Det. Bart Lasiter Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 @thread: Wow, so many haters, and not one liker. I thought Ahto was.. bigger... than this... I mean, there has to be some people who like it... Statistics demand it. even the actor who plays edward hates the books and thinks stephenie meyer is insane. When I read it ... I was convinced that Stephenie was convinced that she was Bella, and ... it was like it was a book that wasn't supposed to be published, like reading her — her sort of sexual fantasy about some — especially when she says that it was based on a dream, and it's like, "Oh, then I had a dream about this really sexy guy" and she just writes this book about it, and there's some things about Edward that are just so specific that ... I was just convinced that this woman is mad, she's completely mad, and she's in love with her own fictional creation. And I sometimes ... feel uncomfortable reading this thing, and I think a lot of people feel the same way, that it's kind of voyeuristic ... It creates this sick pleasure in a lot of ways. "When you read the book," says Pattinson, looking appropriately pallid and interesting even without makeup, "it's like, 'Edward Cullen was so beautiful I creamed myself.' I mean, every line is like that. He's the most ridiculous person who's so amazing at everything. I think a lot of actors tried to play that aspect. I just couldn't do that. And the more I read the script, the more I hated this guy, so that's how I played him, as a manic-depressive who hates himself. Plus, he's a 108-year-old virgin so he's obviously got some issues there." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 @thread: Wow, so many haters, and not one liker. I thought Ahto was.. bigger... than this... I mean, there has to be some people who like it... Statistics demand it. Maybe there are, but are afraid reveal themselves because the It crowd are on the Bitching Bandwagon. You did ask for opinions, and I don't see any bandwagons here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 even the actor who plays edward hates the books and thinks stephenie meyer is insane. Oho! Now that is classic! That's going to break so many insanely "Twihard" fans' hearts. Stephanie Meyer actually didn't intend to publish it at all. It was because of her sister's goading that she decided to try get it published. Lucky break for her. Sauce on quotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Only with a gun to my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 But hell, 85 million copies of the books sold in 5 years must mean something, right? Porn sells in numbers bigger than that, doesn't mean the story or acting are good. Sparkly vampires, horny teenagers, non-werewolf werewolves. These things are just good angles to sell bad merchandise, it's how Harlequin romance novels survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Oho! Now that is classic! That's going to break so many insanely "Twihard" fans' hearts. Stephanie Meyer actually didn't intend to publish it at all. It was because of her sister's goading that she decided to try get it published. Lucky break for her. Sauce on quotes? the quotes are links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endorenna Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Okay, I haven't read the books. I'll just say that first. My entire exposure to the Twilight stuff is from a) the movie b) what little my sister has told me about them c) and what I've read about them on the internet. The whole romance sounds...rather contrived. Bella goes for Edward, even after he dumps her, and she completely ignores the werewolf guy (who seemed a lot more likeable than Edward in the movie). Besides that, after only knowing Edward for a short time, Bella's willing to give up her entire life to become a vampire and be with him forever. PS: I have no problem with Edward being a virgin (in fact, I think that's his one likeable quality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Go watch Top Gun, Jeff I would submit that Top Gun is a much better movie...and I haven't seen either Twilight film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 Okay, I haven't read the books. I'll just say that first. My entire exposure to the Twilight stuff is from a) the movie b) what little my sister has told me about them c) and what I've read about them on the internet. The whole romance sounds...rather contrived. Bella goes for Edward, even after he dumps her, and she completely ignores the werewolf guy (who seemed a lot more likeable than Edward in the movie). Besides that, after only knowing Edward for a short time, Bella's willing to give up her entire life to become a vampire and be with him forever. Firstly.. how old is your sister? Secondly, it is already established that the first movie is secondary to the first book. Thirdly and mainly, I'll say what you might have thought i would say: give the novel a shot, and find out for yourself. Second-hand opinions are fun and all, but its up to you if you'll have a good time or not, which is the main point of the whole thing - to have fun. I had heard good things about it, i heard some people hated it, but when i read it i was able to form an objective opinion about it because i read it alone. I was completely free to make up my own mind; i was ready to like, dislike, love, or hate it, and i was pleasantly surprised. I suppose the only thing one would be afraid of losing in a gamble such as this was time, and yes, it is a price to pay, but when something gets huge coverage, a squillion awards, and readers like Barack Obama and Kelly Clarkson, theres a good chance that it'll be worth your time. Basically im saying youv'e just got to let yourself like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taak Farst Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 im sidin with lord jesus, i loved new moon, and hav the first film on dvd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endorenna Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Firstly.. how old is your sister? She's 23 (she read the books when she was 21...or 22...not sure ). Secondly, it is already established that the first movie is secondary to the first book. (shrug) Okay. I'd never heard that one was supposed to be superior to the other. Thirdly and mainly, I'll say what you might have thought i would say: give the novel a shot, and find out for yourself. Second-hand opinions are fun and all, but its up to you if you'll have a good time or not, which is the main point of the whole thing - to have fun. Ah, I might give 'em a shot. I seriously doubt I'll like them, 'cuz I'm already pretty biased against them (thanks to every paraphrase/review/good and bad opinion I've ever read/heard), but I'll read 'em. When my sister comes home. If she still has them. If nothing else, it'll be a nice change of pace after those four Star Wars books. Every one of them was terrible. >_< I had heard good things about it, i heard some people hated it, but when i read it i was able to form an objective opinion about it because i read it alone. I was completely free to make up my own mind; i was ready to like, dislike, love, or hate it, and i was pleasantly surprised. I suppose the only thing one would be afraid of losing in a gamble such as this was time, and yes, it is a price to pay, but when something gets huge coverage, a squillion awards, and readers like Barack Obama and Kelly Clarkson, theres a good chance that it'll be worth your time. Awards/readers mean nothing to me. Basically im saying youv'e just got to let yourself like it. Me? Like something? Bah! Humbug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quanon Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 That doesn't surprise me >_> I won't watched this movie as its obviously not aimed at my group. I also read some reviews in the magazines lingering about the house and they're not that positive. Plus after reading this thread I'm convinced its not my cup of tea. I won't go trashing it, happened enough. I'll go watch some Underworld, to see some Vamps and Wherewolves. They're lame movies as well, but it reminds me of Vamp Masquerade from WhiteWolf. Infact it's quiete a rip off. >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 im sidin with lord jesus, i loved new moon, and hav the first film on dvd Yeah? Yeah! i'm standin' over with him. She's 23 (she read the books when she was 21...or 22...not sure ). Oh, lol i read your earlier post wrong: i thought you said "what my little sister said". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtas Vadum Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I'll go watch some Underworld, to see some Vamps and Wherewolves. They're lame movies as well, but it reminds me of Vamp Masquerade from WhiteWolf. Infact it's quiete a rip off. >_< As good as VtM is, saying any movie or the like concerning Werewolves, Vampires and the like, seems to say that White Wolf were the first to have the idea for all supernatural stuff. Sure, Underworld has similarities to Masquerade, but there are differences. But more on topic, I've read the books and watched the first movie, and probably will watch the rest. Mainly just because I like Vampires, though I don't like this interpretation much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 The best thing to happen to this movie would be for all interest in it to DIE. With FIRE. NAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Blade needs to teach these vamps how to be true bloodsuckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endorenna Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Oh, lol i read your earlier post wrong: i thought you said "what my little sister said". I don't even have a little sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I don't really have much clue nor a care about this series but considering thumbs down opinions of those I respect who've posted here...can't say I bemoan never really having heard much of it. Though I hear there was a porno parody of Twilight recently released. Hey, porn makes fun of everything else, why not this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 4. there are 4 books. Doh! Yes, you are correct. No idea why I said 3... I think most of us humans are. (Shallow, that is ) Can't really argue that, but the sheer popularity of this makes me think that the pool may be a little more shallow than I originally assumed. Or that, at least, girls can and are just as shallow as many of the guys I had no intention of reading Twilight. It was through accidental circumstances that i read it, and found i liked it. I've heard of Terry Pratchett, and even thought of reading some long before i heard of Twilight. One of my guy friends likes it for the same reason. Wanted to read it just to see what the hype was about and ended up just enjoying it. I asked him for an answer and he doesn't really have much else to say other than that the few plot points in the book made it bearable. But to be honest, the animosity in your post is sort of putting me off... Trust me, you are not as put off as I am on the topic of this book. I'm not a hunter of romance media. I just have no qualms against it when i come across it, unlike some people who react in a rather childish "Ew! Cooties!" way. Not dissing you for liking romance or anything. ...So Carlisle and Esme are also perverted? I think you miss my point. Bella was 17. He is over 100. Regardless of vamperic affinity, class, or anything else it doesn't change the fact that it is just creepy, especially for a lot of the context of their relationship. The fact he still hangs out around High Schools is weird enough. You also must realize that almost all the vampire chicks his age have no intention of fighting their urges and literally are bloodthirsty monsters. Bella may not be "bloodthirsty", but she is in no more control of her urges as any of the Vampires. She tries to kill herself multiple times to get a rush, begs him for sex, begs him to turn her into a vampire, and cannot function without him. I'd say that Bella also has zero control over her urges. I think the fact that he's 100 is ok is because of the author's concept of her brand of vampire immortality. People act differently when they're older. Experience has a lot to do with it, but i think it a also has something to do with physical changes in their brain too. This kind of immortality "freezes" them forever in one state, and while they may change quite a bit due to experience, their mentally affecting physiology is still whatever age they were frozen at. And that makes sense in that context. It is fitting with a lot of other vampire lore. However, is he truly just "stuck" at that age? Again, he has almost zero ability to communicate with women at the start, didn't date, or anything else. He just hung out at High Schools all the time. Even if he is "stuck" in that mental age, that really just reinforces my thought that he's just an immature jerk. While I understand being halted to some degree, I find it hard to swallow that maturity is something that grows and is not earned. There are plenty of children younger than Bella who are far more mature than Edward is. It makes his character that much more unlikable and untranslatable. But really, its just a reason to transport a Jane Austin kind of man into the modern world. A caliber of man that has all but died out. So no wonder women swoon over him: how many men today are that civilized? Not many. Not me, either, but i intend to be. Because, lets face it, men: women are the most wonderful creatures on God's green Earth. So why not treat them like it? (unless of course, the woman in question finds it offensive for some convoluted reason. in that case, the appropriate response is to honor her wishes) Well said. But, I disagree with Edward fitting thing description. Why? Because he stalked her, admits to having a hard time relating to her, does not fully comprehend her emotions, "Abuses" her, let her get that attached and, in the end, the only real reason he was so obsessed with her was because she smelled -really- good to him. I don't really think he was that civilized in the end. He was immature and naive, and it is really the cute naivety that makes him appealing. I'd also agree with you about his high character if most of the books and Bella had not be really so obsessed about his looks. His lack of maturity, empathy, and so on make him less of a character and more of a very pretty cardboard cutout. Essentially a pin-up poster for girls. hn... That's... strange. I didn't and wouldn't know about that, so I'll trust you on it. Yeah, its strange but common. It is my leading theory on why Edward is so popular, as age is sort of a forbidden fruit among girls. Edward, being both young and of age is like a fantasy come true. Its just too bad he doesn't come with the maturity of age, though. Don't get me wrong, he has a good idea of when to break it off and such but he did basically seduce a 17 year old because he couldn't fully control his urges. "Abusive..."? Well, i havn't finished reading the series, but could you explain this? (unless it involves any spoilers, in which case just inform me of that only ) Its... complicated. It isn't physical abuse as much as it is mental. He allows her to get that close, breaks her heart a few times, seems to employ almost no thought on how his existence is just ruining her, and is essentially inadvertently destroying her life. This is, in the end, a lot of Bella's fault but Edward is just not thinking things through, especially when it starts getting into the problems of Bella interacting with other characters. It is an odd kind of abuse between the two, but Edward's age and experience around High School girls should have taught him more than enough by now. And, if he cannot get a feel for human society than... well, he shouldn't be hanging around teenage humans now should he? You claim that it's merely because of the physical, but i think its more than that. I think its the way he treats Bella, the way he cares for her above all else, his gentle behavior and the way he's so chivalrous. Such a person is very rare to find nowadays. I wanted to see what was there, and if i could learn anything form it. Personally, I always saw Edward as being intensely selfish with Bella. I thought he was quite possessive of her, and did not truly take her feelings or life seriously. For the first 3 books he seems to have no full desire to turn her into a Vampire at all... which means he was literally just using her for his enjoyment until she went away or died. Not exactly a lasting love. Yes, yes you are. But i'm not crazy about Twilight or anything, so i don't hate you at all for it or anything. But really, its just an entertainment IP. Why get so worked up/bitter about it? Its big now, but it'll just fade away from the spotlight like all the other worldwide phenomenons, with a fanbase still attached to it. Like Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings, for example. The very thought causes me to feel bad. It really does. As you said, 85 million in just a few years. Star Wars and Star Trek at least had a few role models. If anything, I believe that, as a male, you may be actually getting more out of it than the girls. Trust me when I say that every girl I have questioned on the subject admits that its really just Edward being a stone sparkle god that gets them into it. You, like my friend, are finding character in something that I really don't think deserves it. It would be one thing if this was just one of the girl novels on the shelf; its quite another when its this big and kicking sand on a genre I used to like a lot. Maybe there are, but are afraid reveal themselves because the It crowd are on the Bitching Bandwagon. The guys outnumber the girls, and of the girls I've seen on this forum not a lot of them seem like Twilight girls. You are, I'm afraid, of the minority of guys whom are actual Twilight fans. This is a side effect of Twilight, again, basically being soft-core porn for girls. My hate for Twilight is a hatred of the story/characters, but also of the female fanbase and how this particular type of story telling is just bad for my brain. It is, as robert pattinson said, basically voyeurism and I am no more comfortable reading or watching the Twilight stories as I am with watching a sex scene in a movie, or reading it in a book. I stopped watching Anime and Reading most Manga and Comics for the same reason. I don't need to be told in a ten paragraph essay why Edward's abs are so pantie melting hot in Twilight, and I don't need pantie shots, exaggerated breasts, and super perfect, long haired dolls in anime/comics. Its all overdone fan service, and it isn't my cup of tea. But, again, you are reading the books from quite a different perspective (and gender no less) so you're taking away something else entirely. And, on that note... Everybody should watch this: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1924837 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mur'phon Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Knew a guy who was tricked into seeing the first one by some "friends", they said it was a horror movie, and to him it certainly was. Anyway Twilight seems to be a usefull phenomenon in that it makes it easier to know which people are worth knowing, and which ones should be avoided for the sake of ones sanity. @: Avery: Nice to see you aren't dead, just curious why did you read/see the books/films? Was it just to rip it appart or had it more to do with wanting to understand the insanity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkstrong16 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I'm a girl, I've read all 3, and found all 3 to be offensive, brainless fodder designed to make a certain part of the female anatomy happy. Characters are shallow to say the least. Bella is an outright offensive and degrading female role model whom would seemingly kill herself if she couldn't spend every waking moment with an abusive pedophile (She is 17 and he is over 100; He's a pedophile) virgin sex god. Show spoiler (hidden content - requires Javascript to show) She gains the ability to give birth to a baby that literally rips her hip in half due to its super strength and her own pathetic vamperic abilities. Its a shame she didn't die in child birth... or when she had sex with Edward, as he apparently had enough strength to nearly kill her while doing so... Yeah, not even going to comment on that. All it means is that it was overhyped, and that a great many teenage girls and even older women are shallow twits. Here is what I want you to do: I want you to take your special edition. Ok, now I want you to burn it. Still with me? Ok, now go buy some Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams books. Try to find the DiskWorld stuff if you can. Take those books in. Absorb them. You may feel bad about your Twilight book at first, but know that you're destroying what essentially amounts to a book about Battered Wife Syndrome. If you must have some romance novels, you'll actually find better romance plots in many animes... which speaks for how awful Twilight truly is. There was no first movie. The entire thing was Edward and Bella looking into each other's eye... and Bella biting her lip a LOT (an acting issue the actress has carried in all of her movies). The only actual plot occured in the last like, 20 minutes... just like how the only plot came to be in the last few chapters of the book. Sorry, but if I'm going to read meaningless drivel for 90% of a book I'll go read something made by Ayn Rand. And I have nothing against guys who like romance novels. I do, however, have a problem with the Twilight series being called a romance series. It is, if anything, an almost entirely one-sided Battered Wife Syndrome "romance" with Bella going head over heals for a Pedophile man who, despite being over 100, still hangs out at high schools. You can make the argument that he's immortal and all that jazz, but that doesn't change the fact that she is still originally 17. And that there are plenty of vampire chicks his age. And that, despite being a sex god and hanging out at high schools for 100 years... he's still a virgin who has never dated and has absolutely no idea how to talk nor interact with a girl. The story could have just been about two High School sweethearts going out on dates. Hell, you could have just given him super powers. The fact that there is such an age difference, and such an unbelievable lack of ignorance on his side despite being over 100... It can really only be assumed that this is, in its entirety, a fetish pandering book for girls who dream about older men, but with the safety of a younger guy (Trust me, its a fantasy of a -lot- of girls to be with their teachers or similar older figures). The cherry ontop of all of this is the fact that Edward is also just a pretty face. Under the pretty sparkles he is an abusive, ignorant jerk. He's just pretty, and girls love him really only because of this. Edward, within these 3 books, could have raped Bella outright and I still think it would have sold just as well. Its that shallow, and its designed to be that shallow. It is basically the equivalent of Harem stories for guys. Ditsy, submissive girls all too willing to take their clothes off for the lone, pathetic guy. Its fan service, and fan service sells really well. Bella is pretty much hated by most of the fanbase, but she conveys the feeling of all the girls watching this very clearly: they all want to have sex with Edward, and they want it very, very badly. I've read and seen romance stories pan out that have had me crying for hours. The only thing I felt while reading these books and finishing them was shame. To this day I still have no idea why a straight guy would enjoy these books at all. There is no romance, plot, or anything resembling contemporary books within this series. It is 90% Edward's shining abs, and little else. The pages are just designed to give girls something to do on a lonely night or shower. If you aren't interested in Edward... why would you touch them? I'm probably being insulting, but I'm legitimately baffled by your enjoyment of the books. What do you see in them? What keeps you coming back for more? What do you like about the characters? The basic female response is "because he is a man steak". I'll be interested in your response. even the actor who plays edward hates the books and thinks stephenie meyer is insane. That is awesome.. My Girlfriend needs to read this The best thing to happen to this movie would be for all interest in it to DIE. With FIRE. NAO. QFT Doh! Yes, you are correct. No idea why I said 3... Can't really argue that, but the sheer popularity of this makes me think that the pool may be a little more shallow than I originally assumed. Or that, at least, girls can and are just as shallow as many of the guys One of my guy friends likes it for the same reason. Wanted to read it just to see what the hype was about and ended up just enjoying it. I asked him for an answer and he doesn't really have much else to say other than that the few plot points in the book made it bearable. Trust me, you are not as put off as I am on the topic of this book. Not dissing you for liking romance or anything. I think you miss my point. Bella was 17. He is over 100. Regardless of vamperic affinity, class, or anything else it doesn't change the fact that it is just creepy, especially for a lot of the context of their relationship. The fact he still hangs out around High Schools is weird enough. Bella may not be "bloodthirsty", but she is in no more control of her urges as any of the Vampires. She tries to kill herself multiple times to get a rush, begs him for sex, begs him to turn her into a vampire, and cannot function without him. I'd say that Bella also has zero control over her urges. And that makes sense in that context. It is fitting with a lot of other vampire lore. However, is he truly just "stuck" at that age? Again, he has almost zero ability to communicate with women at the start, didn't date, or anything else. He just hung out at High Schools all the time. Even if he is "stuck" in that mental age, that really just reinforces my thought that he's just an immature jerk. While I understand being halted to some degree, I find it hard to swallow that maturity is something that grows and is not earned. There are plenty of children younger than Bella who are far more mature than Edward is. It makes his character that much more unlikable and untranslatable. Well said. But, I disagree with Edward fitting thing description. Why? Because he stalked her, admits to having a hard time relating to her, does not fully comprehend her emotions, "Abuses" her, let her get that attached and, in the end, the only real reason he was so obsessed with her was because she smelled -really- good to him. I don't really think he was that civilized in the end. He was immature and naive, and it is really the cute naivety that makes him appealing. I'd also agree with you about his high character if most of the books and Bella had not be really so obsessed about his looks. His lack of maturity, empathy, and so on make him less of a character and more of a very pretty cardboard cutout. Essentially a pin-up poster for girls. Yeah, its strange but common. It is my leading theory on why Edward is so popular, as age is sort of a forbidden fruit among girls. Edward, being both young and of age is like a fantasy come true. Its just too bad he doesn't come with the maturity of age, though. Don't get me wrong, he has a good idea of when to break it off and such but he did basically seduce a 17 year old because he couldn't fully control his urges. Its... complicated. It isn't physical abuse as much as it is mental. He allows her to get that close, breaks her heart a few times, seems to employ almost no thought on how his existence is just ruining her, and is essentially inadvertently destroying her life. This is, in the end, a lot of Bella's fault but Edward is just not thinking things through, especially when it starts getting into the problems of Bella interacting with other characters. It is an odd kind of abuse between the two, but Edward's age and experience around High School girls should have taught him more than enough by now. And, if he cannot get a feel for human society than... well, he shouldn't be hanging around teenage humans now should he? Personally, I always saw Edward as being intensely selfish with Bella. I thought he was quite possessive of her, and did not truly take her feelings or life seriously. For the first 3 books he seems to have no full desire to turn her into a Vampire at all... which means he was literally just using her for his enjoyment until she went away or died. Not exactly a lasting love. The very thought causes me to feel bad. It really does. As you said, 85 million in just a few years. Star Wars and Star Trek at least had a few role models. If anything, I believe that, as a male, you may be actually getting more out of it than the girls. Trust me when I say that every girl I have questioned on the subject admits that its really just Edward being a stone sparkle god that gets them into it. You, like my friend, are finding character in something that I really don't think deserves it. It would be one thing if this was just one of the girl novels on the shelf; its quite another when its this big and kicking sand on a genre I used to like a lot. The guys outnumber the girls, and of the girls I've seen on this forum not a lot of them seem like Twilight girls. You are, I'm afraid, of the minority of guys whom are actual Twilight fans. This is a side effect of Twilight, again, basically being soft-core porn for girls. My hate for Twilight is a hatred of the story/characters, but also of the female fanbase and how this particular type of story telling is just bad for my brain. It is, as robert pattinson said, basically voyeurism and I am no more comfortable reading or watching the Twilight stories as I am with watching a sex scene in a movie, or reading it in a book. I stopped watching Anime and Reading most Manga and Comics for the same reason. I don't need to be told in a ten paragraph essay why Edward's abs are so pantie melting hot in Twilight, and I don't need pantie shots, exaggerated breasts, and super perfect, long haired dolls in anime/comics. Its all overdone fan service, and it isn't my cup of tea. But, again, you are reading the books from quite a different perspective (and gender no less) so you're taking away something else entirely. And, on that note... Everybody should watch this: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1924837 @ True_Avery: Would it be wrong to say I love you? lol. Because that just made my freaking day! I'm gonna have my Girlfriend read this thread.. In fact I have a long list of people that need to read this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 The Spoony One (Noah Antwiler) says that the Twilight series is horrendous, and I see no reason to disbelieve him. I will never willingly watch any of these movies without the Rifftrack commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 @: Avery: Nice to see you aren't dead' date='[/quote'] Not dead, but not kicking either. just curious why did you read/see the books/films? Was it just to rip it appart or had it more to do with wanting to understand the insanity? All of the above. I had heard a few fantastic rants on the books and felt I needed to get in on this. I have not actually seen much of the movies. Was not really paying attention to the first. I've been told they are of even poorer quality than the books, and that thought disturbs me. The Spoony One (Noah Antwiler) says that the Twilight series is horrendous, and I see no reason to disbelieve him. This. EDIT: Speaking of Spoony: http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/2009/11/22/vlog-11-22-09-new-moon/ "And ANOTHER thing… You know, the more I think about Bella, the more shocked and appalled I am at her behavior. Throughout the movies she displays a neediness and selfishness that verges on sociopathic, almost as if she can’t even begin to comprehend the feelings of others as she leaves misery and broken hearts in her wake– and not just of her potential paramours. Think about her father, Charlie, and all the melodrama he has to put up with. She regularly comes home battered, bruised, and beaten, but answers his honest concerns only with lies. She disappears into the woods, collapses from exhaustion and exposure, causing him to mobilize a town-wide search for her ****ing dead body, and returns with absolutely no explanation. Then she drops everything to flee to Italy for an indeterminate amount of time, and even the vampire Alice voices more concern for Charlie’s feelings than Bella does. Her hopeless, helpless, woe-is-****ing-me attitude veers beyond mere misogyny and becomes truly grotesque. Think about her friends and her mother, whose lives would be devastated if her suicidal thrill-seeking ended her life. Does she care? No, because she can’t see beyond her own needs, acting for months like a petulant child denied her favorite toy. When it becomes clear that becoming a vampire would call off the truce between the Cullens and the werewolves, does Bella care that her incessant demands to become a vampire would therefore put the Cullens (who she claims to care about) in constant, mortal danger? No. Does she care that people are dying, being torn apart by wolves, sucked dry by vengeful vampires, all because she doesn’t have the good sense to get away from undead monsters? No. Does she care that her dad, who dotes on her constantly (only God knows why) has to clean up after these bodies? No. Does she even spare a moment to consider Edward’s feelings against turning her into a monster like him? No. In fact, her desire to become a vampire is completely selfish as well. She’s worried about getting old, fat, and wrinkly like everyone else, and damn it, that’s not fair! Why should Edward stay young and dreamy for all eternity, and not ME? ME, ME, ME! Even once Edward has gone, I don’t think her pissy mood has as much to do with being alone as hating the thought that Edward could possibly be happy without her. Anyone who relates to this girl is incredibly disturbed and needs some serious mental help. Anyone who’s ever been in love has perhaps wrestled with the same feelings, the same neediness that Bella experiences in these movies, but good lord, it’s a high school crush. We got over it. We moved on. Sure, that first love and that first loss were hell, but we got a ****ing grip on our lives and moved on. You should never have to beg for love, and if you do, it ain’t love." Well said, Spoony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Doh! Yes, you are correct. No idea why I said 3... Maybe because the fourth one wasn't very good. In my opinion the first three books were good and the fourth wasnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 One of my guy friends likes it for the same reason. Wanted to read it just to see what the hype was about and ended up just enjoying it. I recently found out that quite a few guys like it, far more than i had thought. I think you miss my point. Bella was 17. He is over 100. Regardless of vamperic affinity, class, or anything else it doesn't change the fact that it is just creepy, especially for a lot of the context of their relationship. The fact he still hangs out around High Schools is weird enough. Ok, but i don't see how its pedophilia. He never had sexual tendencies for anyone, let alone for high school teenagers, and in the case of Bella, he was physically 17 and mentally, not much of an adult. When i say "mentally" i mean the defining factor to be his social development which i believe is just as frozen as his physical. Think about it: Though he went to high schools and the like, because of his secret, he never "hung out", never actually socialized with anyone. He's still his 1918 self, just equipped with modern knowledge. So what is pedophilia then? Is it physically older people having sexual tendencies toward younger people? Or is it mentally older people? The only difference between Edward and Bella is his intellectual development. (Which is explained in the books: while Jasper and Emmet had Alice and Rosalie to be "social" with all night long, Edward instead spent his time doing, well, everything. Learning languages, music, literature, etc; its the reason why he's so good at everything.) Bella may not be "bloodthirsty", but she is in no more control of her urges as any of the Vampires. She tries to kill herself multiple times to get a rush, begs him for sex, begs him to turn her into a vampire, and cannot function without him. I'd say that Bella also has zero control over her urges. I meant that other vampire chicks are just that: vampires. Remember, Edwards thinks himself monstrous and repulsive and hates himself because of that very fact, (that he has the urge to kill people) and i doubt he would think too well of vampires that just didnt care or even enjoyed it. About Bella: she is a very emotional girl. When i first read Twilight i thought "Goodness, are there *really* girls as emotional as this??". At first i though it was kind of cute, but later it was like "Oh, look. She's crying. Again." (FYI that thing i had for Bella has all but disappeared. I don't dislike her - she's just another character. I don't really have favorites, but it'd probably be Jacob and/or Carlisle.) Its... complicated. It isn't physical abuse as much as it is mental. He allows her to get that close, breaks her heart a few times, seems to employ almost no thought on how his existence is just ruining her, and is essentially inadvertently destroying her life. This is, in the end, a lot of Bella's fault but Edward is just not thinking things through, especially when it starts getting into the problems of Bella interacting with other characters. It is an odd kind of abuse between the two, but Edward's age and experience around High School girls should have taught him more than enough by now. And, if he cannot get a feel for human society than... well, he shouldn't be hanging around teenage humans now should he? As said above, he doesn't actually have any experience with high school girls. His lack of feel for human society would be just about the same as a reclusive/shy person that doesn't get out much. Does that mean they should stay away from society? No, it means that they should get into it. For the first 3 books he seems to have no full desire to turn her into a Vampire at all... which means he was literally just using her for his enjoyment until she went away or died. Not exactly a lasting love. Im pretty sure it was his personal demons on being a vampire (monster, in his words). That, and according to him, turning her would damn her soul. The guys outnumber the girls, and of the girls I've seen on this forum not a lot of them seem like Twilight girls. You are, I'm afraid, of the minority of guys whom are actual Twilight fans. Yep, that wasn't really hard to figure But i'm not ashamed of the fact at all. Its just an entertaining IP that'll go away soon enough. I was just hoping to find some here to join in the fun (world hysteria: always fun when your're going with it ) That is awesome.. My Girlfriend needs to read this ... If you're girlfriend is into Twilight, then if anything, you should be giving it a chance - to make her happy... Not being a jerk and dousing her enthusiasm. The best thing to happen to this movie would be for all interest in it to DIE. With FIRE. NAO. Heh, not a chance. New Moon smashed records as the biggest midnight opening in US box office history, The biggest single day opening, and the biggest opening weekend in US box office history, and 6th largest in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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