitate to kill a killer if the opportunity presented itself as an expedient way to stop him. Superman, however, is a much more moral man. He would sooner let a criminal go and catch them later rather than kill them. Villains are often able to learn who he cares about the most (aka Lois Lane) and capture them - or even random innocents, and use his compassion against him. You can't do that to Batman. And to me, Superman was always more interesting because he had the unique trait of desperately wanting to be normal. All he ever wanted was a normal job, and a normal life. But his general compassion and goodness won out. As for Clark Kent being a "geeky ****", you've clearly never seen the TV show from the 90's starring Dean Cain. He takes Clark Kent and sexes him up like no one else ever could. It's easy to take in a criminal if he can't hurt you. Batman doesn't kill petty thugs who are easy to take out and restrain. Superman CAN take out a criminal without killing him at no risk to himself. Batman is mortal, but even he doesn't kill just because it's easier. There is nothing special about an invincible juggernaut who can take 30 mm shots without harm where Batman would have the skills to avoid the cannon fire. Batman uses his brain and skills where Superman just has brute strength and invincibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Superman, at the core, is a talentless hack that's been serendipitously blessed with an absurd amount of power. His main tactics in vanquishing supervillians involve beat downs and heat vision. Very little intellect, guile, and perception is needed in his occupation - just lots of muscle and the willpower to get things done. Hell, it's not exactly like he deals with geniuses in Metropolis - no one, not even Lex Luther, seems to have enough of a facial memory to realize that Clark Kent looks like Superman with bloody bifocals. Batman can easily trump Superman in the intellectual gauntlet. World class education ranging from Ivy League professors to Tibetan monks. A technological aptitude that allows him to effortlessly use all inventions Wayne Corporation can develop. A mind that has, over the years, developed to a keen awareness of the inner motivations and workings of criminal masterminds, networks, and lunatics of the highest degree. Hell, Batman would probably just sprinkle a bit of Kryptonite powder into Superman's morning eggs as a poignant and decisive pre-emptive strike against the Man of Steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 I hate the idea that Superman has become an American icon. Although that may be like the way we think... raw power over finesse. If the United States wanted to make an image of themselves to the rest of the world through a comic book, come up with something that you could look up to. I think higher of a character that transcends their limitations instead of having limitations restricted. How many evil, superstrong monsters fall from space and require a hero like superman to beat? Superman is more supernatural and fantasy while Batman corresponds more to science fiction. The same goes true with Daredevil, Spiderman, and green archer... they are tough guys, but fight more... believable foes. How exactly does he posses all that power? Really... how? Answer: Complete and utter fantasy w/no logic at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Batman is mortal, but even he doesn't kill just because it's easier. But remember, Batman abhors killing if possible - he hates guns, and he's only killed when he's had no alternative. I hate the idea that Superman has become an American icon.[/Quote] I don't like it either, but he was created in the 30s, where patriotism was all the rage across the world - and in a post-depression world, in a country hard hit, a little bit of escapism went a long way. Unfortunately, they didn't try to drop that or adapt him for newer times - he's still the same over 70 years on. DC had toned it down a bit, but when Lex Luthor became President, he went right back to all-out American hero, I think. As an aside, if you want to see alternative takes on Superman, check out Superman: Red Son, and Superman: True Brit to see what he could have been like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 As an aside, if you want to see alternative takes on Superman, check out Superman: Red Son, and Superman: True Brit to see what he could have been like. Red Son is amazing. Superman, at the core, is a talentless hack that's been serendipitously blessed with an absurd amount of power. His main tactics in vanquishing supervillians involve beat downs and heat vision. Very little intellect, guile, and perception is needed in his occupation - just lots of muscle and the willpower to get things done. Hell, it's not exactly like he deals with geniuses in Metropolis - no one, not even Lex Luther, seems to have enough of a facial memory to realize that Clark Kent looks like Superman with bloody bifocals. First, "Bifocals" is a term used for glasses with correction for either myopia, hypermetropia and/or astigmatism, but with a second part in it to correct presbyopia as well...don't hurt yourself and just say "glasses" m'kay So Superman's powers mean that he's a dumb oaf that just likes to slug criminals? He didn't study all of his father's crystals to learn sh**loads about pretty much everything? He's an investigative journalist for one of the biggest newspapers ever, but you make him sound like Cletus the inbred farm owner...Well done! Batman can easily trump Superman in the intellectual gauntlet. World class education ranging from Ivy League professors to Tibetan monks. A technological aptitude that allows him to effortlessly use all inventions Wayne Corporation can develop. A mind that has, over the years, developed to a keen awareness of the inner motivations and workings of criminal masterminds, networks, and lunatics of the highest degree. See above, so is Superman. Hell, Batman would probably just sprinkle a bit of Kryptonite powder into Superman's morning eggs as a poignant and decisive pre-emptive strike against the Man of Steel. Superman would sneeze in Batman's cave to blow it into orbit, before he has his eggs Krypto-Free the next morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravnas Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Meh, X-Men is better in my book than either of these superheroes. The thing about Superman is that while the major iterations of his character(excluding the films) have all been faithful to his character, the original material was never great. Batman, on the other hand, has had a good amount of fantastic stuff, but also a ton of crap, and Batman And Robin is the reason they made the first X-Men film anyways:D(Though it has aged horribly) So I guess I pick Batman, simply because of Batman Begins,The Dark Knight,the tv series, and the comics when The Joker was a homicidal maniac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 First, "Bifocals" is a term used for glasses with correction for either myopia, hypermetropia and/or astigmatism, but with a second part in it to correct presbyopia as well...don't hurt yourself and just say "glasses" m'kay I realized that beforehand, and while bifocals didn't exactly fit I figured alliteration trumps accuracy. So Superman's powers mean that he's a dumb oaf that just likes to slug criminals? He didn't study all of his father's crystals to learn sh**loads about pretty much everything? He's an investigative journalist for one of the biggest newspapers ever, but you make him sound like Cletus the inbred farm owner...Well done! It isn't hard to be an investigative journalist when the juiciest stories out there usually involve you. See above, so is Superman. He probably gleaned information from his dead world's mementos, but I doubt he ever developed any sort of analytical skill from doing so. Superman would sneeze in Batman's cave to blow it into orbit, before he has his eggs Krypto-Free the next morning Hence proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Actually, Batman NEVER kills intentionally. Whenever anyone has died, it's been accidental, unpreventable, or a self-inflicted wound. It's his 'One Rule'. Much as I disagree with that sentiment (If he actually killed his enemies instead of sending them back to the Cardboard Asylum, a lot of Gotham's problems would be solved.) you can't really set it aside. Superman never kills either. At any rate, I loathe Superman with a fierce and burning passion, from his hair to his toes to his abilities to his stupid name. He's strong enough to punch a guy hard enough to fling him through six skyscrapers in a row, and that's when he's at a LOWER state of power and he's not punching reality or rebuilding the Great Wall of China by eyesight. Batman is a man. A billionaire with access to the most advanced technology the world has ever seen along with martial arts training that borders on the unbelievable, but still a human. He's got weaknesses beyond getting Green Rocks shoved in his face. He's got a psychology beyond being the power of the Boy Scouts of America combined like some kind of (even more) bizarre version of Captain Planet. Also, Batman can kill anyone in the world if you give him twenty-four hours to prepare, and he can kill ANYTHING if you give him at least a month. And he's prepared for nearly every contingency short of Zombie Abraham Lincoln with an AK-47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Also, Batman can kill anyone in the world if you give him twenty-four hours to prepare, and he can kill ANYTHING if you give him at least a month. And he's prepared for nearly every consistency short of Zombie Abraham Lincoln with an AK-47. That's why more criminals in the DC universe are afraid of him than Superman. Heck, even the Justice League was so afraid of him Zatanna blitzed his memory. At least you can count on Superman to come charging in, not holding back. But the Bat... anything could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Yuthura Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 That's why more criminals in the DC universe are afraid of him than Superman. Heck, even the Justice League was so afraid of him Zatanna blitzed his memory. At least you can count on Superman to come charging in, not holding back. But the Bat... anything could happen. Yes. Batman is unpredictable. Anyone could kill Superman if they had a chunk of kyptomite and expect him to come charging in. Problem is there's not enough kryptomite to meet demand. If there were, Superman would have met his end long ago. Batman uses intuition and skills to get the job done, yet he risks his life when trying to capture... not kill a criminal. Superman really seems to have no limitations, but when he comes across one... god help him because he couldn't help himself. If he couldn't restrain a bad guy, doesn't Superman kill him because the guy was too dangerous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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